TOPIC: AD PMMA Round 2?‍♂️

I’m back!

Starting size: 7x5 (uniform Girth)

Post round 1: 18x30%, 3x10%
~0.5 Inch Girth gain
BPEL: 7 inches
Upper shaft: 5.4
Mid shaft: 5.5
Base: 5.4

Round 2: 15x30%, 3x10%
Goal is to reach 6 inches Girth

So as many following the forum recently may know, Ian is no longer at AD. Dr. M and Dr. Uribe performed my procedure. I’ll have check ins Thursday and Friday and from what it sounds like it’ll be Dr. M performing those check ins.

Pretty importantly, their recommended aftercare plan for me is different from what was recommended during round 1 and what is typical on these forums.

Namely, I am to keep my post-op wrap on until I’m ready for bed basically which is let’s say ~9 hours (procedure was at 12pm). Previously protocol was wrap for four hours then AD would remove the wrap, perform the first massage, and then the patient would massage periodically.

I should then plan to sleep as normal (no midnight massages) and wrap again once I wake up. Then I’ll have a follow up later that day, Dr. M will inspect and massage as needed, then wrap me up again.

On my Friday check in it sounds like there’s a chance I may be injected with additional product should we see any early irregularities. Stretching is still recommended, but given I’ll be wrapped more constantly, it’ll be more periodic (ex 3-4 times per day).


Rationale seemed that the doctors have concerns that the frequent massages are irritating the penis and more often moving things around and potentially out of place. Or dramatically increasing swelling. I feel like this can make sense. You read a lot of stories here about people being unsure about technique, or right amount of pressure etc. in cases like that I can see how self massage can do more harm than good. Additionally, others also report that the product can generally be kind of difficult to move around even after the first day. So it feels intuitive that if we can preserve the initial post injection shape through wrapping then it could lead to a more intentional looking result. Then massages on day 2+ truly are just smoothing rather than massaging to shape

Idk! I truly see an argument for either side. Im planning to follow somewhat of a hybrid approach. I’ll give a light massage tonight after I take the wrap off and another one tomorrow before putting it back on.

During round 1 I massaged hourly. Even then my low spots stayed low and my good spots stayed good. There wasn’t really any “moving where there’s too much to where there’s too little”. And yea I did get quite a bit of edema at one point but it did go away. Feels like a classic nature vs nurture problem lol.

Day 3 update.

Things are going well! Much less swelling than last time. Shape is looking good and the wrap seems to have done a decent job of preserving.

Today Dr. M said we are done with the wrap now that the entry points have closed. So going back to a more standard stretching protocol but notably just massaging as needed. The goal is to preserve, if it ain’t broke don’t fix it type of situation.

Based on my first round things should be pretty settled by end of today so if this shape holds I’ll be pretty happy! From an aesthetics pov I do think this is the largest I can go without looking unnatural. There’s still a bit of swelling of course but yea feels like this is right on the cusp! I’m measuring about 6.2 mid shaft and 6 at the base and upper shaft.

Too soon to tell how things will end up though. I see other recent posters reported some issues even after the week 1 mark. But so far I’m liking the wrap approach! Much more convenient not having to stretch constantly and massage all the time, walking around is a breeze without a ball swinging or even having the zen Hanger attached, and the result is looking good so far!

Some pics. Funny how much shorter it looks with the added Girth but it’s indeed still 7 inches!

I was just there. Had my third round on the 13th, left on the 16th. My experience this time was pretty much the same as yours. I chose to wrap with my 2nd round in 2024 because I liked how it maintained the shape and I couldn't commit to wearing the weight as much as recommended due to the type of work I do.

I still have two entry points that are slightly open. I first make one wrap with 3M self cling rolled gauze then use Tubigrip size A instead of the self cling bandage. The soft smooth 3m rolled gauze provides a nice buffer between the Tubigrip and your skin and will not leave imprints.

I was a bit disappointed Ian left, and it's pretty apparent it was a significant loss. They still provide top tier service and I'm very happy with the results. Good luck with the healing!

VoltzZz wrote: I was just there. Had my third round on the 13th, left on the 16th. My experience this time was pretty much the same as yours. I chose to wrap with my 2nd round in 2024 because I liked how it maintained the shape and I couldn't commit to wearing the weight as much as recommended due to the type of work I do.

I still have two entry points that are slightly open. I first make one wrap with 3M self cling rolled gauze then use Tubigrip size A instead of the self cling bandage. The soft smooth 3m rolled gauze provides a nice buffer between the Tubigrip and your skin and will not leave imprints.

I was a bit disappointed Ian left, and it's pretty apparent it was a significant loss. They still provide top tier service and I'm very happy with the results. Good luck with the healing!

Hey @VoltzZz I just happened to be reading about collagen peptides on here to see if anyone else had better results while taking them.

What are your stats for length and girth after all 3 procedures? I'm at 3 procedures now but I notice after the first two I gained .5in in girth each time. This last procedure maybe .3in in girth. Did you notice anything more than the standard .5in~ gain while taking peptides?

I started at 6.5 BPEL and 5" Girth. I couldn't tell you whether or not the ghk-cu made a difference because there really is no way of telling. All three rounds I've used ghk-cu. I've gained approx 3/4 each round. My second round landed me right in the button of 6.5" Girth. I waited about 21 months before the 3rd round and that number never budged.

I can't determine how much I've gained from round 3 since I'm only 5 days post procedure. I took a measurement for the hell of it and I'm 7" Flaccid. Can barely see a stick of Old Spice deodorant when I lay my unit on top for reference. There really isn't a ton of edema as I can see some vascularity but if I had to guess based on previous outcomes I will probably gain another 1/2" when all is said and done.

I had an Erection last night and was more curious if I was down on length which has happened in the past but I was maybe 6 3/8" as the Erection wasn't all that great. I had much less bruising and swelling this time for some reason... Could be the KPV but who knows

I take 22g of collagen peptides, 3mg ghk-cu and 400mcg KPV. The last time I spoke about peptides here SK1 wasn't thrilled about it so if you need to know more you can pm me.

It just dawned on me you might not be speaking of actual peptides only collagen peptide powder. I might have given you more information than you were looking for

VoltzZz wrote: I started at 6.5 bpel and 5" girth. I couldn't tell you whether or not the ghk-cu made a difference because there really is no way of telling. All three rounds I've used ghk-cu. I've gained approx 3/4 each round. My second round landed me right in the button of 6.5" girth. I waited about 21 months before the 3rd round and that number never budged.

I can't determine how much I've gained from round 3 since I'm only 5 days post procedure. I took a measurement for the hell of it and I'm 7" flaccid. Can't see a stick of Old Spice deodorant when I lay it on top for reference. There really isn't a ton of edema as I can see
some vascularity but if I had to guess based on previous outcomes I will probably gain another 1/2" when all is said and done.

I take 22g of collagen peptides, 3mg ghk-cu and 400mcg KPV. The last time I spoke about peptides here SK1 wasn't thrilled about it so if you need to know more you can pm me.

That seems above average. I only gained about .5 each time. 7inch girth erect is where I want to land, but you're that flaccid.

Are you doing any pump or extending routines? Create a threat about your results. I was also going to say www.reddit.com/r/TheScienceOfPE/ allows for posts about peptides. I bought a red light pad that I try to use 4 times a week, but I was interested in trying GHK-CU at some point. I always thought that collagen supplements didn't work because they would be broken down in your stomach before they get matabalized.

Also SK1 gives lifetime premium if you post pictures, I feel like that isn't mentioned enough. I usually try to compare how much PMMA people got vs their results but your results are above the norm. You could post on that and link to reddit if you wanted to post a dosing specific protocol. It's not like you're posting which compounding pharmacy to order from. I would think anything that helps users make gains would be appreciated.

I'm at too self conscious to post pictures. Honestly, I have too much going on in life to be on discussion boards multiple times a day again. It would stress me out having to answer or defend comments because I'm not one to hold off on replying.

I know my results are above average, this might sound crazy but I attribute it to my genetics. I'm 48, not one wrinkle or stress line. Even Dr M and the new Dr made a comment. Maybe my system produces higher than average collagen?

I pumped for about 3 years and didn't get the results I wanted so I restored to PMMA. I still pump maybe once every other week when I feel like being a little bigger before sex. I was using the bungee cord traction device on and off after my 2nd procedure but it was only because I lost length, although it was likely edema in the fat pad kinda freaked me out for a few weeks. I also could not do any of the aftercare protocol because I ended up with an infection that practically confirmed my Dick into an S shape. I was approaching 8" Girth I was so swollen. My focus was keeping it clean and touching it as little as possible. Took me about 3 weeks until I stopped leaking yellow fluid and the final entry point closed.

I was 6" Flaccid before round 3. I'm 7 now but I'm anticipating on landing at 6.5 . Won't know for at least 3 months from my experience of the process.

I'm not doing anything out of the ordinary and I don't have any tips or tricks to contribute. I did not keep the paperwork from my first procedure but Im pretty sure I received 18 cc's of 30% and 3 of 10%. Second round was 12x30% and 8x10% third was 10x30% and 9x10%

1st and 2nd sessions were the signature package. 3rd was Upmost, I feel like the glands enhancement was a waste of time other than giving me more ridge for the rubber cord of the weight to grab on to. Red light therapy was like 20mins, I don't have much confidence it did anything. I went with the upgrade for the Botox, I thought it was a good idea to prevent bunching due to retraction which I don't get much of after the 2nd round anyway ... Basically I'm saying I think it was a waste of $600 but I did it anyways because just like the peptides it's a gamble and you can only hope it's going to help.

Ah 6.5 is about where I'm at, maybe 6.6 last I checked but that is erect girth.

If that's the case we're about the same although I've read other people taking collagen and anavar as well.

As far as PMMA I got a negligible amount more like 100 which would be 3 or 4 more syringes.

Lurkin
1st 25x20=500
2nd 8x30 and 4x10 580
3rd12x30 and 6x10 420

VoltzZz
18 cc's of 30% and 3 of 10% 570
12x30% and 8x10% 440
10x30% and 9x10% 390

I don't mind the HA in the glans. I asked for a bit more since I opted out of the scrotox. As far as trying to make the glans bigger I'm going to try sleeved pumping to reduce edema: www.reddit.com/r/TheScienceOfPE/comments...ing_the_why_and_how/

We should probably apologize to Jeff for hijacking his thread lol. I didn't realize anavar promoted collagen synthesis. I have experience in that field of performance enhancing compounds. Through anecdotal evidence I was only aware of another compound that I mention in this conversation with my Gemeni AI app. I wanted to see what it would say about the Anavar then I progressed into my current protocol. You will find this interesting and very promising. It's long and detailed but worth the read.

g.co/gemini/share/a2b59bf353c9

Two weeks! Rough measurements
Base: 5.8
Mid: 6.1
Upper: 5.6

I say rough given I expect things to fluctuate a tiny bit but this is the general range I expect to land in.

Ok, gotta be honest. Not crazy about the shape and aesthetics. I’ll admit it looks fine in the pictures for some reason.

1. It’s definitely baseball bat like whereas round 1 was pretty uniform.
2 It’s a bit lumpy in general
3. I’m pretty sure I’ve developed a Granuloma on the underside near the head. It’s like a small soft clump I’m able to move around. it’s not showing up well in pictures but it’s very visible in person. I had sex recently and my girlfriend said she could even feel it while giving me head.

So what did we learn! I think Dr. M’s recommendation to only wrap was an over correction. My impression is the recent swelling scares being reported here pushed the team to have patients be wrapped which does indeed help with swelling. I had very little this time around.

And to be clear I basically did 0 massaging. Some light stuff here and there but effectively 0 compared to the always-on operation I had during round 1. So all things considered it’s still a solid result imo. But I’d rather massage and deal with a week or so of swelling if it means it helps slightly. Even if it does nothing, the peace of mind of knowing you tried is good.

So all in all, I’d say the meta has not changed. Massage massage massage. Next round will be a touch up.

Jeff, I wouldn't be concerned too much about the shape two weeks in. This is right around the time in my experience and actually what I'm experiencing currently and you and I were there the exact same time where the transition with components of the product dissipating is happening before your body can make up the difference with collagen production. I also have a type of lump that developed in the circ scar area dead center of my head.

Just shy of 6 weeks!

Upper shaft: 5.4
Mid shaft: 5.7
Base 5.5

Really weird fluctuation in size. Physically in my hand I could tell it felt thinner than week 2. I figure I’m still in some colllagen building phase. Will check back in in a month or so

Is it the shaft BELOW the skin that is thicker,

Or is it the skin itself that is thicker ?

Can the skin still be mobile over the shaft when Erect ?

Thanks !