TOPIC: PhalBak - A Highly Innovative Vacuum Device

I had found that blog too. And so far his gains have primarily been in the device. We'll see if Erect gains eventually follow. It's a very well designed unit but everything is custom made so that and the monitoring raise the cost. I would think he, (Phalback),could design a smaller and less expensive version without the monitoring that could produce similar results. It's not hard to put measurements on the pump cylinder, many current ones already do. It will interesting to see how this works for this fellow as he has been in the PE world for some time apparently.

Yea, he says that great measuring is necessary cause the thing makes an automatic pause once you stretched a new high, and this process is like 40x per session if i understood it.

Interesting stuff from the threads covering 5 months of posts:

It's a race to stay ahead of the tissues becoming stronger. Typically around 60 days length stops increasing. Girth can continue because that is a different mechanism.

In the future when someone combines what we do to mechanically soften collagen with a drug to soften the collagen, we might take off to the moon. We know how to organically soften collagen. We forbid this in our contract because of the unknown medical risks, but we know someone is going to try it.

Over a 90 day period we generate about 4 million stretch events which are microscopic and last about 4 milliseconds each. With this we can be relatively gentle. That makes us very slow compared to what you might expect we could do. There are things you can do with automation that are impossible otherwise.

We get in and stretch hard for a few seconds the relax for a few seconds. Within about 30 of those cycles we've gotten almost all of what we are going to get at the time. The machine turns off and the client goes about their day.
Because we are measuring so precisely, we know when the benefit has ceased.
When we demonstrated for Big Al, his very first comment was that our measurement system is the game changer, measuring ever 0.25 seconds.

The max tension is unchanged during the 90 days. I personally experimented with higher levels and the additional stretch was not worth the risk.

Our Girth process is counterintuitive. We select a chamber a little larger than the head to eliminate or minimize any donut. This acts as a hard limit to how far the shaft can stretch radially. You are thinking that Girth growth requires a radial stretch. You can do it that way, but it's super slow as many men have learned. It's an axial stretch while maintaining a fixed diameter that causes a useful stretch. Again, this is completely counterintuitive. Imagine something soft in the shape of a cylinder. Hold it generally in place while pulling the center axially and you will see it pull in and get narrower. Ah, but with the penis in our chamber it cannot pull in axially. The vacuum will not allow it. It's being pulled in while being held out. Hence the stretch. Do the trigonometry on those forces and you see that the tissue gets a whole lot more tension than vacuum alone could ever apply. And safely.

Girth and length happen simultaneously. However their rates vary based on chamber size. If we are contouring for Girth, the length will often step back by 0.1 inches for about a week because we are pulling more tissue out to fill a wider chamber. It makes a sawtooth pattern in the data. When the chamber is wider, more of the tension is diverted into the radial stretch, as described above.

It is not available until we have a clinical partner in an area. At the moment that's Atlanta, Tampa, Nashville, and Baton Rouge. More locations are coming in January. If you have a relationship with a clinic that is already in the "penis" business, we'd appreciate an introduction.

Do not think of your penis as some sort of taffy that will slowly stretch over an hour. Think of it as a natural fiber rope. Imagine giving it a sharp yank which you hold. It might break a few fibers when the tension is applied, but then it's going to do nothing. So let it go slack and do that again. That is how I found that I was making progress, doing that a couple hundred times. I was using vacuum to create the yank, so to call it a yank is overstating it. But I got it tight, then relaxed. Not unlike the manual methods. The advantage over manual methods is that you can automate the application of cyclic tension. Find a real vacuum pump and get a kid with an Arduino to control the pump. Install a vacuum limiting valve and a gauge to get the vacuum right and stay out of the dangerous vacuum levels. With this you can do a cycle probably every two seconds. In 15 minutes that is 450 stretch events. And all of those stretch events are to the exact vacuum and tension you set.
We automate it and find a frequency nearer the harmonic frequency of the penis. That's the complex part of what we do. Yet it allows us to get in more than 20,000 stretch events in a day.

We need to supervise at least two sessions and they must be 7 hours apart. Someone with skills needs to evaluate fit and technique. We leave the machine with the measured chamber size and the next three upsizes. That's over an Inch of Girth with diameter span of 0.375 inches.

Penis harmonics: I found that my penis could be made to "ring", or vibrate at certain frequencies. The science there is pretty clear on how that softens collagen. create waves throughout the tissue that the collagen is unprepared for. Imagine making waves in a pool that are directed to the other side. They will reach the other side then bounce back. The harmonics are frequencies that make the waves build more energy than is lost to heat. If you were to measure the pressure at a fixed depth under the water at the other side, you would find the pressure fluctuating with the wave height. I create waves in the penis that drive the transient tensions within the collagen to fluctuate and hopefully exceed the level needed for a slippage.

It's all at a microscopic level with nearly nothing accomplished. Nearly nothing. But nearly nothing multiplied by hundreds of thousands of times can add up. The hard part is getting it all to happen while staying under the limits of tissue we do not want to be stressed, like the skin and blood system. Without automation I'd call it impossible to operate with that precision. I have both the engineering and controls skills to pull it off. ...The Phalback uses an eccentric rotating mass vibration motor with a frequency of 3600 RPM (60Hz)

In addition to the $20,000 for services, you make a $10,000 rental deposit which is refunded when you return the machine.

Someone "I found the patent. It's pretty impressive and comprehensive, patent number 11517467."

Ok, it's only available in USA, and only in certain places..
And so far he is not looking for people who have fillers if i am right

I guess principles are:
- 2x a day, at least 8h in between, 10-15min
- supershort 'maximum stretch' and then release again, do this 40x (so every about 15seconds
- i guess do this with either/and manual stretches (length) and pump (Girth?)
- lots of more complicated stuff that is not replicable

- first few public logs only now seem to start to be underway
I guess only after like 5 of these we'll start to have a picture

Yup wrote: Is it ok that I link to that here Skeptical_One ?

Of course, if the information is pertinent, relevant, and authentic (within forum rules/guidelines), it's most admissible. The idea is to get all the necessary information we can to be more informed decision makers. Thanks for the link!

@Dream , I think the other key is using a more snug cylinder to concentrate the force on lengthening, then increasing gradually that as growth occurs.

Dream wrote: Yea, he says that great measuring is necessary cause the thing makes an automatic pause once you stretched a new high, and this process is like 40x per session if i understood it.

Interesting stuff from the threads covering 5 months of posts:

In addition to the $20,000 for services, you make a $10,000 rental deposit which is refunded when you return the machine.

Am I reading that correctly: the initial outlay is $30,000?

If a sex store won't take back a dildo, I'm confident a medical facility will not re-use penis equipment, despite both being easily sterilized (the former even more so and cheaper)

Hospitals re-use cystoscopy (bladder camera) equipment. From time to time a patient gets an infection after the procedure. Of course, no one can *prove* it came from inadequate cleaning of the equipment.

edit: I see this was answered downthread, so I'll add "ask your urologist what the diameter of the camera is." The web says modern cameras are 4 or 5mm in diameter. The one they used on me last year was probably an antique; it was the size of my little finger, and I "experienced some discomfort" as the medical practitioners like to put it.

They re use the equipment not he pump cylinders

I contacted them and asked for the device to be delivered to Emirates to a certified clinic, but they refused. I suggested To buy the device for double price and a non-commercial use agreement, but was refused and ignored. I'm inclined to believe that this device is a scam. Until we see real tests and evidence.

Emirates777 wrote: I contacted them and asked for the device to be delivered to Emirates to a certified clinic, but they refused. I suggested To buy the device for double price and a non-commercial use agreement, but was refused and ignored. I'm inclined to believe that this device is a scam. Until we see real tests and evidence.

I don't believe their unwillingness to ship it abroad is sufficient grounds to throw the word "scam" around to be frank, and here's the reason why: the pump is treated as a medical device and thus is prescribed by an American physician and not directly by the company (although to be fair, this too is a little confusing because it appears they possibly deal with repairs, refunds, etc, and I'll have to reach out to them).

If this policy (i.e. requiring a Doctor's Orders) remain consistent today, then it makes complete sense why they wouldn't ship it abroad. They have every reason to make a profit, so denying the transaction for DOUBLE the asking price at your request tells me they take seriously liability and other constraints (e.g. laws), and only a true scammer would have gone through with the transaction in the face of questionable hurdles & possible infractions.

I should note that I could be wrong in my assumption that they denied shipment due to "the rules," but I can't see how turning down double the business in it of itself is scam-like. They could have any other number of reasons, which include the potential costs of having to cover the hefty costs of shipping it back & forth in the need it requires repairs, etc.

User Dickwhitman79 said in a separate Phalback post: "I got a refund before i ever started. They are a professional organization but I think they jumped the gun on their claims." and others have mentioned that the Company has been dialing back on the size emphasis, and finding it to be more effective in treating Erection quality (which in turn can improve maximizing your natural size). Their willingness to change their claims when presented with newer and large sample sizes is a positive thing, when they could have always doubled down on their original claims (and that isn't to say their initial studies were wrong or that you cannot gain actual size with its therapy). Again, these decisions by Phalback seem far less scam-like upon further examination.

As I've stated numerous times previously, they are not a Sponsor and instead a limited time Advertiser on the frontpage -- the distinction is that a Sponsor is endorsed by the PhalloBoards, while limited time advertisers are simply that, ads. If it appears to be a viable and relatively safe alternative to other options here, I'm all for sharing it, but if they aren't a Sponsor, I cannot say that I share any convictions in their guarantees.

I genuinely felt (and still do, despite some of the changes in narrative) that precision manual penis enlargement has the most potential for successful gains (if they are at all possible), since tracking data is so much more accurate and reliable. Phalback represented the first time I've seen this level of precision & engineering in a device intended for the benefits of the penis (be it size and/or Erection quality).

What I'm hoping is to reach out to them this month and see if they are willing to share a forum post (through me or directly themselves) on what Phalback has learned in the past year and what its primary purpose is today.

The fact that that the company is so secretive about the product & pricing is proof that it is a scam in my humble opinion

Northwayac wrote: The fact that that the company is so secretive about the product & pricing is proof that it is a scam in my humble opinion

I vehemently disagree -- and for transparency's sake they are no longer an Advertiser (and were never a Sponsor) here because they have moved on to exploring its potential for erectile dysfunction; that said, they do stand behind its potential to work for some men in terms of penis enlargement if I'm not mistaken. Keyword "potential," as in no "guarantees." I am prefacing this to ensure you I have no monetary incentive or gain by challenging your assertion, and it is being done by my own volition.

A few factors to consider before jumping to such a conclusion -->

#1 Penis pumps, both electric and manual have had an abundance of anecdotal evidence spanning multiple penis enlargement (PE) forums over two decades for increasing size, even if some gains were temporary. While this isn't hard proof, it certainly provides some legitimacy to the claims PhalBack can work.

#2 People have been clamoring for a more scientific/medical examination of PE exercises & devices, because while the penis isn't a muscle, there are plausible reasons to believe physiological mechanisms are at play that are not well understood. Most Research & Development of the penis goes into treating actual medical conditions like Erectile Dysfunction (ED) or Peyronie's Disease, not advancing elective enhancements. PhalBack having taken the approach of engineering a medical-grade device (to ensure the precision & accuracy of measurements like pressure) with a digital component that can anonymously track data among all its users, is the kind of innovation that helps further validate (or possibly invalidate) the merits of PE exercises & devices... and by extension (no pun intended), bring more interest to the field. There was a demand for this kind of thing, and I find the efforts made to engineer, construct, patent, and program such a thing in conjunction with having it issued through Medical Practices is too elaborate, expensive, and niche to be worthwhile for a scammer. Now I could be wrong, but I'm trying to paint a bigger picture here as to why comments like the one you made might be premature.

#3 The secrecy of product pricing as your main contention completely disregards how the device is actually sold. You see, in order for PhalBack to be regarded as a legitimate medical device (and not a scam gimmick as you propose), it needs to be prescribed by a physician, who ultimately provides pricing at their respective Offices & Clinics. And frankly, I can't see why a Doctor's Office would provide you a quote until you come in for consultation, because for all we know, there could a plethora of alternative treatments better suited for your specific ailment (in this case, erectile dysfunction now being the primary use of the PhalBack device). In other words, PhalBack is the wholesaler and wholesalers traditionally don't release prices -- this isn't secrecy, it's conventional business practice, especially for something relatively niche & unique.

If you want to a take a closer examination, you'll see that if anyone is or should be issuing prices, it would be the Doctors prescribing PhalBack. They too may have reasons to keep prices close to the chest. If they price-quote someone an amount outside of their budget, it could have the inadvertent effect of making them lose interest in what could be a necessary medical evaluation of ED (which may not even require the implementation of PhalBack). While this is my speculation, I could see the plausibility of the following reasons as to why it could be hard to get a straight price quote before ever entering the consultation room: (1) specialized treatments are expensive and sticker shock could alienate those who still ought to undergo examination regardless (and it's not like you can't ask for alternative treatment options if it's too costly); and (2) speaking of expensive, if PhalBack gets medical-device designation and is prescribed for ED, it MAY be partially or fully covered by health insurance (so disclosing the price before consultation would be unnecessary), and (3) they don't want to give the impression that patients can just come in asking for it when it may not end up being the best solution for their specific circumstances (as in, I'm sure there are guys out there who want to get their hands on this with money to spare, for the purposes of penis enlargement even still).

If I were to share any skepticism, it would be whether or not PhalBack has any merit with respect to ED, because the statistics they had prior and during its run as a PE device allegedly demonstrated tangible gains in length and Girth. The ED market is vastly more lucrative (think how huge Viagra was when it was first released), and penis enlargement remains ultra niche (unfortunately), although that has been changing in recent times.

My sincere guess is that they have some reports of improved ED from their users and began investigating this direction -- found some credibility to it and repurposed it for a broader market (it's easier to sell ED solutions than PE solutions to most Doctors). Whether or not it is a "scam" in terms of its efficacy and success for ED I can't possibly know, and it would be irresponsible for me to state as such. At most, I can question their motives for making this change (from PE to ED) when it was clearly intended for penile augmentation at first (or at least, that's how I understood it). To be fair, ED could have been in mind too from the very beginning as a possible use in addition to (or separate from) PE, but all this ends up being is speculation and I won't tread more on the "ED" side of this device.

I know this is more than I would normally write about a device that is no longer pertinent to the overall PE discussion, especially as they are no longer even Advertisers. However, as my username implies, I'm as skeptical as any and therefore the use of words like "proof" and "scam" in the same breath carries slanderous undertones that I take very seriously. Be mindful when making said-claim(s) without some hard facts, or at minimum some credible evidence. Be sure to have the big picture and full context, and lay it out instead of making sweeping statements that can be unfairly damaging to a brand that has not done anything (as of now) to deserve it.

Could it have been a scam (for PE and/or ED)? Sure, anything's possible, but let's be more "humble" about our "humble opinions" (as you put it), respectfully.
Given that the PhalBack has fallen out of the scope of PhalloBoards discussion, and any further commentary is either off-topic or speculation, I am going to lock this thread.
The necessitation of this reply was meant not just in response to User "Northwayac," but as a PSA for all who may come across this to be reminded on how serious a matter it is to make comments using "proof" and "scam" without any basis -- as well as the need to refute the comment with what we do know (even if some of my bullet-points contained some speculation), so as to make clear that the PhalloBoards does not embrace the sentiment shared by member Northwayac. Could I have deleted Northwayac's comment? Sure, but I prefer not censoring dialog if [1] it isn't an egregious violation of Forum Rules or [2] it allows me the opportunity to remind the Forum of posting etiquette.