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Well, Ellanse was supposed to be temporary, and what I nowadays call "long-term temporary." It was a matter of time (albeit it seems 5+ years out minimum apparently) that men exhibit size loss, and reports are so far and few that I can count on one hand the times I've seen it suggested (as in, some who suggested size loss didn't necessarily measure the loss, only perceived it).

Also, are you sure this dissipation isn't a result of any other factors, like poorer erection quality or tissue atrophy or loss of elasticity due to aging? Furthermore, can you be sure this isn't perceived loss, as in were you able to measure your peak girth back when you got work done compared to today?

Just wondering because I would most certainly like to ascertain an "average" time it will take to show some dissipation, and the sample size is woefully small, meaning any bit of info is helpful. And for the person who mentioned how some collagen would likely stay, yes, I would imagine so too since they are very much (if not identical) to the collagen produced by PMMA.

A response from Proud' Urology with respect to AudienceK's question:

And here are their pros and cons and a comparison for Ellanse and Megaderm:

1. Ellanse
Pros:
- Effects last for over 4 years
- Provides a firmer and more natural feel in the penis

Cons:
- Cannot be dissolved or altered after injection
- Results cannot be changed, posing risks similar to fat transfer surgery

2. Megaderm
Pros:
- Can increase size by an average of 2-4cm
- Uses safe materials approved by FDA, KFDA, TFDA (Supplied by tissue banks in the USA, sterilized using E-Beam irradiation to preserve the original collagen structure)
- Provides permanent results and naturally becomes part of the patient's tissue
- Becomes part of the natural tissue
- Unlike silicone materials, it provides soft and natural results, with 100% visibility of blood vessels.
- All immunological protein reactions have been removed to prevent immune rejection.
- Maintains firmness during erection (Megaderm is effective for penis enlargement, but it doesn't directly improve erectile function itself. If there are issues with erectile function, separate treatment may be necessary)

Cons:
- Possibility of complications
- Requires surgery and recovery period

3. Comparison
1. Longevity: Megaderm is more permanent, while Ellanse lasts over 4 years
2. Safety: Both have risks, but Megaderm is FDA approved while Ellanse cannot be altered
3. Naturalness: Both provide natural results, but Megaderm becomes part of the patient's natural tissue
4. Procedure: Ellanse is an injection, while Megaderm requires surgery

Hope this answers.

I thought the collagen or some of the collagen stays forever though?

Some practitioners respond back from what I've seen. I think the only complications I've read on here are the granulomas around the circ scar and some guys just not properly following aftercare (there's a guy on here who risked sex before the clearance period and ended up really bad). I can't say for Ellanse, but I know I've come across several guys on here saying they're years into the treatment and have not lost much. I believe Avanti has a comparison table in their brochure for your reference, just FYI.

Thank you for the response. I thought this was the general info forum wasn’t looking for practitioner's feedback. I worry about complications from PMMA but enough people here have been fine. Sounds like you are one of many. Ellanse seems to last much longer than expected with some reporting 5 years without much loss.

I have read recent studies that show HA basically never totally disolves in the face. A small portion is there forever. This is causing problems in the facial plastic surgery world. For our situation it would appear not to be a problem unless you are not happy with your enhancement. Just something to think about.

I don't think that what you have is there to stay. At some point Ellanse is supposed to absorb. I could be wrong. However, the manufacturer has never stated it is permanent. No one knows at this point what an average time frame for absorption of Ellanse is. Subtle, who has had Ellanse longer than anyone, is approximately 8 years out from his initial procedure and mentioned just recently on the forums that he has a 0.1 inch reduction in circumference, a very small amount.
You mentioned that you are losing size. Do you have measurements that you could refer to that would show this? I ask because I too have Ellanse and at times I think that I am losing size. However, every time I measure, I am right around 6.5" which is what I have been since my second round in July of 2020. Make sure to measure because the tape won't err.

So I was a member on this forum when it was 1.0 years ago but for some reason I couldn’t login anymore so I created a new profile. I tried all sorts of manual exercises, pumps, hangers with little success. About 3 years ago I had 13cc’s of voluma injected. I gained .2” which wasn’t worth the price since it went away about 12 months later. I have recently been in contact with Rejuvall and now waiting to hear from Avanti Derma. They have different products, approaches and prices. My goal is to gain 1” of permanent girth. I used actual math for cylinder volume and circumference and could never understand the claims on every website. My gain was exactly as it should have been with 13cc’s. I know gains from PMMA will vary and it’s not exactly 1cc gain per cc injected. If I were to use a HA filler then it would take roughly 70cc’s to gain an inch with my starting size. Due to the volume needed I have looked to save on cost now or reduce my expectations. I wonder from all the wisdom here how each product compares as far as most realistic feel. Fat vs ellanse vs bellafill vs Linnea safe. Carney at Rejuvall likes to first use HA before the bellafill in order to eliminate side effects. Avanti Derma uses a mix of concentrations with the Linnea safe. Either way it’s going to be multiple visits to reach my goal. I’m in California so Atlanta flights are cheap and going to TJ would be similar cost. Any help I can get would be appreciated. Aesthetics and avoiding complications is top priority followed by cost.

Starting stats
FL 4”
FG 4.5”
EL 6.25”
EG 5.5”

Ah okay. But you think for the most part what I do have now is here to stay? What if I just get a thin layer of megaderm over it for the aesthetics and go on with my life?

The collagen is not a solid mass, it’s a web of connective tissues, so there are hollows. It could be in your case, not enough connective tissue was generated to replace the Ellanse product. You have the option of going for a top up, 1 or 2 ml is usually enough

So you think the size I may have now is here to stay? There is a gap of empty feeling in my dick that feels squishy I wonder if that is from lost size.

I believe that whatever “volunteer” there is your own collagen, in other words, a natural part of your own body now

Oh Interesting. Well it has been since 2019 so it is definitely not 12 weeks anymore! How much do you think remains?

The carrier gel is the fluid your doctor injects into your penis, the carrier gel serves 2 purposes, first to immediately add bulk and volume. The second function of the carrier gel is to carry the microparticles - in the case of Ellanse, the microparticles are known as PCL. Both the carrier gel and the PCL particles remain in your body for 12 weeks, during which time the initial bulking effect of the carrier gel is replaced by the newly formed collagen that the PCL has helped generate. In the end it's the collagen doing the work of giving you a thicker dong.

What is carrier gel? TBH this PE stuff is still so new and taboo i dont even know the diff between the carrier gel vs micro particles etc. Not even the doctors explain this stuff! I am wondering if the collagen will stay. I also want megaderm but they told me only a .3-.5 inch increase. I would hate to go from 6 inch girth back down to 5 inch!