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Any evidence that things like fasting will be detrimental to Revuna?

I see that the cost of FFT is $6500. what is the expected cost of Renuva for .5-1.0 girth range? Sounds more affordable than yearly HA top offs.

I appreciate your take but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.

Again, take into consideration that despite all the companies you call who claim they fix one another, none of them choose to opt for silicone oil injections (with the exception of a handful of dunces who were "trained" by Loria). Think of it this way: those who do Hyaluronic Acid (HA) don't care for PMMA, and those who do PMMA don't care for HA, and those who do Surgimend don't care for fillers at all... but they ALL unanimously agree that silicone is bad news. The vast majority of qualified injectors will not do large volume silicone in the penis, many of them Urologists, Dermatologists, and Plastic Surgeons. Dr. Loria claims to be a cosmetic surgeon, he is not.

And yes, other practices do use Silikon1000 for other procedures, namely in very small volumes via micro-droplet technique (which the Manufacturer insists on), typically in superficial areas like the face. It's a completely different ballpark when doing body contour and penis enlargement via high volume injections.

Secondly, decades plural? That implies at minimum 20 years. Yea... no. Dr. Loria only started doing penis enlargement after his failed Hair Restoration & Nutrition practice wasn't picking up much steam, slightly less than 10 years ago (not even a full, singular decade). He has shills on his payroll, and this can be confirmed if they actually make anyone believe it was decades plural.

The PhalloBoards forum was shilled on numerous occasions with fake accounts all with IP addresses from his Boca Raton location, all of them first-time posters acting like they seem interested in this new Dr. Loria guy. When the shill was pressed for photos, they provided pictures that already existed on the web and had nothing to do with a procedure. Once they were outed, I got very obscene messages that I rather not repeat. Furthermore, around the same time, someone impersonated me with a Skeptical One username on the old PEGym forum, and I have an itching suspicion on who would have been behind it. If Dr. Loria were involved, it would be quite an embarrassing way for a medical professional to conduct himself, no?

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Moderator Alumni Hoddle10 once wrote on the 2.0 forums:
On his website, Dr Loria says:

"This highly specialized procedure may be presented at the American Academy of Facial & Plastic Surgeons, American Academy of Phalloplasty Surgeons, American Academy of Urological Surgeons, and the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgeons in 2013."
penisenlargementus.com/

Hoddle10 goes on to say:
There are a few problems with this idea though. Sadly "The American Academy of Facial and Plastic Surgeons" doesn't actually exist. More bad news is that the "American Academy of Phalloplasty Surgeons" disbanded some years ago, so despite their website still being up, he wont be able to present to them either! The "American Academy of Urological Surgeons" is also going to prove a problem, as regrettably they don't exist either. However, the good news is that American Academy of Cosmetic Surgeons does exist. Again though, as far as Dr Lorias presentation goes there is going to be a problem - he's not a member!


Obviously the site has gone through some changes over the years, but it's nice to see a time capsule retain some of the questionable practices and sales pitches used by this Clinic.

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Dr. Loria is performing the LEEP procedure and from what I can tell, it is a medical device without FDA approval. Isn't this illegal? It is.

Dr. Loria had a patient who was in the ICU with sepsis and he refused to giving the ICU physicians information on what was injected inside his patient. What's he have to hide? Imagine if this patient died, it would have sent phalloplasty back to the stone age because of one quack. This account can be found (and confirmed with photo evidence) on the LPSG Dr. Loria thread. Sickening to be honest.

Lastly, sure, some (not all) complications that can arise from silicone could theoretically occur with other fillers; however, if & when complications arise with silicone, they are known to be more severe. It also has a higher propensity to migrate, hence why Dr. Loria requires patients to wear a band at the base of their penis for a month (or however long he does it now). For example, men might get 60-80cc's MAXIMUM of Ellanse (or PMMA) over the course of many appointments over a lifetime, whereas you can get 60-80cc's of silicone in ONE-GO! This means it's plausible to have in excess of 150cc+ of migration-prone oil in your dick for the course of your lifetime!

For me, it's just that I know men who have confided in me regarding the severity of the experiences with silicone, even at smaller volumes. I simply haven't had that same kind of interaction with people and HA, PMMA, and so on. I've been monitoring men get fillers injected into them on the only website devoted to this specific topic of discussion, for a decade-and-a-half and I can say with certainty that the frequency & severity of filler complications correlated with silicone the most.

I appreciate you sharing your experiences, but I will remind you that any instance where I see an advocacy or promotion (even if that isn't the intention) of this Doctor or methodology, I'm going to speak up for the sake my readership. There are plenty of more viable options including HA, PMMA, Ellanse, Radiesse, Renuva, Fat, and Dermal Grafts for girth enhancement, why chance it with the least popular option (i.e. silicone) out there?

Furthermore, I have no trust in Dr. Loria's ethics, or the expertise of anyone willing to learn his methodologies. Their office reached out to me for Sponsorship and I declined what would have been a modest amount of revenue if we had decided to agree on terms. If I'm willing to let all these other Doctors and techniques compete against each other on my platform, why not let him join? It ought to tell you that I value the integrity of this site and respect the community that has built it.

That all said, I want to reiterate that this isn't necessarily a cause for alarm for those who already have it, but it definitely warrants taking my advice (that comes from a place of experience & sincerity) on avoiding any further high volume injections, and focus on touch-up/revision instead, especially if you're in the 6-7" girth range.

We can resume the original topic now.

A lot of guys have been reporting good results with Hyaluronic Acid (HA) as of late. Sure, there are always going to be less-than-ideal results with a large sample size, the same can be said for PMMA and other methodologies. Ultimately, if you are seeking modest gains, HA is going to be a relatively safe option.

Also, if you plan on considering Dr. Tsay, you may also want to ask him about Renuva. It's basically an adipose filler and it may also prove effective in lower-to-modest volumes, you'll want to ask him. He offers both HA and Renuva.

Super appreciate the info! Thank you.

Are top offs generally to address if fat fails in certain areas and creates unevenness?

Boinkerz wrote:

Skeptical_One wrote:

Boinkerz wrote: Would have been interested to hear his pricing for the fat transfer route.

Since prices are subject to change, I typically encourage readers to contact the Provider directly, Dr. Tsay can be reached during the week at 714-760-9918.

Yah I think everyone understands that, but he gave a ball park pricing regarding HA fillers in the interview, so a ball park pricing for fat transfer would have been neat.

From Dr. Tsay:
I charge a flat rate if $6500 for fat transfer to the penis. I typically put 60+ mL of fat in one session and the advantage is that the prices does not depend on how much volume they receive as opposed to using HA which is dependent on volume. More than half the time patients do request an additional treatment within a year or two after their first time receiving this treatment. An alternative to a second round of fat transfer would be to use renuva as a top off or for adding minor aliquots of volume. This price can vary depending on how many mL of Renuva they would like to receive. I hope that helps.

Skeptical_One wrote:

Boinkerz wrote: Would have been interested to hear his pricing for the fat transfer route.

Since prices are subject to change, I typically encourage readers to contact the Provider directly, Dr. Tsay can be reached during the week at 714-760-9918.

Yah I think everyone understands that, but he gave a ball park pricing regarding HA fillers in the interview, so a ball park pricing for fat transfer would have been neat.

Boinkerz wrote: Would have been interested to hear his pricing for the fat transfer route.

Since prices are subject to change, I typically encourage readers to contact the Provider directly, Dr. Tsay can be reached during the week at 714-760-9918.

Would have been interested to hear his pricing for the fat transfer route.

EricPig wrote: @Rybrad
So I started around 6x4.5 and had one procedure and now I’m 6x5.75 and scheduled for my second.
I’m a Loria medical patient which I’m seeing isn’t a popular thing on this site. I personally haven’t had any negatives with working with them and I loved my first procedure. Honestly I don’t see other companies who offer permanent filler to have any less issues. For example - I know a few guys who’ve gone to Tijuana and come back with infections and imperfections just like the ones being roasted on here for so … maybe I don’t know enough. I’m down to learn. I’m not advocating for them. It’s just my experience.
My third procedure I am looking for another company closer to me, but not because I’ve had a bad experience with Loria.

There is a saying, you can't make everyone happy.

I could take a buddy visiting from out of town to my favorite restaurant, and insist he gets the ribeye steak. Upon arrival, the steak is overdone and clearly we're both disappointed. Of course they apologize and bring us out a new steak and free desert on the house. So even the finest restaurants occasionally butcher a steak. That's my analogy for the vast majority of quality physicians performing penis enlargement. The true can be said for a reputable barber or tattoo artist.

Dr. Loria on the other hand is the kind of establishment you go to crossing your fingers the chicken isn't days old and or whether or not the cooks actually earned the (fake) culinary degrees on the wall. Yea that's right, the guy said he was a Cosmetic Surgeon and frankly, he's not. However, his real expertise was Nutrition and Hair Restoration for some time.

Silicone-enhanced penises are what I consider the great deception in male phalloplasty. Results are instant, permanent, and often-times quite aesthetic. However, large volumes of silicone oil are not one of the safer alternatives in penis enlargement. Firstly, you're required to wear a tight band at the base of your penis just to prevent migration. That alone is a scary prospect. Then, if you happen to be one of the unlucky few who end up dealing with an unusually fierce reaction to the the oil, it becomes very difficult to remove, and can even require skin grafting. I know someone personally who is undergoing illness and it may be attributed to his obsession with silicone oil.

But more importantly, and I've read and seen this around a few times and it's such a valid consideration: if silicone oil is available off-label by the use of any of these phalloplasty doctors, why do the vast majority of them refuse to use it in the penis? Urologists, Plastic Surgeons, Dermatologists, all of them can use it, but instead they opt for Hyaluronic Acid (HA), PMMA, Ellanse, Renuva, Radiesse, and Fat. Why is that? It's because they don't want to deal with the mess that is silicone-enhanced penises.

And what about the PhalloBoards? You don't think I couldn't delete the negative comments and newcomers wouldn't be the wiser? I'm sure the likes of Loria would pay me handsomely considering how much he spends marketing a month. I genuinely care that my readership has access to pool of physicians that perform ethical medicine, it's how I built this site over a decade. I've turned down a number of Clinics I found to be shoddy or unscrupulous.

Also, when speaking to Doctors (both Sponsors and non-Sponsors alike), I'm told this silicone stuff rivals the Penuma in "repair" jobs on these poor men. If you really wish to enhance your size, seek out a vetted, experienced doctor who practices ethical medicine.

Oh and @EricPig , sent you a PM pretty much saying what I said here. I don't mean to alarm you as you may be just fine (not all silicone patients face complication), but there are many Clinics that will turn you away if you've had work done with Loria. Just an FYI, and be honest with them, last thing you want to do is encourage a complication by withholding necessary medical info. Good luck either way!

Great interview, I'm glad to see a more candid discussion regarding these procedures. If women can enjoy the perks of enhancement, I believe the attitudes of men will change too. Maybe might take years, but it's a mature exchange like this one that gets the ball rolling.
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big_dick_energy wrote: Hi everyone, I'm new to these boards and a little overwhelmed with all of the options and different types of fillers out there. Personally, I'd be fine with just adding 0.5-1 inch in girth (currently at 4.5 inches EG). I'm leaning towards HA at the moment since I want to test it out before doing anything permanent, but I'd like to hear any and all recommendations!

Hypothetically, if you had $5k to spend every 2 years, what procedure/filler are you choosing? If you had $10k instead? $15k? And If money was no concern?

-In my opinion, if you had $5k to spend every 2 years, I feel like it's a toss up with fillers, which include Hyaluronic Acid (HA), PMMA, Ellanse, Radiesse, and Fat. There is also Renuva which is a fat injection that doesn't require harvesting fat from your body, making it non-surgical ( Dr. Tsay of Orange County offers this new filler). In this budget range, you'll likely find a tiebreaker by reaching out to vetted Clinics and obtain consultations, see which practice is the best fit for your goals, budget, etc.

-If you were dealing with the $10k-$15k range, surgical options open up, including the use of a dermal graft matrix like Surgimend. These are used by the likes of Dr. Victor Liu and Dr. Mark Solomon . These are typically one-time procedures and permanent.

-If money was of no concern, I'd lean toward HA or Fat Transfer. You'll likely have to top-off these fillers over time but if finances weren't an issue, these represent arguably the safest fillers/methods available today. Note*- I'm not suggesting more long-term or permanent fillers like Ellanse or PMMA are unsafe, but relatively speaking, HA and Fat are derived from natural sources and going to be the most bio-compatible.

What you will want to avoid are any silicone-derivative enhancements, including silicone oil, rigid silicone implants, etc. Everything else mentioned in this post has shown a solid, efficacious track record.

I hope that helps.

Looking forward to my follow-up HA filler session this week with Dr Tsay. Will post thoughts/ results after.

Dr. Tsay's Q&A has been updated with some new entries! --> Follow this link.

Monroe2345 wrote: feel like I need a support group for this stuff and real life accounts. Super hard to know what to do, if anything!!

You've come to that exact place... it's basically what this site was made for and is today.

Girth is much more attainable than length if it's cosmetic procedures you're looking at.

A simple breakdown involves choosing between surgical or non-surgical.

Surgical options like the Penuma I wouldn't recommend, but dermal graft matrices like Surgimend can be great for those who are looking for permanent, modest gains. If you look at the North American Directory you'll find that Dr. Liu and Dr. Solomon offer these. They are both Board Certified Plastic Surgeons.

Fat Transfer is also an option.

Non-surgical options are essentially dermal filler injections. I wouldn't recommend silicone oil, but there is an abundance of temporary and long-term options to choose from. There are pros & cons to each. Fillers include Hyaluronic Acid (HA), Radiesse, Renuva, Ellanse, and PMMA. If you can, only an hour flight to the Pollock Clinics that offer HA, Adult Circumcisions, Vasectomies, and a whole host of male procedures & services.

Feel free to provide your stats, your goals, and your risk thresholds and I can maybe better point you in the right direction.

hotdirt9114 wrote: I have a consult with Dr Loria and he does inject small droplets of silicon which then cause your own collagen formation etc. There are a lot of positive reviews. The negative ones tend to be for guys who want a "monster" size which is not my goal. I am tempted by this as we are both in Miami so I can pop by his office anytime for help vs Avanti Derma which is a flight away.

I looked into PMMA also and the clinic (Avanti Derma) claimed it will last 5 years or so ( drive.google.com/file/d/14SDp6hLDu08iyoIGuJgsfFU1bfMiEMoU/view ).

Ellance ( phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress...inside.html?start=15 ) doesn't seem to be a bad option also as I'm happy to top up after 5 years or so (just tired of the yearly top up).

I have been using 2-4ml Voluma yearly as a top up to keep my girth but its just too soft and I don't like it. Thicker is nice but only is "hard" all over without lumps and bumps.

My erect girth is around 5.25" and I only want to get to about 6" (even a bit less like 5.7" is fine). My erect BPEL is just over 6.5" which I'm happy with.
I am gay so a very thick penis is no good as the guy won't be able to suck me / will be hard to penetrate then. I'm not just trying to round it out so its a nicer looking dick / cosmetic rather than the thickest one out there.

Any suggestions are welcome on what is best here.

A few corrections here - PMMA is permanent and therefore lifetime. If travel is an issue, Dr. Rupeka and Dr. Carney also perform it in the states.

Ellanse was projected 1-2 years by the manufacturer but Clinics are reporting much longer lifespans (3-4+ years). Ellanse is only available abroad.

Hyaluronic Acid (HA) may not be long-term, but the trade off is the best safety profile among the fillers mentioned here.

I would not recommend silicone oil. After seeing Dr. Loria results and how the patients describe their procedure, I'm reluctant to believe he uses a micro-droplet technique. Of all the Doctors discussed on this site (who happen to be innovators in the field of male enhancement), none of them employ silicone oil for girth despite having access to the filler....begs the question, why don't they also use it? This is because if & when complications from silicone oil happen, they can be incredibly difficult to manage. Dr. Loria himself would be unqualified to perform any surgical intervention in the event you need your penis saved and it will likely come out of pocket. Admittedly, silicone results can look pretty good immediately post-op, but the amount of volume Dr. Loria uses would have me a nervous wreck with all that inside me.

There is also Renuva used by Dr. Tsay which is basically like a fat filler but without the need to harvest it surgically, making it a relatively safe option as well.

If all you need is 0.75" to reach your goal (which is a reasonable one), any of the aforementioned options (minus silicone) should work. You'll want an experienced practitioner. Good luck!