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Of course, you should combine with manual pe like jelqing and stretching and use of sleeves after exercise to prevent turtling that hinders gains.
For DHT the most reliable site I found was russianstarpeptides which sells topical DHT formulas at various percentages with good carriers.
For Dutastreid, it would be good to buy Avodart on a site that sells it. Ideally, you should understand if there is a topical form of Dutastreid to apply on your penis to avoid the side effects of systemic tablets.
The overall idea seems to be close to the edge but it can work, I hope.

Hi Buffdawg.

How is it going now?

I am seriously considering the procedure you took, to finally get some more self esteem about my private parts, and especially the girth.

I have kind of thought of this as a Christmas present for myself this year.

Status now is that I\'m thinking about two ways:
1. Start to follow and do a jelqing program, give it 3-6 months, and hope that this will give me maybe 1\" growth.

2. HA Voluma at Androfill. Hope this will give me 1\" growth (maybe after round 2?)

Todays EG is 4\", and my goal for now is 5\" - 5,5\"

BPEL: 6\"

What do you think?

luvcoffee wrote: Hello all, I write this in somewhat of a sad state. 9 months ago I hastily decided to get the Elist implant after willfully neglecting to research. Looking back on it now, I think I knew I would find the horror stories that are so common in these threads. I had a form of selective ignorance in choosing not to seek all of your accounts pleading potential victims to reconsider. For context, I've always had low sexual confidence. When I read that GQ article a couple years ago, I thought it was a way out of my sexual despair. I didn't have the money so I kept it in my back pocket. A few years past of looking forward to someday getting this procedure done. All it would have taken was a simple search to find this wealth of information. (special thanks to Message Man, Boston Man, and Mustang). Without you guys I seriously would have nowhere to look right now. Upon getting the implant, my account is very similar to everyone else's. I was rushed through signing the papers as if Elist had somewhere more important to be. My stupid (or smart) fucking ass decided to look up testimonials IN THE OFFICE BEFORE I WAS TO GO TO THE SURGERY CENTER. I found a Thunders Palace horror story and started to freak the F out. My inner skeptic was screaming at me. I could literally hear the little voice in my head saying 'screw that $2k deposit there is no light in this tunnel'. However, the 2k kept me in the game. I had already spent some money so I was invested. I write with so much regret right now knowing all of the pain I could have staved off. Oh well, what's done is done. Immediately after getting the surgery I went home to some of the worst pain in my life. Urinating was an impossible feat. Getting even the tiniest drop out was like a mudslide of kidney stones. I would stand in the bathroom for sometimes 30 minutes at a time facing the dilemma of a painfully full bladder and a penis refusing to empty it. Holy shit it hurt so bad'. That was nothing. Then I go to sleep. Apparently your nocturnal erections don't like dildos intruding on their growth space. Holy hell, I didn't scream like some others here but heavy breathing and biting my finger was the least I could do to get out of Dante's inferno. Over the next month the pain slowly subsided. I was left with about 70% of my dick being numb and a stiff implant in a dynamic place. I've been reading all day and these guys are so right about penile implants. Breasts are different because they don't move. Your penis changes size every god damn minute. It turtles in cold water and all sorts of shit. Here's how your member dynamically reacts. The glans withdraw into the shaft forming massive edges, or 'wrinkles' as Elist calls them. To prevent this, they had me wear Tubi Grip which is like cylindrical gauze that compresses the shaft. To this day I've been wearing Tubi Grip everyday. My DYNAMIC member requires it. Here's how it feels with it inside you. Say goodbye to boxer briefs if you're that kind of guy. Horribly uncomfortable. In fact, say goodbye to anything tight. If you do decide to wear slim fitting suit pants or jeans, upon putting them on, you need to decide which pant leg your member will live in for the day. No more middle. 'But doesn't this make it look like you have a big package?' Maybe, but you will be thinking about the implant every 5 seconds for the whole day either because of the discomfort or hoping you don't move wrong and rip it out. I look like a fucking idiot putting on shoes. I don't go straight down as that will bend the prosthetic up. I have to bow my legs out. It's the worst. The top part of your shaft is permanently hard. It is so unnatural feeling that it's comical. Every time I cum, through intercourse or masturbation, my dick will throb for about 30 minutes, and the pain will subside over the next day. Especially at the glans where the implant is sutured. My length has not changed but my girth has gotten noticeably bigger. SOOOO not worth the girth size. Take out the throbbing pain during intercourse and the noticeable increase in size, the discomfort is alone to want this implant out of my body. For reference, buy a pocket pussy. It's the exact same stiffness, and, as I mentioned earlier is not dynamic so don't expect it to get softer. Here I am, 9 months later and I want this thing out of my body. I've been reading posts all day and taking notes on others' removals. If any of you that have gotten the implant removed would be so kind as to reply to this thread or PM me, I would be eternally grateful. I have a few questions that need answering. I also need some morale booster. I'm pretty sad right now looking at peoples' results post removal. I would do anything to get the exact penis I had the day I walked into that surgery center. I think I will be using Elist for removal. Although I don't trust him, he has the most experience with these removals. I will definitely not be doing it in his office as some others have. If it takes $2500 so be it. If you view Elist doing the removal is a bad idea, please express why. I greatly appreciate your feedback. Message man has said gaining original EL back is totally possible with a consistent 'obsessive' routine of stretching and pumping. He also mentioned jelqing a couple times, but some of you don't really like that. My main question in regards to stretching is, say after 6 months you gain the original EL back, if you stop stretching, will it return to its former size? I saw Mustang's pictures post removal and in flaccid state it looked very swollen. Do most of you guys recall it being bulgy like that forever? I really don't want PMMA. I just want original dick. Why does everyone opt for PMMA? I can't be the only one that just wants to undo all the damage. I may be answering my own question here but what fills that vacuum of space that was once filled with the implant? Scar tissue? If so, how much scar tissue do you guys remember being there? It feels to me like there is zero tissue between my skin and the implant. Is the scar tissue under the implant? I've seen a few things regarding eliminating the scar tissue that ends up there. Kenalog, Scarase, and DMSO with topical Vitamin E. I've read on a couple threads that Dr. Solomon says that Kenalog is horrible long term. Has anyone else experienced what he is referring to? Is there a specific routine anyone would recommend for minimizing/eliminating scar tissue? Who has gotten Dr. Camacho to move scar tissue? Was the operation successful? What is the benefit of cutting the suspensory ligament post removal? I couldn't find an explanation for this. How normal does your dick look now compared to what it did before the procedure? Does it return to its dynamic state? Funnily enough, I kind of want it to turtle again. I was way more mobile that way. Why do so many of you experience a near vertical erection post removal? Any way to fix this? Of the guys that have gone with the removal, how many of you have a case of peyronie's? How many of you have absolved the case with a routine of some sort? ALL SAID AND DONE HOW SIMILAR DOES YOUR DICK LOOK AND ACT NOW (NOT INCLUDING LOSS OF SENSATION) COMPARED TO PRE-IMPLANT. 1 BEING COMPLETELY DEFORMED AND 10 BEING GOOD AS NEW. Again, thank you all for your ongoing contribution into this forum. It has proved an excellent resource in my time of need. Hopefully others will find this information before they land in Elist's office.

-luvcoffee

---- I like many others have experienced EXACTLY what you write about here. I have responded to others but in case you didn\'t see it I will try to address some of your questions as they relate to me.
Definitely pay the $2500 and let Dr. Elist take it out and do it ASAP.
I don\'t know anything about PMMA and after this experience I will never touch that area again with trying to change what I was born with.
I had a Dermatologist laser my scare and use shots. It may have made it a softer scare but no real change.
After a year of removal I still have no feeling in 70% nor have I gained back any erect length. I lost 2 inches.
I do have a curvature now when erect that I didn\'t have before. When not erect it does look like it did before I had the damn thing put in.

I bought a battery powered pump that I have use everyday. I also bought the size genetics stretcher that I wear 6 to 8 hours a day at least 5 days per week. After doing this for 7 months I have not seen any results but I plan to give it 2 years.
Dr. Elist prescribes nitrobid for the numbness but it gives me a headache. I believe it has nitroglycerin in it. If so you should not take it with ED meds but Dr. Elist wont tell you this.
You are not alone in your despair. If only I had researched this more I would have NOT done it. Dr. Elist preys on men who have any interest in being larger. I don\'t understand how he keeps getting away with it. I know nothing is 100% but I don\'t think many if any leave the device in.

You are right to use this forum. The guys on here are ALL Very understanding and helpful. They helped me get through in the beginning, In time your mind settles down and your mental well being improves. Don\'t give up!
I hope this helped you in some small measure.

Questions:
1) Would PMMA be better option as I already have a lot and it\'s not worth the risk of grafting?
Pmma is the best option right now most say, me too. Grafts are fucking big hardcore operation.

2) if I did PMMA could I do more cc than the average guy on the first round?
If you are longer, yes.

3) would I still need to do all the stretching and hanging exercises to prevent retraction?
This is just extra and i don\'t even think there are long term cases where length is lost long term.

4) dermal grafting would still cause retraction even if I\'m just going for girth?
Don\'t know about dermal grafting, it went out of style i think.

5) I\'ve pumped my dick A LOT over the years. 10-15mmHg on a reg basis (also tried jelqing, stretching, very briefly hanging, clamping wrapping). never had any problems but it\'s usually edema that ends up giving me girth. do you think this experience would increase chances of complication or toughen it up? pumping never bruises me.

Don\'t guess it would increase chances of complication.
But i would stop pumping forever or for 1 year after last injection. It\'s said that it moves around pmma.


6) would the pain after the procedure be any less because I\'m not looking to add length?
Lig cut for length is another procedure as pmma. Pmma only gives girth.
Lig cut is generally regarded as bullshit (some people even lose length, big operation, big mess, length gains seem to come nearly only from hanging after the operation)

7) increased chance of lumps/complications with PMMA on a bigger dick?
Wouldn\'t think so at all.

pain is subjective I know, but would the pain be more or less with a naturally bigger penis? I can see logic both ways
Pain is pain, Pmma for me was mostly pain free.

9) more chance of complications because surgeons aren\'t used to working on my size? or eaiser
No difference, perhaps even a bit easier i would imagine.

General questions (PMMA procedure Focus):
A) I live far away from any surgeon that does this. in a two stage PMMA surgery, how much time do you wait between procedures?
3 months is most cited i think.

I sit down and stand up for work a lot. not lifting anything heavy, but I do need to concentrate intensely for my job. having a hemorrhoid for example was super distracting. how much time from work do you guys take off typically (2 weeks)? how soon before you can get back on a plane? can you do post-op check ups over the phone?

Most say at least 3 days work off - first 3 days the pmma seems to form most. Then not so much anymore.
Some people fly right home, some people stay 3 days in hotel

Dr N does whatsapp, i guess Dr C also.

C) can you do PMMA in the head to get a bigger mushroom?
No.
Mushroom thingi - they put HA (hyoloric acid something) in there. Which is softer than pmma and stays there for a year or something like that.

D) how long before sexy time?
Most cited from doc\'s i think is 14 days, many \'are sure\' and do one month.

Hello forum peeps,
So I know I\'m probably going to receive lot of comments like, \"what are you doing dude?, you\'re way above average!\", but whatever I\'ll post this anyway.

current measurements
FL: 5\" measuring straight out, ~6\" if it hangs (what\'s the official way to measure FL anyway?)
FG: 4.5~4.75

BPFSL: 9.1\"
BPEL: 8.8\"
Base EG: 6\"
MSEG: 5.25\"
G just behind glands: 5.25~5\"

real, properly measured stats, no BS, (and no PE beforehand)

Goals
FL: 6.5\"
FG: 5.75\"

EL: <0.5\" increase at most, if it stays the same or I lose 0.5\" that\'s actually fine too
BEG: 6.75\"
MSEG: 6.5\"
Behind Glands/Glands: 6\"so I\'m not looking to gain EL. I would like to add girth. I\'ve been doing non-surg PE off and on for about a decade now. it\'s given only temp gains. I have felt what it\'s like to temporarily walk around with an extra 0.5\" to 1\" of girth, and I love it. I\'ve also had sex with that extra size and it feels great (and I can tell the ladies like it too).

btw non-surg PE has added maybe half an inch in permanent length and maybe 1/4\" girth at the base over the years. not much

So I got it into my head to consider doing this whole surgical thing. because:
-I\'m probably going to keep pumping my dick until it falls off otherwise
-I have the cash for it
-I\'m single, young, and healthy now (in my early 30\'s)
-I\'d feel embarrassed to do this during a relationship.
-it currently feels guilty/weird to pump before sex (secretly) and then have the partner wonder what happened to the girth the next day.
-call me greedy, but IDK, more girth is something I\'ve wanted for like half my life.

anyone with above avg natural stats share there experience or knowledge??
Questions:
1) Would PMMA be better option as I already have a lot and it\'s not worth the risk of grafting?
2) if I did PMMA could I do more cc than the average guy on the first round?
3) would I still need to do all the stretching and hanging exercises to prevent retraction?
4) dermal grafting would still cause retraction even if I\'m just going for girth?
5) I\'ve pumped my dick A LOT over the years. 10-15mmHg on a reg basis (also tried jelqing, stretching, very briefly hanging, clamping wrapping). never had any problems but it\'s usually edema that ends up giving me girth. do you think this experience would increase chances of complication or toughen it up? pumping never bruises me.
6) would the pain after the procedure be any less because I\'m not looking to add length?
7) increased chance of lumps/complications with PMMA on a bigger dick?
pain is subjective I know, but would the pain be more or less with a naturally bigger penis? I can see logic both ways
9) more chance of complications because surgeons aren\'t used to working on my size? or eaiser

General questions (PMMA procedure Focus):
A) I live far away from any surgeon that does this. in a two stage PMMA surgery, how much time do you wait between procedures?
I sit down and stand up for work a lot. not lifting anything heavy, but I do need to concentrate intensely for my job. having a hemorrhoid for example was super distracting. how much time from work do you guys take off typically (2 weeks)? how soon before you can get back on a plane? can you do post-op check ups over the phone?
C) can you do PMMA in the head to get a bigger mushroom?
D) how long before sexy time?

I suppose a lot of these questions are for a doctor... oh well.

thanks for your help.

Hello all, I write this in somewhat of a sad state. 9 months ago I hastily decided to get the Elist implant after willfully neglecting to research. Looking back on it now, I think I knew I would find the horror stories that are so common in these threads. I had a form of selective ignorance in choosing not to seek all of your accounts pleading potential victims to reconsider. For context, I've always had low sexual confidence. When I read that GQ article a couple years ago, I thought it was a way out of my sexual despair. I didn't have the money so I kept it in my back pocket. A few years past of looking forward to someday getting this procedure done. All it would have taken was a simple search to find this wealth of information. (special thanks to Message Man, Boston Man, and Mustang). Without you guys I seriously would have nowhere to look right now. Upon getting the implant, my account is very similar to everyone else's. I was rushed through signing the papers as if Elist had somewhere more important to be. My stupid (or smart) fucking ass decided to look up testimonials IN THE OFFICE BEFORE I WAS TO GO TO THE SURGERY CENTER. I found a Thunders Palace horror story and started to freak the F out. My inner skeptic was screaming at me. I could literally hear the little voice in my head saying 'screw that $2k deposit there is no light in this tunnel'. However, the 2k kept me in the game. I had already spent some money so I was invested. I write with so much regret right now knowing all of the pain I could have staved off. Oh well, what's done is done. Immediately after getting the surgery I went home to some of the worst pain in my life. Urinating was an impossible feat. Getting even the tiniest drop out was like a mudslide of kidney stones. I would stand in the bathroom for sometimes 30 minutes at a time facing the dilemma of a painfully full bladder and a penis refusing to empty it. Holy shit it hurt so bad'. That was nothing. Then I go to sleep. Apparently your nocturnal erections don't like dildos intruding on their growth space. Holy hell, I didn't scream like some others here but heavy breathing and biting my finger was the least I could do to get out of Dante's inferno. Over the next month the pain slowly subsided. I was left with about 70% of my dick being numb and a stiff implant in a dynamic place. I've been reading all day and these guys are so right about penile implants. Breasts are different because they don't move. Your penis changes size every god damn minute. It turtles in cold water and all sorts of shit. Here's how your member dynamically reacts. The glans withdraw into the shaft forming massive edges, or 'wrinkles' as Elist calls them. To prevent this, they had me wear Tubi Grip which is like cylindrical gauze that compresses the shaft. To this day I've been wearing Tubi Grip everyday. My DYNAMIC member requires it. Here's how it feels with it inside you. Say goodbye to boxer briefs if you're that kind of guy. Horribly uncomfortable. In fact, say goodbye to anything tight. If you do decide to wear slim fitting suit pants or jeans, upon putting them on, you need to decide which pant leg your member will live in for the day. No more middle. 'But doesn't this make it look like you have a big package?' Maybe, but you will be thinking about the implant every 5 seconds for the whole day either because of the discomfort or hoping you don't move wrong and rip it out. I look like a fucking idiot putting on shoes. I don't go straight down as that will bend the prosthetic up. I have to bow my legs out. It's the worst. The top part of your shaft is permanently hard. It is so unnatural feeling that it's comical. Every time I cum, through intercourse or masturbation, my dick will throb for about 30 minutes, and the pain will subside over the next day. Especially at the glans where the implant is sutured. My length has not changed but my girth has gotten noticeably bigger. SOOOO not worth the girth size. Take out the throbbing pain during intercourse and the noticeable increase in size, the discomfort is alone to want this implant out of my body. For reference, buy a pocket pussy. It's the exact same stiffness, and, as I mentioned earlier is not dynamic so don't expect it to get softer. Here I am, 9 months later and I want this thing out of my body. I've been reading posts all day and taking notes on others' removals. If any of you that have gotten the implant removed would be so kind as to reply to this thread or PM me, I would be eternally grateful. I have a few questions that need answering. I also need some morale booster. I'm pretty sad right now looking at peoples' results post removal. I would do anything to get the exact penis I had the day I walked into that surgery center. I think I will be using Elist for removal. Although I don't trust him, he has the most experience with these removals. I will definitely not be doing it in his office as some others have. If it takes $2500 so be it. If you view Elist doing the removal is a bad idea, please express why. I greatly appreciate your feedback. Message man has said gaining original EL back is totally possible with a consistent 'obsessive' routine of stretching and pumping. He also mentioned jelqing a couple times, but some of you don't really like that. My main question in regards to stretching is, say after 6 months you gain the original EL back, if you stop stretching, will it return to its former size? I saw Mustang's pictures post removal and in flaccid state it looked very swollen. Do most of you guys recall it being bulgy like that forever? I really don't want PMMA. I just want original dick. Why does everyone opt for PMMA? I can't be the only one that just wants to undo all the damage. I may be answering my own question here but what fills that vacuum of space that was once filled with the implant? Scar tissue? If so, how much scar tissue do you guys remember being there? It feels to me like there is zero tissue between my skin and the implant. Is the scar tissue under the implant? I've seen a few things regarding eliminating the scar tissue that ends up there. Kenalog, Scarase, and DMSO with topical Vitamin E. I've read on a couple threads that Dr. Solomon says that Kenalog is horrible long term. Has anyone else experienced what he is referring to? Is there a specific routine anyone would recommend for minimizing/eliminating scar tissue? Who has gotten Dr. Camacho to move scar tissue? Was the operation successful? What is the benefit of cutting the suspensory ligament post removal? I couldn't find an explanation for this. How normal does your dick look now compared to what it did before the procedure? Does it return to its dynamic state? Funnily enough, I kind of want it to turtle again. I was way more mobile that way. Why do so many of you experience a near vertical erection post removal? Any way to fix this? Of the guys that have gone with the removal, how many of you have a case of peyronie's? How many of you have absolved the case with a routine of some sort? ALL SAID AND DONE HOW SIMILAR DOES YOUR DICK LOOK AND ACT NOW (NOT INCLUDING LOSS OF SENSATION) COMPARED TO PRE-IMPLANT. 1 BEING COMPLETELY DEFORMED AND 10 BEING GOOD AS NEW. Again, thank you all for your ongoing contribution into this forum. It has proved an excellent resource in my time of need. Hopefully others will find this information before they land in Elist's office.

-luvcoffee

Hi Guys,

I thought id post here because for some reason i cant start a new post. My question is relating to PE exercises after PMMA. Obviously pmma forms a layer of collagen around the penis so does this mean that it becomes much harder to grow from PE exercises as the hard collagen restricts the ability for the penis tissue to expand and grow permanently?

Just about to pull the trigger with Dr N but wondering if that will put the end to ever getting any natural gains from PE. That is if real gains are even something that\'s achievable from PE exercises.

Anyone had any experience of pumping/jelqing/clamping after PMMA?

rubberDucky wrote: Hey Phallobored - kind of have to agree with Hunkydory. I would press the office for more info if you\'re still considering this route. I couldn\'t personally get anything out of them that convinced me. If anything, I found that the whole thing seemed more shady. Far too good to be true given the information available. What is your past experience with PE? If you\'re looking for more length, a lot of people believe at least an inch is possible with a consistent stretching/jelqing routine. I don\'t personally have experience with this but a plan of diet and exercise plus a year of manual length work might be a great way to prime yourself for a more reliable girth procedure i.e. PMMA. Just my two cents.

I\'m very familiar with Manual PE ... A little less than 10 years ago I owned a Bib Starter, a Jelq device, a Stretcher and a CTC DP-4000 but I never stuck with anything more than a week. I would say I\'m lazy. I even hired a personal trainer so I\'m forced to go to the gym every day.

I\'m satisfied with my 6x5 but anything \"easy\" that can get me closer to 8x6 without screwing up my junk would be preferable. Even if the cost is very high.

I think even if length increase is not feasible by any means other than manual, I\'d still be more enthusiastic about doing it if I had a girth increase.

Hey Phallobored - kind of have to agree with Hunkydory. I would press the office for more info if you\'re still considering this route. I couldn\'t personally get anything out of them that convinced me. If anything, I found that the whole thing seemed more shady. Far too good to be true given the information available. What is your past experience with PE? If you\'re looking for more length, a lot of people believe at least an inch is possible with a consistent stretching/jelqing routine. I don\'t personally have experience with this but a plan of diet and exercise plus a year of manual length work might be a great way to prime yourself for a more reliable girth procedure i.e. PMMA. Just my two cents.

I would like to try Chemical PE! I\'ve read a little bit regarding this topic at Thunderplace forum! Is possible to gain 1 inch in Length only doing Chemical PE, jelqing and manual stretching? Please, keep in mind, I\'ve never done PMMA!!! However, I\'m currently using Penis Extender and I practiced the jelqing method for 6 months last year. My currently penis measurement is 6 Inch erect length, 6.5 inches erect base girth and 6.0 inches middle girth. My goal is at least 7 inches length and 6.5 inches middle girth circumference!

What about penile surgery? Can I reach my length goal with surgery? What doctor do you recommend in USA? I am from Chicago, IL.

thanks in advance for your help

Edit: Argh, i am stupid - perhaps a moderator can put this post to the proper Natural Penis Enlargement forum


Goal is only length - for girth i have pmma.

I did have like 5 attempts of natural penis enlargement in the last 19 years. Each for about 3 months. One was jelqing, others were clamping, pumping, extender, all day stretcher.
Never made any gains (i think, could be i actually made gains as a teenager).

Now another attempt.


PLAN:
- 1 year / 2000 hours using ESL40 All-Day-Stretcher, to see if it works or not
(dtwarren from thunders gained 1inch - but it took 5 years -> that\'s 0,04 millimetres per month, that is really not recognizable when measuring. It\'s 0.5cm per year, which is the lower limit of being clearly measurable but i would be happy about this)

- If All-day-stretching does not work / work anymore go to
(low weight-) hanging
manual stretching
(then perhaps clamping but i think not)

- 9 months after final round of pmma start conservative cautious low-hg air-pumping

(i will never jelq or ulli or something because it does not feel good with the pmma, don\'t think it\'s good)




THOUGHTS:
- Was unsure about the tension. Inventor of the esl40 says you shall only pull softly. Others say the tension on an all day stretcher is a joke, you better pull as hard with it as you can, and it will probably not even be enough.
- Let\'s see if i have enough patience to go for 1 year.. i guess if after 6 months i don\'t see anything it\'s a bit hard to continou.






LOG: (hours wearing device)

3.12: 14
2.12: 0
1.12: 14


30.11: 10 -> started using heat-warmers normally used for keeping hands warm in winterMonth 3: 347
Hours in total since beginning: 634bone pressed erect length: 17,5cm (standing)
non bone pressed erect length: 15,5cm29.11: 0
28.11: 11
27.11: 14
25.11: 4
24.11: 8
23.11: 10
22.11: 10
21.11: 10
20.11: 17
19.11: 10
18.11: 817.11: 12
16.11: 11
15.11: 15
14.11: 15
13.11: 14
12.11: 6
11.11: 2
10.11: 2
9.11: 2
8.11: 12
7.11:14
6.11: 14
5.11: 16
4.11: 12
3.11: 12
2.11: 17
1.11: 13
31.10: 16
30.10: 15 -> starting of wearing it also when going out (the leg-version)
29.10: 8
28.10: 728.10:
this month, month 2: 170h
in total: 287hflaccid stretched:
erect non bone pressed: 15,5
flaccid: 13cm27.10: 7
26.10: 15
25.10: 9
24.10: 9
23.10: 10
22.10: 6
21.10: 3 -> started using reinforced version of esl40, pull a bit stronger
20.10: 11
18.10: 9
17.10: 6
16.10: 11
15:10: 3
14.10: 8
13.10: 5
12.10: 5
11.10: 5
10.10: 4
9.10: 7
8.10: 25.10: 6
3.10: 7
2.10: 8h
30.9: 7h
29.9: 7h28.9:
month 1 - 117 hours total
erect non-bone pressed: 14,5-15,5
erect bone pressed: 1628.9: 3,5h
27.9: 5h
26.9: 8h
25.9: 4,5h
24.9: 10,5h
23.9: 2h
22.9: 4h -> from this point on used some socks for warming it while stretching
21.9: 2h
19.9: 8h
18.9: 5,5h
17.9: 4h
16.9: 6h
15.9: 2h
14.9: 5h
13.9: 6,5h
12.9: 6h
11.9: 6h
9.9: 1h
8.9: 2,5h
7.9: 5h
3.9: 3h, red points
2.9: 8h
1.9: 6h
30.8: 13-14 1h
28.8.17: 2330-0030 2h27.8.17:
12,5 flaccid
15 erect non-bonepressed (former maximum erect non-bonepressed for many years: 15,5)Historical data (from tries about 3 years ago):
erect bone pressed: 16cm lowest measurement, 17.4cm highest ever (this was mostly bad measurements i think,
i did not get any longer ever i think in normal erect status)

Thanks

Yea, thunders and pegym seem to be where it\'s at.

I abstain from jelqing cause i don\'t think it\'s good for the pmma - while i don\'t see a problem with all day stretcher.
(Or pumping - but only 8 months after last pmma treatment)

Gg82 wrote:
How come?

I\'ve tried natural PE in the past (with not so good results) but jelquing was included in a lot of routines.

I think you\'re more prone to injury. Some guys reported things like decreased EQ, softer glans, etc., which may have been attributed to jelqing. Big thread on thunders, see post by deeppurple9.There was a urologist (from Korea I think, I forget his name) that specialized in treating things like venous leak... and this was a doctor who DID believe that PE could work, like stretching and pumping, but specifically warned about the danger of jelqing. I posted this quote on PEGym and initially got a \"warning\" about this being \"damning\" of jelquing without evidence, and ultimately got banned for it. Meanwhile, Thunder (the moderator) always allowed this open discussion about injuries etc. Anyway that\'s why I favor thunders. And BTW, I think the \"pumping 101\" thread (by avocet8, I think) is probably one of the best intro threads on pumping.Some guys may be fine with jelqing, just be aware there could be risks. I personally would stick with stretching or pumping--both of these have even been used in clinical studies.

I forget how long I did manual PE, maybe a year. Gained a small amount of length and very little bit in girth, and that was a lot of effort.Cheers,
LL

ll wrote: but stay away from jelqing....

How come?

I\'ve tried natural PE in the past (with not so good results) but jelquing was included in a lot of routines.

Dream wrote: Hi!

What are the best forums for \'natural penis enlargement\'?

I started all-day-stretching with the esl40.

I guess thundersplace is the place, or are there any new big good places?

Been about 7 years since I\'ve been into that, but at the time it was Thunders and PEGym... thunder\'s was much better IMO. also IMO pumping and stretching are safe but stay away from jelqing....

Cheers,
LL