TOPIC: FFT, PMMA & FILLERS

FFT I'm having a rethink on this, I had initially ruled this out as there was an opinion this wasn't the best method. I'm getting such conflicting information, as with everything in the PE world. I have been informed by clinics offering this service and other methods of PE, so I presume they are not biased, that about 20-30% of new fat will be reabsorbed in the first 5 weeks whilst everything is healing. To accomadate this fat lost, more fat is injected to allow for this. After the healing time, what fat remains is classified as good fat, becomes tissue with it's own blood supply. This I'm told will remain permanently, and there should be a 20 - 30% Girth increase.

However this has now been brought to my attention.

A small amount of fat may survive for a number of years, however, most fat is reabsorbed in 3-12 monthsAn increase in Flaccid penis lengthdue to the weight of the fat, making Ligamentolysis (penis lengthening surgery) unnecessary.

I'm not going to name the clinics etc, I would prefer to get hard facts which can be backed up or personal experiences.

I think Avanti Derma and Dr C are specialists in their field, and I would have confidence in them. My concern is the product as the UK clinics are very anti PMMA. I feel more confident with the product, I have noted on this forum, many satisfied results, though the individuals do appear to go quiet. I cant work out if this is due to them being satisfied and they have moved on with the lifes, or whether things didnt go so good. I've tried to reach out but I've had no response. The promotion for the upmost package is very tempting. The cost to Mexico is something to factor in, especially as it appears 2/3 visits are required, I'm still uncertain of the safety and long term implications of PMMA.

Fillers, the lack of longevity is a concern. Ellanse E is a new find for me, the longevity of 4 years is appealing. But on the Ellanse website it states upto 4 years! Upto is always a big ? There is no mention of suitability of penile argumentation and the longevity for this use. It appears its purpose is for the face. Furthermore one practice has said that have discontinued due to some individuals not getting good results.

Anyone can personally pm me. I can try to answer any questions about my PMMA experience.

Its about time wrote: FFT I'm having a rethink on this, I had initially ruled this out as there was an opinion this wasn't the best method. I'm getting such conflicting information, as with everything in the PE world. I have been informed by clinics offering this service and other methods of PE, so I presume they are not biased, that about 20-30% of new fat will be reabsorbed in the first 5 weeks whilst everything is healing. To accomadate this fat lost, more fat is injected to allow for this. After the healing time, what fat remains is classified as good fat, becomes tissue with it's own blood supply. This I'm told will remain permanently, and there should be a 20 - 30% Girth increase.

However this has now been brought to my attention.

A small amount of fat may survive for a number of years, however, most fat is reabsorbed in 3-12 monthsAn increase in Flaccid penis lengthdue to the weight of the fat, making Ligamentolysis (penis lengthening surgery) unnecessary.

I'm not going to name the clinics etc, I would prefer to get hard facts which can be backed up or personal experiences.

I think Avanti Derma and Dr C are specialists in their field, and I would have confidence in them. My concern is the product as the UK clinics are very anti PMMA. I feel more confident with the product, I have noted on this forum, many satisfied results, though the individuals do appear to go quiet. I cant work out if this is due to them being satisfied and they have moved on with the lifes, or whether things didnt go so good. I've tried to reach out but I've had no response. The promotion for the upmost package is very tempting. The cost to Mexico is something to factor in, especially as it appears 2/3 visits are required, I'm still uncertain of the safety and long term implications of PMMA.

Fillers, the lack of longevity is a concern. Ellanse E is a new find for me, the longevity of 4 years is appealing. But on the Ellanse website it states upto 4 years! Upto is always a big ? There is no mention of suitability of penile argumentation and the longevity for this use. It appears its purpose is for the face. Furthermore one practice has said that have discontinued due to some individuals not getting good results.

I also would gladly share my experience (beyond what's in my thread) in private too if you have any questions. Considering I have 39 cc of product in me, I'm pretty committed at this point. I have messaged 'older' members from the 2.0 forum in the past and after some time received a response. And for the few I have, it's basically been that they moved on in life.

In public though if you want my opinion here: if travel to Mexico is a concern, I personally would be going the Ellanse route and finding the most experienced clinic within reasonable distance of you. And remember with it, the collagen formed may last waaaay longer than the actual 'beads'/product does.

Thanks Toothman & Justn8,

I think due to the newer version of this forum, I'm struggling a little to gather previous information and make contact.

I shall be upgrading to full membership this evening to get full access. I have been here before with the previous phallo2, I was mainly observing and taking note in the background.

I actually came very close to booking HA enhancement with a practice, but at the last minute I decided not to, due to some of the information I had read on here. So I moved on with my life, family, career, hobies etc. However deep down it was still there, that concern, I'll expect you all know what I'm trying to describe. So I've been saving hard and have some funds to fix this once and for all. I feel I have realistic expectations, I'm not delusional and dont expect to become the biggest guy in the changing rooms. But as much enchantment as possible will go a long way to my overall well being. I'm certain of it.

Toothman & Justn8, I dont mind if you dont mind continuing on here if you don't, otherwise I shall message you a privately.

Could I ask what has been your journey and what advise would you give?

Also are their members on here who have had FFT, what has your experience been? Good or Bad?
Same goes really with PMMA and Ellanse. I've researched Subtle77 and his experience with Ellanse really appeals to me. So too has the individuals journeys with PMMA. It's just difficult to cage the actual gain and longevity of all the procedures..

I will definitely be sharing my experience with this forum, documented and photos to prove. I'm hoping others can then learn from my journey.

On a lighter note, being Valentine's, I hope everyone and their partners, especially those with their new enhanced penises gets to fully appreciate them later on this evening!! I shall be firstly getting intimate with my trusted bathmate, then only to be told, I'm tired & I've got a dreadful headache!! Lol...

I would prefer pm

heclinics.com/male-enhancement-by-stem-c...ction-he-turbo-shot/

What are everyone’s thoughts on this?

Similar to PRP but with stem cells instead. Apparently, stem cells have been used to treat ED for some time now. The website claims stem cells are taken from the umbilical cord.

glam82 wrote: heclinics.com/male-enhancement-by-stem-c...ction-he-turbo-shot/

What are everyone’s thoughts on this?

Similar to PRP but with stem cells instead. Apparently, stem cells have been used to treat ED for some time now. The website claims stem cells are taken from the umbilical cord.

This link is a bit off-topic. While very appreciated, this is more for erectile dysfunction (ED) purposes than enlargement. I recommend you starting a separate thread in either the General Discussion of the Love Lust & Vanity categories as they seem to be better fits.

Hi SO,

Sure I’ll do that.

Posted here as it supposedly had lengthening and Girth gains as well.

Its about time wrote: Thanks Toothman & Justn8,

I think due to the newer version of this forum, I'm struggling a little to gather previous information and make contact.

I shall be upgrading to full membership this evening to get full access. I have been here before with the previous phallo2, I was mainly observing and taking note in the background.

I actually came very close to booking HA enhancement with a practice, but at the last minute I decided not to, due to some of the information I had read on here. So I moved on with my life, family, career, hobies etc. However deep down it was still there, that concern, I'll expect you all know what I'm trying to describe. So I've been saving hard and have some funds to fix this once and for all. I feel I have realistic expectations, I'm not delusional and dont expect to become the biggest guy in the changing rooms. But as much enchantment as possible will go a long way to my overall well being. I'm certain of it.

Toothman & Justn8, I dont mind if you dont mind continuing on here if you don't, otherwise I shall message you a privately.

Could I ask what has been your journey and what advise would you give?

Also are their members on here who have had FFT, what has your experience been? Good or Bad?
Same goes really with PMMA and Ellanse. I've researched Subtle77 and his experience with Ellanse really appeals to me. So too has the individuals journeys with PMMA. It's just difficult to cage the actual gain and longevity of all the procedures..

I will definitely be sharing my experience with this forum, documented and photos to prove. I'm hoping others can then learn from my journey.

On a lighter note, being Valentine's, I hope everyone and their partners, especially those with their new enhanced penises gets to fully appreciate them later on this evening!! I shall be firstly getting intimate with my trusted bathmate, then only to be told, I'm tired & I've got a dreadful headache!! Lol...

Bulk of my experience is in my own thread which you can find on here in the Patient section. You can PM me anything you want too

@itsabouttime

I've had a fat transfer, I wouldn't recommend getting it done.
I was told that 40% or so would reabsorb but i'd say 80% of it has reabsorbed at this point and what little remains usually stays at the base of the penis, until massaged along the rest of the shaft.
I'd say this is cause of me being a Grower, and the fat adapting to my Flaccid state and having to be massaged evenly every time i get an Erection.
I'm also uncut, which I wasn't aware of how shit it would be to be for this procedure, same with PMMA, you risk and most likely will get the accordion effect

I had to get the operation done twice because of the absorption the first time around.
I spent all my savings on the op which i'd still spend again if it was a permanent procedure like I was reassured it was, but it's really not.

Initially I was super-super happy with the results, I felt like a great weight was lifted off my shoulders and I was finally confident with myself.
It looked quite monstrous and I could barely get my hands around it, but this was mostly the swelling which went away after like 2 weeks which is always disappointing.
But slowly as the months went by, I felt less and less confident and more concerned about when the re absorption would stop.
Every month there was absorption until I was no longer happy with the size again, and this was judged by measurements and photos, not just paranoia.

Now, instead of just being unhappy with my size, I was now £7000 out of pocket with a new daily habbit of waking up each morning and worrying how much smaller it will get.
And every time it gets smaller, I wish I had appreciated it more the few weeks before.

I'm in a relationship btw, with someone who I met after the procedure, so there's also the worry that she'll be like "where did it go?".
Last time it got to this stage of near total re absorption, I went back to the people and they did it again for free as they agreed that it was an unusual amount of re absorption so quickly, but I basically had to BEG.
I then told the girlfriend that I had an injury and couldn't do stuff for a while, which allowed me to recover from the 2nd op discreetly.

But I very much doubt they'll do it again for free, even though I think they should because of how much they led me on with reassurances of permanency and not telling me about the accordion effect etc.

Few months after the 2nd procedure and I began to worry about re-absorption again, I found this forum, well the 2.0 version, and I really wish I had found it before my first operation.

I had read about PMMA before my first procedure but couldn't really find anything positive about it online so gave it a miss.
But i'd definitely say based on members stories, that it'd be worth going for over a fat transfer.

Fat transfers don't really work for uncut guys cause they can't inject the fat past a certain point, otherwise you can't retract the Foreskin.
So it's going to be more cone shaped.
Plus the fat gets super soft, almost like a thick liquid which is fine when Flaccid but it's still soft when Erect, and if you're uncut and trying to stick
you're Dick into a tight hole, the fats not exactly going to fight to get in there, so most will be pushed to the base.

Since discovering this forumn, I've longed for the day when I could afford to get some PMMA operations with Dr C, I've even considered getting out a loan so I can rid myself of this awful mentality whilst i'm young rather than tolerate it for years and build up savings, but probably don't have the Balls to take that plunge.

Mental health is really terrible at the moment because it's gotten to this absorption stage, that's basically like I hadn't had an operation and I'm a lot worse off financially.
7000 is a lot for someone in their early 20''s.

It's ridiculous how bad my mental health has gotten over this, and having had for a few months the result that gave me confidence, and how that made me feel mentally. I know that if I had a permanent result i'd be happy.

So i'll be saving for PMMA with Dr C i think, and hopefully prices haven't sky rocketed by then as I'll need money to fly all the way to mexico a few times and hotels etc.
oh and also the Circumcision, but haven't any idea where i'd get that done in the UK and done well.

So no, I can't say i'd recommend a fat transfer bud.

Sorry for the long message, but I felt pretty strongly on the matter.

PMMA is your best bet. I did it almost a year ago, and I haven't regretted it for a second. It looks and feels totally normal, with the exception of one small bump which I rarely even notice. It lasts forever. And it's the cheapest option I'm aware of.

@Dexter, which Dr did your FFT?

@hoodle10 I had the op done at Mooregate Andrology, by Dr Keuhhas. I can't say anything bad about the operation really, I think the surgeon did a great job and afterwards I was more than satisfied. Though I wasn't made aware of the possibility of the accordion effect and was reassured numerous times that it was definitely permanent and that I would be happy. I expressed my concerns whether being a Grower had any impact, but the surgeon told me that I would be a shower after the operation, which was technically true, for all of 3 months.
I definitely think retraction from being a Grower has an impact and results in the fat favoring the base.

I went back to them, expressed how disappointed I was with the results about 6 or 7 months in, and they agreed with what I said and offered me a top up.
They said sometimes people don't take after the first op and that the 2nd op should give me the expected results, but unfortunately not.

I've contacted them again and said the same thing, they need to take a look for themselves before any further action.
But hopefully 3rd time's a charm, but if not, I guess it'll buy me another year of being a little less disappointed in the investment.

With the re-absorption rate I've experienced, I just can't imagine it working for anyone else much better.
On the homepage for their site it says permanent like 10 times.
I made the decision to do the operation after seeing that bbc doc about mooregate.

Because it absorbs so dramatically, Dr Viel (in London) takes more fat than is needed and stores it in a freezer, so his patients can come back and receive top ups, free of charge for the first year. Or at least that was what he was doing the last I heard.

If you go that route I suppose it makes more sense, and seems more logical than what Mooregate offered me, which was 7000 for the initial payment and 4500 for any top ups for returning customers
But unfortunately at the time when I was making my panic buy decisions I wasn't getting any email responses from Dr Roberto Viel.
If I had my money back, I'd go straight to Dr C.
Though if I ever manage to save up I doubt I'll be able to afford, 2018 I heard it cost 3500usd and now it's 5000usd, or is that the difference between standard and utmost?

Sorry to hijack this thread @Itsabouttime