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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699285

I'm so totally crushed. PMMA seems to be the safest and well-tolerated of the thickening options. I don't have the funds to top up semi-permanent injections. I want something permanent. Sadly, I'm uncircumcised (and would never willingly get cut for anything) which is a barrier to getting anything over a 2cm gain. I wouldn't travel and pay for any less than that.

As if that wasn't bad enough, I've just now read that a penis prone to even moderate shrinkage can make someone a bad candidate. Mine turtles all the way in and has since childhood. Shrinkage is probably my worst problem.

This is all such a nightmare. I've been looking into the best penile thickening options since 2010 and thought I'd finally reached and end point to my search. I'm really devastated as my partner has also confirmed to me that she prefers the Girth of her dildo which is 3cm larger than me in circumference. It's all hopeless now.

Does anyone know of a permanent widening procedure that is suitable for uncut, shrinkage-prone guys?

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699286

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Excessive retraction can be helped with the application of botox, and you can still go through the PMMA GE procedure being uncircumcised, just be aware of the possibility of the accordion effect happening and that you might need a Circumcision if you do develop the accordion effect.
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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699287

My understanding is that uncut guys can get substantial gains, but with a larger number of smaller sessions. If retraction is an issue, you could spend some time on manual PE, which sometimes has the effect of increasing Flaccid hang. You're looking at a lot of time and discipline to achieve that, of course.

I'm very very skeptical of lig cut lengthening, because it rarely if ever produces substantial erect gains, but if all you need is to reduce retraction, maybe that could be an option.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699289

I don't want to sound insensitive but we can't have our cake and eat it too.

There was a time when acquiring any Girth was a risky proposition and complications were life-changing. I'm not saying you need to abandon your sentiments regarding Circumcision but you being "crushed" by the reasons you laid out is a bit dramatic, at best.

I probably turtle harder than you and have seen some benefits with fillers (Turtling still happens, but to a lesser degree). In conjunction with Botox, Alpha-blockers, and other methods, you can make things manageable.

If I had the same defeatist attitude, this forum wouldn't exist. Furthermore, if your partner isn't your significant other, you may want to also examine the toxicity of a relationship where your partner doesn't mind "preferring" inanimate objects to your love-tool... I say that respectfully, even if it isn't my business.
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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699291

Hey man, I have over 20 ccs in my penis.
The truth is, these procedures require risk man. If Girth was so important to you, youd consider the Circumcision. But you said it yourself you would never consider. So why are you complaining?

Truth is, these procedures arent easy. They are not just a simple inject in your PP and your an instant stud forever. They take sacrifices, but were men, sacrifices is what we do to become better men.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699299

Thanks for your comments everyone. The reason I say I'm "crushed" is because while I don't want to give up my Girth goals, my Foreskin is part of me and I live in a part of the world where literally nobody under 50 is cut, so it stands out. A lot. I understand Americans are used to it being the norm and probably can't see the big deal (and many even prefer it), but I've known two people under 50 who have been Circumcised and both have been given hell and suffer mentally for it. So to some people it looks like an easy choice - if I want the gains that bad then I should be willing to sacrifice my Foreskin, but then I see thousands of men on Foreskin restoration threads who are miserable (and even suicidal) wishing they had never been cut and how their lives are permanently ruined.

TLDR - I'm crushed because to me the thought of not having my Foreskin and the thought of not gaining Girth are equally painful, and I don't see myself ever being happy with myself or my life no matter what choice I make between the two.

Additionally, my concern with the retraction isn't that it will persist. I'm fine to live with a penis that turtles if I have to. Many men do. My problem is that the retraction would potentially cause the PMMA to migrate and cause all kinds of trouble for me. I'm from New Zealand but live in Hobart. It's not practical for me to fly to Mexico every time something went wrong.

Sadly, the issues faced by uncut men by risking PMMA also exist with FFT, Elist's implant and allo/Belladerm scaffolds.

With regard to my partner admitting she preferred a bigger size, she reluctantly confessed the information after I pryed it out of her when seeing how much better she physically and audibly reacted to it compared to with me. Dick move, I know. Not my proudest moment in our relationship but seeing that reaction when I've lived my whole life waiting for something like that to happen in front of me after living with size anxiety for decades prompted me to press for the confirmation that's what was going on.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699300

In terms of trying to minimise the retraction, I'm not a newbie to PE. While I wasn't aware botox was an option for that, I have spent the last 10 years using the Andropenis, the Jes extender, Male Edge & Bib Hanger device. I have gained 0.00cm in all that time. I followed all the instructions by the book and put in all the hours, having had the opportunity to so as someone who works from home designing websites.

I'm the 2% cohort that stretching/extenders won't work for.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699306

DarkMagician wrote: Thanks for your comments everyone. The reason I say I'm "crushed" is because while I don't want to give up my Girth goals, my Foreskin is part of me and I live in a part of the world where literally nobody under 50 is cut, so it stands out. A lot. I understand Americans are used to it being the norm and probably can't see the big deal (and many even prefer it), but I've known two people under 50 who have been Circumcised and both have been given hell and suffer mentally for it. So to some people it looks like an easy choice - if I want the gains that bad then I should be willing to sacrifice my Foreskin, but then I see thousands of men on Foreskin restoration threads who are miserable (and even suicidal) wishing they had never been cut and how their lives are permanently ruined.

TLDR - I'm crushed because to me the thought of not having my Foreskin and the thought of not gaining Girth are equally painful, and I don't see myself ever being happy with myself or my life no matter what choice I make between the two.

Additionally, my concern with the retraction isn't that it will persist. I'm fine to live with a penis that turtles if I have to. Many men do. My problem is that the retraction would potentially cause the PMMA to migrate and cause all kinds of trouble for me. I'm from New Zealand but live in Hobart. It's not practical for me to fly to Mexico every time something went wrong.

Sadly, the issues faced by uncut men by risking PMMA also exist with FFT, Elist's implant and allo/Belladerm scaffolds.

With regard to my partner admitting she preferred a bigger size, she reluctantly confessed the information after I pryed it out of her when seeing how much better she physically and audibly reacted to it compared to with me. Dick move, I know. Not my proudest moment in our relationship but seeing that reaction when I've lived my whole life waiting for something like that to happen in front of me after living with size anxiety for decades prompted me to press for the confirmation that's what was going on.


Are you telling us that virtually no one in Australia and New Zealand is circumcized? I know that Circumcision is certainly less common in Europe than in North America, but I was not aware that it was a scarlet letter in your region.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699307

Virtually nobody under 50. My father said it was about 50/50 when he was a child in the 1960s. I spent a lot of time in changing rooms as someone who was involved with swimming and surf lifesaving clubs throughout my childhood and teens/early 20s. I can probably count the amount of Circumcised people I've ever seen who weren't as old as my father on one hand in that time. It's just not a typical thing here. Over the past 10 years we've had a lot of immigration from Muslim-majority areas, so maybe now there's a bit more of a balance, but yeah, I am telling you virtually nobody I've ever seen naked that wasn't born after the 70s is Circumcised here. From what I've witnessed at least. My old man's generation seems to be the cut off, no pun intended.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699308

I'm going to make an unsupported assertion here, that most American women prefer a circumcized Dick. You could probably do it there and be just fine.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699309

According to my health insurance provider:

"Today, the procedure is performed less commonly in New Zealand (estimated at less than 10% of boys), mostly for social, cultural or religious reasons. It is generally agreed among medical professionals that, except in a few instances, there is no medical reason for routine Circumcision."

I'm actually surprised it's that high. I wonder if the rate has increased due to the mass immigration we've seen in NZ since I was growing up. From what I've seen personally I'd have guessed less that 2% of people were getting it done.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699310

I'm sure American women probably do because that's what they're used to over there. I don't plan on permanently relocating to the U.S though, so I won't be dealing with American women. I'll be dealing with women who are statistically unlikely to have seen a Circumcised penis before. Not only that, but the Circumcised men seeking restoration in the countless forums I'm a member of who were cut later in life say the glans becomes less sensitive to the inside of the vagina and masturbation requires constant lubrication that a Foreskin usually renders unnecessary.

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699311

DarkMagician wrote: I'm really devastated as my partner has also confirmed to me that she prefers the Girth of her dildo which is 3cm larger than me in circumference. It's all hopeless now.


My advice is never ask your girlfriend anything like that again. Humans are all animals. If given this question (and probably repeatedly by a boyfriend who has low confidence) a woman will eventually succumb and tell you that she prefers bigger. Guess what- we prefer different pussy too. Don't give her the choice to.say what she prefers. Have the upper hand in a rrlationship- win more money, stay healthy, try to look good, play around- yes,cheat. Have as many babies as you can with as many women who will give them to you (course,be able to support them all first). If you start thinking that your girl deserves more than you, you're going in the wrong direction. They deserve nothing than to offer you love for who you are in a social contract in which you provide and she needs to stay faithful. Honestly, I wouldn't even allow her a big dildo,I'd finger fuck the biathc myself,but that's just me.

If you do enlargement, do it for yourself, not a woman.
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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 10 months ago #1308699312

Can someone explain this "botox" that prevents shrinking to me?

First time I hear of this.

What procedure is this and where is it done?only in Avanti Derma?

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PMMA's disappointing prerequisites 1 year 7 months ago #1308700729

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