TOPIC: The Mustang Saga: Elist Silicone Implant , PRFM, PMMA and then???

M7 is right, this is a roller coaster ride. It is easy to tell you are a man of strong will and a kind soul as well. Thanks again for sharing your story.

@Mustang2020
That\'s one heck of an ordeal and I hope it isn\'t the way life usually plays out.At least you\'re far safer with PMMA especially with lower concentration plus the high level of s of Dr C and Nurse Wade. Your story does illustrate to what extremes we are ready to go, to lessen a far worse pain yet, that of failing to meet our expectations and our reflection of personal image. This is one hard road to walk, the path of PE. And resorting to surgery is the recourse of those most hard pressed. So you have proven your great courage and endurance, and this will come with its reward, I am sure you\'re going to soon find that there are at last solutions which don\'t carry such a counterpart. Thanks for the fascinating read, which hopefully will inspire others to caution.
HC

Man, I know this is a serious subject for you and everyone on this board, but everytime I read the name of this thread I think of that movie \"Dude, where\'s my car\"... the Chinese drive thru

and then... and then... and then...

and then....and then........

I am out of town so I will post when possible..

The Uphill Road to Recovery

Dr. Elist gave me a few needles for me to inject myself with to reduce scar tissue build up where the implant used to be in my penis. I thought to myself, where the hell am I to do this and HOW????

I emailed him some pictures of my groin area and asked him where to put the needle in. He told me on the phone where to do it, but not how to do it...

I took a shower and I cleaned everything well and I went at it. I took the small bottle of Kenalog and shook it well, it went milky...

I filled it with about 10ml of the fluid, now it is time to \"stick\" my self. I took a deep breath and I stuck my self right above the incision area in the middle. It hurt a little bit but the needle went in may be a 1/4 of an Inch and it stopped but it still hurt. I did not know what to do next, it did not look right and it hurt now a bit more....I though to myself well, fuck it I am going to push deeper and it will hurt more....I pushed it in more and thank Buddha, it did not hurt any more, as a matter of fact it it stopped hurting.

I pushed the plunger in slowly and I can see the fluid going into my groin. There was no pain at this point. I took it out and there was a spot of blood at the entry point. I wiped it with some alcohol and that was it....I rubbed the injection area trying to force the fluid down closer to the penis shaft thinking that was where it was needed the most.....

The incision healed very well, the drain tube hole also healed well. I felt a lot better now but the right and up curvature when Erect indicated to me that the scar tissue is the cause....

(Images added Dec 26th after being retrieved from bad disk drive)

Check out how long the tube was, amazing this Dr can continue these practices!


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I was pumping and stretching on daily basis. There was little effect but I thought it was getting better......

I was psychologically feeling a lot better now but I was very concerned about the Peyronies situation that had developed....

At this point, I had two injections of Kenalog..

(Images added Dec 26th, 2011 after being retrieved from my old HP PC)



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One can see the swelling and scar tissue on the penis shaft. Some of it went away some scar tissue remains and is causing Peyronie\'s disease.


Some Important Statistics


FYI, before the implant, the Erect length was about 6 inches. When the implant was put in, the EL went down to about 4.8\" to 5\"...After about 8 months the Erect length with the implant was about 5.25\" to 5.5\".... Flaccid was a great 4.5\" and the Girth was 5\" tapering to about 4.5\"...Flaccid. Erect Girth was a massive 7 to 7.25\" at the base tapering to about 5.5\" right behind the glans...I had many women check my pants with excitement, even friends and family members noticed it but of course they did not say anything....

After removing the implant, the EL went down to about 4.5\" but the Girth pretty much stayed the same minus about 0.25\"....

After the pumping and the stretching, the EL went back to about 5.5\" and the Girth stayed about the same as mentioned above...

The Financial Cost of the Implant and its Removal

The cost to install, was $10500. The travel expenses were about $500.

The cost to remove it was $0. the cost of travel to remove it was about $700.

total cost: $11700......Ouch!!!

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To be continued..

Wow Mustang! you\'ve been through more than I knew, I really feel for you and thank you for all the valuable information you\'ve provided!
I\'ll talk to you personally too, but I just wanted to say that publicly and to inform you and all, that I\'ve decided to get the implant removed! Don\'t want to take up much room on your great thread here, so I won\'t go into a lot of detail, but basically I now have a prominent corner that bothers my wife during sex sometimes, and I don\'t like it either. That, and of course, the constant worry about infections and the like..... besides, I know it will have to come out someday anyway..... so why not get the whole thing over with! especially with the PMMA option now.
The only things to decide on now are: when ?..... I might wait a few months to stretch out the skin some more, since thats one of the reasons I got it.
and two: who should I have take it out? .... seems boston2015 had good luck with Alter doing it, and there might be other MD\'s to ask about doing it? I tell ya.... after reading your experience with Elist taking it out! I don\'t think I want him doing it! even though I\'m sure he has the most experience, how careful is he?? oh what to do! thanks for the great thread man.... talk to ya

Congrats on your decision Mark! If money is of little issue, my advice is go with Alter. But remember, Elist can and will remove it at the surgery center and you will be very satisfied. He charge me 1000 buck, maybe 1500 to remove it at the center for the cost of anethesia. I was pretty happy with the Removal with Elist. But he may not take his time like Alter will. Just talk with Elist and ensure that he uses his best techniques and your concerns. Good luck

Thanks LT, yeah I should at least talk to Elist. Especially since for my situation, when he put it in, he said if I liked it I could leave it in, or after it had stretched out some \"fauxskin\" which is what I wanted.... he would take it out for free..... but I bet thats just at his office! and after reading about the ordeal Mustang went through.. there\'s no way in hell I would let him do it there!..... but yeah, I should discuss it with him, and like Mustang said there\'s no big hurry.... I just want it done well. I might even offer him extra money to really take his time and be extra careful.... we\'ll see..... thanks again!

Hold off till I get back in town in a few weeks and we can talk on the phone as needed.

The biggest problem I see in successful Removal surgery is the scar tissue that will cause retraction and Peyronie\'s problems. Since yours was not stitched, I suspect (please remember I am not a Dr!) that you may have a bit more scar tissue where the implant was moving back and forth which would irritate the penis shaft and creat scar tissue. Again, I may be way off on this and it may cause the opposite effect but I am just theorizing. Is wrapping not helping the edge? You have to wrap for days at a time to get it to settle down. This happened to me and I would wrap for days at a time and the implant would behave better for me.

Good luck buddy! you do have more options today than you and I and many people did, not even a year ago.

kraken

Check your PM.
I used a cheap Ebay silicone stretcher that holds on to the glans and it straps to your leg. I used at all day long and then I would use the regular pump by Dr. Kaplan. 10 mins in the morning and 10 min in the evening at the 10 vacuum mark on the pump meter.

I think the injections helped. I had done two to myself.

Stretch slowly and carefully. Call your Dr. for advise, it is the best thing to do.

Dr. Runels and PRFM

Before I removed my implant, I had discussed its Removal with Dr. Elist, Dr. Alter, Dr. Rothenthal, Dr. Runels and of course Dr Casavantes and nurse Wade.

I had reached the decision to have Dr. Elist remove it, it was a risk I was willing to take and it seems to have paid off in the near term. Of course going through the Removal process as I had written earlier in my post was a very frightening thing.

I talked to Dr. Runels a few times before and after the Removal of the implant. He really sounded like a great caring person. At this stage and after the ordeal of my implant, I was very skeptical of ALL doctors, so the fact that he seemed like a good guy helped in my decision to try his PRFM treatment. It is very close if not the same as PRP. Your own blood is withdrawn and some stuff is added to it and then it is spun for a specific period of time in a specially designed container that causes some of the blood to separate from the PRFM. The PRFM is then re injected in the penis shaft and the glans. The theory behind it i to fool your body and tell it that this region is damaged and it needs Repair and it forces the body to create fresh and new cells (this is not a medical explanation, it is my understanding) and hence it will cause the penis shaft to enlarge and the glans to also enlarge.

Dr. Runels had planned a trip to San Diego around June of 2011 with his two sons. We talked a few times and we planned to meet in SD for the treatment.

A few things sold me on the PRFM. the Dr seemed like an honest one, there are no known bad side effects (it is your own blood) and he had a money back policy if the treatment does not work.

I flew to SD, a city that I always enjoy, and I met the Dr. in a university setting where they had a medical facility capable of making PRFM.

I went in the room on time, there were couple of guys there waiting and filling some forms.I knew they were in there for the same reason and I tried to talk to them but they were tight lipped, so I decided to fill the forms quietly.

There were about 20 pages to fill out!!!!! yes, the forms asked about many things not even medically related to the treatment. Some of it was funny and some of it was down right strange, eg: what do you set your furnace temperature to? and many others that I can not recall right now. It was very funny and strange but I filled it in and some how enjoyed it being so different.

Dr. Runels came out of one of the room, he is a tall thin handsome man, he moved gracefully across the room and said hi to me and the other guys and he shook my hand. He had long hair that was tied up with a rubber band (I think).

I waited over an hour or two. I did not mind. We were running late and he stayed till about 7 pm to take care of my treatment.

Finally, it was my turn. I went in and we talked for a while. He examined me and he said he is sure he will be able to help. I had mentioned to him the scar tissue and the Peyronies that had developed. He said the treatment should help in this area and will also give me some Girth, length and a larger glans.

He proceeded to insert a needle in my left arm, it went in a bit and then he stopped. I told him to go in deeper but he said it was enough. He proceeded to plug in the vacuumed plastic needle body that would suck some blood into it, it did not work, so I asked him to push the needle in further and he did. The blood then started flowing into the syringe. he took out a bunch of blood, not sure how much but it was the most I ever saw come out of my body. I was not in pain nor was I in fear.......

He went on to inject the blood in the special container, then he added the special fluid to create the PRFM. then he went out and put the blood in the spinning machine. A few minute later, he came back with the container that has two chambers in it. A large one with a lot of blood in it and a smaller chamber on its side with a lesser amount of blood but of different color, a bit darker than regular blood.

He used another syringe to draw the darker blood out, this was the magical PRFM!!

He had previously rubbed a numbing cream on the penis, it took a few minutes and the whole penis felt numb.

Dr. Runels then used a very thin needle to inject the PRFM into the penis shaft in two different locations, about the middle at the 10 o\'clock and near the base on the right hand side of the shaft. He said these are the best areas for injection. It did hurt a bit but was very tolerable.

He then went on to inject the glans. He inserted the needle at the rear of the glans on the top of it, this time it fucking hurt like hell, he apologized and started to take out the needle, I told him to keep going and finish it and he did. He then injected some more on the right side of the glans. This time it did not hurt much at all. It seemed that he had hit a blood vessel in the first location.

After that, He took out a new pump and he told me to pump the penis. I did and I went up to about number 6 on the gauge. It hurt a bit but I kept on going till I hit the 10 mark. This time it hurt a lot, so backed off the vacuum to about #6.

While I was doing this, the Dr. and I were talking about a many different things, he had tried this treatment on himself a few times and he said he gained about an Inch in length and about the same in Girth. He did tell me that some people will see no improvements and some will....

After a few minutes, my penis was fully pumped and it looked great, but I can see bruising had started on the glans where he had hit a blood vessel. I asked him about it, he again said he was sorry to have caused me the pain but not to worry about it.

We talked for another 10 to 15 minutes and it was time to go. I greeted him and left.

I went back to my hotel and relaxed for a bit. I was hungry by then, so I decided to go out and have a nice dinner...

I went out for a walk and I found a nice steak restaurant. I went in and luckily I got a table. It turned out it was one of the best steak houses in SD. While I was having my red wine, I saw a couple of movie stars going in, I did not remember their names but I knew their faces.

I had my steak and it was great and expensive. I went back to my hotel and watched some TV and then I went to sleep.

The glans hurt a lot and the bruising had worsened. But I did not worry too much, I knew it would go away.

Next morning I woke up fine but had some pain in the glans. I went out to get my coffee at Starbucks....there were a lot of beautiful women having coffee there and I spent about an hour there\" people watching\" and then I headed for the airport....

I flew back home and I awaited the results of the PRFM....

A few days went by and the bruised glans got better and better. I did not see any changes but the Dr told me it would take four weeks to see any results.

In the next few weeks, I noticed that the glans did look a bit bigger but I also noticed that the Girth had been going down so I was not sure what was happening.

I called the Dr. and discussed my results. He did say that if nothing happens in a few weeks, he would give me my money back or he would give me another treatment for free.....

I decided to give it some time since I had plans to go for PMMA anyway. About six weeks go by and I see no length or Girth gains. The penis is still curved to the right and upwards.

At this point, I thought that the PRFM did not help me in any noticeable way so I decided to go ahead and schedule a session with Dr. Casavantes and nurse Wade.

The Cost of PRFM

The cost of PRFM was $1900, cost of travel was about $600, total $2500



My Stretching and Pumping Routine

I have two pumps, one is manual and is made by Dr. Kaplan, it was given to me as part of the PRFM treatment by Dr. Runels. The other one was given to me by Dr. Elist and it is powered by batteries.

I also purchased a glans silicone cup stretcher that hooks up to one\'s leg and to be worn under pants for daily stretching.

I would pump in the morning for about 10 minutes, then release pressure for 5 minutes then do another 10 minutes of pumping. I used the manual pump most of the time. I would repeat the same before I went to sleep.

I would use the all day stretcher as long as possible during the day. I would only take it off for pumping, urinating, showers and for sleep.

I think this routine helped in reducing the curvature but it did not eliminate it.

Wade had assured me that the PMMA will help in reducing the curvature.

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To be continued.

@Mustang2020
Great story! I\'m awaiting the next installment! From my limited interactions with Dr. Runels, he does seem to be a caring and honest physician. I cannot make claims on his \"Priapus\" shot. Centrifuged PRFM and PRP contain growth factors. These growth factors are likely the cause of the purported healing properties of PRM/PRFM. As far as permanent penile enlargement, I have my doubts. Dr. Runels is also on TRT (testosterone replacement therapy) among other \"new wave\" ideologies (HGH supplementation). This would increase his likelihood of permanent penile tissue hypertrophy/hyperplasia. This is also why he looks so good for his age! Dr. Runels is in good shape and so are his sons! He eats well, exercises and replaces the hormones that are lost due to the aging process. He is definitely... cutting edge.

THANK YOU!! For all this valuable insight into the PE world .... not to mention the great info that pertains to me (and others) personally!
BTW- yes the wrapping, and silicone \"skin cone\" (from tugging days) is helping to smooth things out quite a bit! Thanks again, talk to you soon