TOPIC: moregirth's PMMA log

Hey everyone. Some of you might remember me from the old forum. I\'m back!

I\'m at about the 6 months mark after my 2nd PMMA procedure with Dr. C. No complications except for a purplish area up on the right side near the glans. This area is also at a lower (altitude? lol) than the rest of the penis, meaning that it takes a a little dip. This only seems to be a color issue as far as I can tell, but ever since it appeared after procedure 2 I\'ve been a little worried about it... Also, mid-shaft is still the widest point instead of it being the base like I want it so I can have a tapered look.

Ok, now for some stats:

Before stats:
Flaccid
Girth: 3.25\'\'
length: 3.25\'\'

Erect
Girth: 4.25\'\' (widest below glans), 4\'\' (at base)
length: 5.5\'\'

After procedure 1 stats:
Flaccid
Girth: 4.6\'\'
length: 3.5\'\'

Erect
Girth: 5.25\'\'
length: 5.5\'\'

After procedure 2 stats:
Flaccid
Girth: 4.6\'\'
length: 3.5\'\'

Erect
Girth: 5.25\'\'
length: 5.5\'\'

6 months after procedure 2 (current stats):
Flaccid
Girth: 4.4\'\'
length:3.5\'\'

Erect
Girth: 5.12\'\'
length: 5.5\'\'

Procedure 1 date: 03/30/2011
Amount of PMMA injected: 16 ccs of 20% and 2 ccs of 10%(below glans)

Procedure 2 date: 05/13/2011
Amount of PMMA injected: 10 ccs of 20% and 1 cc of 5%(below glans)

As you can see I gained absolutely NOTHING from procedure 2! I was pretty upset about that to say the least. It did fix some minor cosmetic issues from procedure 1, but added no Girth which is what I really wanted out of procedure 2. Not only that, but I actually shrunk back down to 5.12\'\' Erect Girth now. I have no idea where that other 0.13\'\' went or why. I hope to be going in for procedure 3 soon (need some money first) and get as much PMMA as I can this time around. I hope to be at at least 5.5\'\' and hopefully at 6\'\' after procedure 3.

Well that\'s it for now. Feel free to ask me any questions.

Happy to see you\'re back! I also didn\'t gain much after Round 2, but I had 11cc\'s @ 10% (not 20% like you had), so I\'m not sure what gives in your instance.
Interested in learning more about that discoloration you are experiencing... thanks for keeping us up-to-date.

I\'m curious about your loss too. I was told by Wade and Dr. Casavantes that some people gain nothing! There\'s no guarantee. I\'m sure they\'ll do what they can.

This outcome is very odd. Clearly after round 1 you gained A LOT of Girth. One hyposthesis is that PMMA does not really grow your pensis but collagen around it. Could it be that there is kind of a limit to that growth even with more PMMA once injected in the SAME area of pensi? I only had 10% PMMA and i have quite a dramatic impact. I wonder if starting with 20% can risk \"maxing\" you out in terms of too much immediate collagen formation. i say this because my results SOFAR are so natural and undetectable it is kind of shocking to me vs. some of the issues I am reading about with others. When i talked to Dr C, he said he has found that starting with 10% was preferable because (not using his words) it sets the foundation to be be able to (again not exactly his words) LAYER on the PMMA like a foundation or platform to futher build.

bighat wrote: This outcome is very odd. Clearly after round 1 you gained A LOT of Girth. One hyposthesis is that PMMA does not really grow your pensis but collagen around it. Could it be that there is kind of a limit to that growth even with more PMMA once injected in the SAME area of pensi? I only had 10% PMMA and i have quite a dramatic impact. I wonder if starting with 20% can risk \"maxing\" you out in terms of too much immediate collagen formation. i say this because my results SOFAR are so natural and undetectable it is kind of shocking to me vs. some of the issues I am reading about with others. When i talked to Dr C, he said he has found that starting with 10% was preferable because (not using his words) it sets the foundation to be be able to (again not exactly his words) LAYER on the PMMA like a foundation or platform to futher build.

I hope there is no \"maximum\" because I still got at least an Inch to go, and I\'m sure others are still working on their goals too.
It would be a huge development if such were the case.

Has anyone questioned where that PMMA is \'going\' if it is not adding any dimension- or in this case, resulting in a loss? I find this concerning. I personally have reasonable gains after round one, and will decide months from now (if this collagen building thing happens) if another round is necessary. I personally find some of these recent posts alarming. (Sorry moregirth, not trying to \'alarm\' you, just saying..) thoughts?

moregirth,Have you asked Wade about your round 2 outcome and whether it is an a typical result? My observation which i think we all know is that PMMA does not add Girth itself but simply stimulate collagen. DIRECTLY after round 2, with all those CC\'s pumped into you cockyou had to temporarily BALLOON to past that 5.25you report right? I mean I was HUGE after the procedure, it was water. The PMMA is a tiny amount of CC, whether 10% or 20%, that\'s not what makes your Cock big in first hours. It is collagen later on that gets you in the direction of that big first Cock. It is my thought that EVERYONE will respond to PMMA different and build collagen relative to PMMA differently. This is perhaps why the board reported the Dr\'s saying \"results from 10% were similar to 20% so we try 10% first as results more predictable\" yet now they sort of concede 20% is the blockbuster (to \"god for gold\" in rounds 2). Perhaps it is simply that on AVERAGE 20% is the big builder, but it is possible for some to respond almost as much to 10% as much as some other guy does to 20% in terms of collagen growth. I mean if you layer on enough collagen on PMMA, and then shoot more PMMA in , perhaps there is not much \"room\" for too much more collagen to develop in the derma and PMMA does not want to \"stick\" there anymore--like plaster falling jutting out of and falling off a wall. This is perhaps why the 10% and THEN 20% combo might work best, even though we all freak out about it. Again SO went 20% and THEN 10% and reports kind of same problem as you moregrith (dissapointing rouhd 2) and kind of thought it was 10% issue...maybe that is just not the case. Maybe it has to do with how much PMMA and how you respond via collagen you get in round 1 to set the stage for round 2. Personally I think 1 Inch Girth is an AMAZING result, if I get there I will be 5.5-5.7 and for godsakes man that is a big unit. Anything over 5\" and you are above average and here I am and you are, after being small whole life. When I see C and W in December I will ask them about the round 2 busts and see what they say.

I have not talked to Dr. C or Wade in months as I have been pretty broke lately and saw no chance of going in for a third procedure any time soon. I will probably e-mail Wade later today or tomorrow to let him know about my situation and see what he thinks since I\'m pretty much at the 6 month mark. I\'ll report back here what he says.
I\'m more disappointed than worried about the loss of almost a quarter of an Inch in Girth. This is a new procedure and we are all pioneers (or guinea pigs).
Does anyone know of certain things that would inhibit good collagen growth? Or things that would promote it?

moregirth wrote: I have not talked to Dr. C or Wade in months as I have been pretty broke lately and saw no chance of going in for a third procedure any time soon. I will probably e-mail Wade later today or tomorrow to let him know about my situation and see what he thinks since I\'m pretty much at the 6 month mark. I\'ll report back here what he says.
I\'m more disappointed than worried about the loss of almost a quarter of an Inch in Girth. This is a new procedure and we are all pioneers (or guinea pigs).
Does anyone know of certain things that would inhibit good collagen growth? Or things that would promote it?

Since you are already a patient, you should be able to lock in the original rates. That should help some. Sorry to hear about your Girth decrease... I was pretty fat for a while but it settled to 4.5\" (when I bet it was over 5\" at one point). Thanks for updating us though, information like this can help us better figure out what\'s going on.

moregirth wrote: This is a new procedure and we are all pioneers (or guinea pigs).

Not sure if \"guinea pigs\" is a fair characterization. If this was something newly discovered and had little-to-no background, and if he was the only one doing it, I could see that term being used.
However, bioplasty has been practiced for years and even Dr. C\'s been doing it (including penile bioplasty) for a good many years. PMMA in the body has been studied and newer generations of the product seem to be working successfully for many patients. I will concede that there are no studies for its use in the penis, but the mechanism behind how it works in the face or butt is no different than how it works in the penis. But because of the lack of data, I think the term pioneer is more appropriate than \"guinea pig.\"
Just my 2cents, especially since that term carries a lot of negative connotation.

Definitely don\'t smoke! That is a collagen killer! Eat healthy, sleep and exercise daily. I sincerely hope you get your 1/4\" back buddy! Testosterone and Erection quality could possibly be a contributing factor. Keep us updated.

Long term studies have not been done, so the future of PMMA penile bioplasty is in question. That said, I\'m a really well endowed guinea pig.

@S.O.: that\'s interesting about the locking the original price since I\'m already a patient. I hope that is the case! And yea, I guess pioneers is a better term than guinea pigs.
@miracle: Is smoking 100% proven to be a collagen killer?? I started smoking pretty regularly (marijuana, not cigarettes) around the time of my second procedure. For a good 4-5 months afterwards I still had the 5.25\'\' EG measurement. It is only in the past 1-2 months I would say that my EG has gone down to about 5.125\'\'. I really want to know exactly what do to and what to not do when the time comes for my third procedure.

Well... Mary Jane causes a sharp decrease in Testosterone. You\'d still have to smoke it quite frequently to collagen production. Cigarette smoking is a collagen killing machine; accountable for premature wrinkling of the skin, yellowing of the skin/nails and premature graying of hair. Make sure to up your intake of Vitamin C, amino acids, green tea... etc. See my progress report for supplements I\'m taking. Sorry to hear of your loss bro... but I don\'t think occasional marijuana use caused it. My testosterone levels are in the low 700\'s at 38yo so I\'d like to keep them there or increase them even more. If there\'s anything I can do, send me a PM. Always happy to help.

M7x6... Yes, it\'s growing.

Well... Mary Jane causes a sharp decrease in Testosterone. You\'d still have to smoke it quite frequently to collagen production. Cigarette smoking is a collagen killing machine; accountable for premature wrinkling of the skin, yellowing of the skin/nails and premature graying of hair. Make sure to up your intake of Vitamin C, amino acids, green tea... etc. See my progress report for supplements I\'m taking. Sorry to hear of your loss bro... but I don\'t think occasional marijuana use caused it. My testosterone levels are in the low 700\'s at 38yo and I\'d like to keep them there or increase them even more. If there\'s anything I can do, send me a PM. Always happy to help.

M7x6... Yes, it\'s growing.

@ moregirth and others I do think some people respond better than others and yes smoking is not going to help. However I think a lot less people would claim to have lost or hardly gained from round two if they took the initial advice of the good DR which is that final result is after month 3. Most of us have been running back every six weeks when healing is not over yet. I remember reading up on gsxr blog on the old forum and I know it happened to a small extent for him too. I left over 3 months for my last round and after 2 months I had gone from 6.55 to 6.25 but then I didn\'t loose anymore. My advice that if you really want to know how much each round brings you. you will have to leave it 3 months apart and your 3 months result should be the official number. Not saying that you cant loose more after that but I keep reading about guys (me included) that are losing or not gaining after round two but almost everyone is using their six week figure as a bench mark. So say a guy has gained 0.75 after week six but after three months would have been 0.5. if he goes back after 6 weeks for another round perhaps with less cc\'s and 10% then he might only gain 0.3 or so. add that to his actually gain of 0.5 three months later and he has gained 0.8....now after six weeks he thought he had gained 0.75 so he is now disappointed that he only gained 0.05 when in actual fact he gained 0.5 in round one and 0.30 in round two. That\'s enough from me lol too much coffee lol