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How many rounds? How much filler? And what type?

I just had 20cc of bellafil and felt that it was staying in the mid to upper shaft area and decided on the scrotal procedure three weeks later.

I know I’m still in the healing phase but I have some concerns that there’s too much filler and the initial results will be less than ideal.

For context, I have scrotal webbing and Dr. Liu recommended the procedure but I passed initially.

I have a feeling I should have done the scrotal procedure first to improve the results of the filler.

Also, how was the healing the process of the scrotal procedure? When did you get back to normal activities (e.g., running, lifting, sex, etc.)?

I have an appointment set with Dr. Rupeka soon and I was hoping to get your opinion - I’m looking to get between 1-2 inch increase in girth but i want it to look very natural. I’ve seen some guys get 10 syringes and get a .75 increase and then other guys get 40 syringes and only gain 1 inch. I’ve also talked to guys who got 20 syringes on their first go and gained 1 inch.

I’m wondering if the more you get on your first go prohibits the PMMA from really forming the most collagen possible. Like maybe because there’s so much PMMA in the first session and your skin isn’t loose enough yet - some of the PMMA gets encapsulated together forming less collagen rather than doing less syringes in the first go and letting that PMMA spread out from eachother and actually causing more collagen growth around them as more are getting encapsulated individually.

Thats just a theory and may have zero merit to it - but as somebody who has PMMA already - do you think I should start with 10-12 maybe even 15 and then on my 2nd round get 20? Or do you think I should get 20 from the jump and then another 15-20 during a 2nd round?

My fear is putting too much in the first time and getting right circ scar area or the pig in a blanket look where the shaft is overlapping the circ scar when flaccid.

Do you have any of these issues after having 35 units injected?

Thanks @lurkin , I emailed honestpe.shop/ about building a larger hog stretcher. I think the vibration could be a benefit but not entirely sure. I asked about that as well.

I do use aa ADS noose stretcher immediately following procedures and keep it on as much as I physically can for about 10-14 days. Seems to help alot. Goal is to reduce turtling long term

I don’t think the filler is movable once it’s been encapsulated. Like that is after 3 month mark i believe. But they say it’s safe to resume at the 2 month mark.

I see people using a noose stretcher right after the procedure but with something light like 1-3 lb. And the vac cup seems safe after 8 weeks and I’ve only done 10-11lb on the hog stretcher since the procedure.

I have only had 25 syringes of Bellafill with Rupeka but I’m going to Avanti in April. Maybe I’ll have half the filler you have.

Usually I think the consensus is 1,000 hours of extending/hanging is 1 inch of gain. But it’s different for everyone.


Also here is the latest DIY build for the Phalback style of pumping. You would need a tube slightly bigger than your girth. Although I focus more on extending now: www.reddit.com/r/TheScienceOfPE/comments...ion_build_cowabunga/

Just for know: how much erect length you gained and un what timeframe? Thxs

@lurkin how much pmma do you have? I'm worried with my amount that I could cause deformation using a bib hanger with intense compression. I'll take a look at the phalback. I know of the phallonsan and other extenders...but the vibration element it new to me

Hey thanks for sharing. I’m always trying to gauge at what point it would be too much filler but even 7.5 doesn’t seem that crazy if you have the length to support it.

Here’s the info on Phalback, it’s just a faster method of pumping. Apparently vibration cuts the time in half with pumping or hanging.

lurkin wrote: Hey I just wanted to chime in. As I said before, when phalback was blowing up on Reddit I purchased the prototype of the pump that mimics the same protocol in July 2024. This one: elitemaletraining.com/

The only difference between the two models is that the pro has a controller for the vibration- the vibration motor you buy separately.

I did not gain an inch, but vibration supposedly speeds up the time needed to pack a tube. Same with extending, although they say not to exceed 20-30 min a day of vibration.

I attached a routine for vibration interval pumping, and I do believe I got some gains, just not one inch. I figure it can't hurt to continue using this as many users have pointed out that Avanti and others have recommended pumping for one+ month prior to going for PMMA injections will allow for more filler to be injected since the penis is already conditioned to a size beyond your normal erection. Just have to wait 8 weeks in between procedures to start seriously pumping and extending.

Vibration for me just cut the time in half whether pumping or extending.

lurkin wrote: Ah I'm surprised to see this here. When I saw this blew up on Reddit in the Spring I wanted to try it. Long story short someone DIY'd it and I built a similar unit:

www.reddit.com/r/gettingbigger/comments/...iy_pb_interval_pump/

A couple things to note, the interval pump the DIY community is using is a modified breast pump. They actually are going to have a version you can buy for about $250 that has everything built in. I bought the older version that required you buy a separate power supply for the motor. You don't need to by 4 clamps, just two as I didn't really need the handle. I used a towel to prop everything up and keep the cylinder or a 45* angle as you sit down.

This is the recommended motor 12v 25w 30kg
www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DC12V-24V...9c63.jpg_200x200.jpg

The Phalback protocol calls for a pump cylinder slightly larger than your girth. Typically I would use 1.75" cylinder which is 5.5 inch circumference and my girth was like 5.3 or 5.4 flaccid since the purpose is for length not girth. They also used some kind of lubricant like coconut oil, and he vibration only was on during the vacuum interval, usually the vibration setting up to 3-5 on the knob.

www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807406988037....dd-b12d-2b811f545fb2

Ah and here was the interval pump in action:
youtube.com/shorts/i9mckoUrZRg?si=Yv0yREzyaG02BmOR

And the protocol I followed for for phalback was 15s on 5s off for 20 min going up to 17inhg for the last 6 min or so.

karlwikman had a protocol as follows:
2 min 25cmhg static
5 min 35cmhg 10s on 2s off
5 min 40cmhg 8s on 2s off
5 min 44cmhg 6s on 2s off

And Chad's detailed blog of him using the actual phalback machine: chadthunderpeen.wordpress.com/

I use the hog stretcher or hog vibe: although they recommend not more than 20-30 minutes of vibration for the day. Phalback protocol is twice a day but it’s in intervals so the vibration exposure is less than 30 minutes.

Maybe reach out to honestpe.shop/ to see if he can make you a custom hog vibe as your girth might be too big for the stretcher.

I also use the male hanger which looks like it is the improved version of the bib hanger. I would think the filler is fully settled after 2 months but if it’s been longer I don’t see why you couldn’t do compression hanging. I usually only do 10lb but I guess I would start off with 5 and work your way up. I only max out at 13lb or so for a 20 minute session before I need a 2 minute break.

What’s up brother - did it even out over time? Or did you have to get more to make it even? Everything turn out good?

Don't mean to jump the gun before any replies, but I was reading about something called the Phalback...no idea if it works with those of us that have had a decent amount of filler injected already..

Another option I thought about is vacuum pumping for length. @Texas I've seen you talking about that a bit in the past. Is this a good solution to my length dilemma?

Hi guys,

I used to hang religiously, got up to 15-20lbs using a vac hanger and tape on the glans. Used to use the Bib Hanger as well before switching over to a vac cup over the glans.
I got to roughly 7" in erect length and that is when I moved over to PMMA filler, an Alloderm graft and a lig cut.
The lig cut got me literally nothing in erect length gains, but of course helped with flaccid hang gains, which has been beneficial to my PMMA journey.

In total I have 93ccs of PMMA filler, both Bellafill and Linneasafe (Pics attached)
Current EG is now 7.5" (started at 5.5")
Current BPEL is 7"


I would LOVE to get back into hanging and try to gain some additional length now with the ligs cut and my PMMA journey coming to a close...but I'm terrified of screwing up what I've worked on over the past year and a half :/

How are we supposed to hang and not completely deform or fuck up the filler and/or grafts?
Wouldn't a Bib Hanger move or leave indentations?
I think the vac cup would be the way to go...but it would still be pulling heavily on the shaft where the silicon sleeve is placed over and connected to the cap. Would that not pull the PMMA towards the head and potentially build a ring by the glans?
Also, no idea how to even put on a silicon sleeve anymore being this thick

Apologies if this is the wrong place to post this thread, but I'm truly at a lose after digging through older threads about this. It seemed nobody had a concrete answer or solution

Thank you in advance and good luck to everyone's gains journey!


PS. I would NOT jump back to hanging with that much weight again, I figure 5-10lbs range would be perfect for a long hanging session if I could do it without damage to the new penis

What are the pros/cons of each?
Clinicians & (some) patients have a preference of one over the other -- but why? What exactly are the considerations of using one tool over the other in terms of safety (less trauma to the penis, for example); accuracy & consistency of product placement (very important); overall patient aesthetic outcomes; clinician technique; etc.,

Does the type of product (PMMA vs HA, for example) factor into decisioning?
Additionally, former patients here who've had multiple rounds & perhaps experienced both (cannula/needle)... would be great hearing your perspective.

It will never not be weird to me to compliment another guy's dick, however...
honestly man, I saw your post 2 months ago, the only picture I saw that looked a little off was when it was a lymph disaster right after the infection. The other photos you posted it looked great, in my mind.
I've seen dudes on here and thought to myself "damn bro you got mangled", but you aren't one of them.
Everyone has their own expectations and tolerance of imperfections, it's your body not ours - but the pictures you posted 2 months ago I'd be thrilled with personally. But I was also circumcised at birth, and I know for some guys getting it as an adult can be traumatizing. We're accustomed to looking down our pants and seeing different things.

I can see the little bumps in the picture on this thread, I feel like THOSE are the type of teething imperfections that doctors can address. I have 2 or 3 of those, and they never really present an issue.

The erection thing is an issue, but what if the doctor tells you your vasculature is fine, neurologically everything is sound, and your hormones are fine? The psychological trauma of what you went through is very real, and shouldn't be ignored just because we're guys. Now there may well be a physical element, but the roller coaster of emotions you've gone through would mess with anyone. Have the openness and plans to address that side of it.

The mass is a lot smaller and softer post kenalog. I may go in for another treatment but at this point I think I’m fine with the look and feel. I would say it’s around a 30% reduction in size from what it previously was, and an even greater reduction in firmness

I'd love to hear your progress with the kenalog shot. I have an area I need touched up and am planning on finally making my way to do it.

Curious for others input on this issue. I’m just short of 2 weeks post 21cc 30% PMMA and still have some swelling. The swelling is especially noticeable at the circ scar. I’ve started wrapping at the circ scar. Any other remedies or suggestions?