TOPIC: New HA filler claiming to last up to 5 years

Think.
[The only complication of Nodule formation and other irregularities can be overcome by an improved injection technique and better postimplantation care.]

It would be the postimplantation care (moulding) rather than the injection technique. A layer is being filled with a liquid that can move around until it stabilises. It is not the same as having filler in the cheeks where it will near enough stay in the same spot unless manipulated away from that spot.

Androfill wrote: For HA yes. From the first 1,000 we had:
- 7 granuloma
- 5 infections
- 1 allergic reaction
- 2 significant filler migrations

Thanks for the info!

Androfill wrote: It should not be squishy, if it is then it might not have been the right HA, or the filler injection or aftercare was poor.

Well, costa said it was, and you guys did his. He had it dissolved. The report of squishiness is \"not infrequent\" from all the cases I\'ve read about, and guys I personally communicated with who had it. And this is voluma. This was also the major complaint in the original korean HA study. Dunno about ultra deep. Why are so many practices using voluma if this is so good?

Androfill wrote: No problems from Ellanse yet but the sample size is tiny. At least 100 cases in a sample over 2-3 years... would that be reasonable.

Thanks again for the info. Combined with Dr oats almost 2 years experience plus morganster 7 months, so far so good it seems. I hope it continues to go this way, because I believe like @chester that it is superior in terms long lasting and feeling 100 percent natural when Flaccid and Erect.

Patients could use Teoysal Ultra Deep which is a very hard HA. I think a few patients from this forum have tried it though Androfill, but, it is hard to dissolve away (which negates the whole point of HA) and can only be injected a few ml at a time, and it is quite painful for up to 1 month (it wants to hold its shape).

[Thanks again for the info. Combined with Dr oats almost 2 years experience plus morganster 7 months, so far so good it seems. I hope it continues to go this way, because I believe like @chester that it is superior in terms long lasting and feeling 100 percent natural when flaccid and erect.]

I hope so too.
I think Voluma injected correctly and with good aftercare is fine when erect. What do Dr O\'s HA patients say? If it is squishy when erect the patients should get in touch This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and have it fixed.
Patients could use Teoysal Ultra Deep which is a very hard HA. I think a few patients from this forum have tried it though Androfill, but, it is hard to dissolve away (which negates the whole point of HA) and can only be injected a few ml at a time, and it is quite painful for up to 1 month (it wants to hold its shape).

Androfill wrote: If it is squishy when erect the patients should get in touch This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. and have it fixed.

This was from one of your other patients:

I am becoming more used to the new feel of my penis but now that it has reached its new normal state i can say that i can definitely feel the filler. When soft the consistency can vary from a gel-like feel when its warmer to a harder gummy bear feel when cooler. When hard its also detectable it feels like a padding layer, softer than the erection. I am surprised actually, i was expecting voluma to feel much firmer but at this stage i think this is what its going to stay like.

Later in the thread he says it feels \"natural enough\" .... sounds like he\'s trying to convince himself

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/vol...uk-8413557?&trail=15

[Later in the thread he says it feels \"natural enough\" .... sounds like he\'s trying to convince himself]

This is also how I would personally describe it \'natural enough\'. I think hard to detect unless you know what to look for (as a third party) or unless you have a bad result. In terms of the patient himself, most of the sensation is in the head so the experience of sex is not a lot different except perhaps snugly fitting.

What was more relevant about the post was the below, that the filler is not uniformly dissolving, in his case it goes quickly from the base. HA is certainly not toxic if absorbed quickly. But it is a hassle to have to keep refilling one area.

It reminded me of two things I had previously discussed regarding Ellanse, and I apologise I did not get good explanations, although I am sure someone knows and maybe it is a red herring.
1. If there is uneven biosorption of the filler, for example it degrades more quickly towards the head, is it as easy to break through the layer of Ellanse with the cannula from the pubis to refill that area, or, in this case, would you inject from the head back to even out the size.
2. Is this layer between the dartos and bucks being closed up by Ellanse for the duration of the filler, or for good, and does that matter... perhaps material can always be forced in there regardless of a blockage? I imagine it is hard to break through Ellanse with the cannula. On the other hand, plenty of chaps are having multiple sessions of PMMA presumably the cannula is finding its way through this layer just as easily in subsequent sessions as in the first round and is not being blocked by the existing filler.

[Hey all sorry missed a few questions recently, so there\'s good news and bad news. Overall it seems to be reabsorbing slowly and I must still have a fair amount of the orinial voluma from 18 months ago, perhaps 40%? The bad news is that this is not true for all the shaft! The base needs toping up every 6 months which is very annoying I have no idea whether it\'s reabsorbed there or if its moving. And if its moving where is it going?? Hopefully not into the rest of the body! Also it doesn\'t dissolve uniformly. After 6 months I start noticing hollow spots here and there and refilling them is not easy. Really hard to explain to the Dr where he needs to refill.

So it\'s a mixed bag, a lot of hassle and money but at the same time I do now have a pretty huge Dick! Can\'t wait for a longer lasting and cheaper filler though.]

Androfill wrote: This is also how I would personally describe it \'natural enough\'. I think hard to detect unless you know what to look for (as a third party) or unless you have a bad result. In terms of the patient himself, most of the sensation is in the head so the experience of sex is not a lot different except perhaps snugly fitting.

There were other\'s who had women make comments as well, and I\'m sure I can find the quote, so it\'s not just in his head. This was your patient and after reading his comments in total, including the part about it being insanely expensive to keep up, I just don\'t find it encouraging.

My personal experience with 10ml real Voluma within the first month was that it was only somewhat noticeable when not Erect. When Erect, it was hard and not noticeable at all. After the first month, I seemed to have metabolized most of it. That, or it moved deep in my groin due to repeat sex with a tight partner, I honestly don't know. Or maybe it's all there and my gains are just super slight? Sounds unlikely. I still have a very thin layer (maybe 1/8 to 1/4' in areas) that only I can feel, but it would take a highly experienced eye for anyone else to notice it. I am considering another round to see if my body will keep it longer this time (I'm only a few months out from my first procedure and have to say it was great initially). Otherwise, Voluma might not be for me.

by chance I just read mato23\'s description of Belotero and he used the \"padded Dick\" description. When i\'m 100 percent Erect it feels like a rock... personally i don\'t want anything that feels like padding, but thats me.

aleksk wrote: @think Also, let\'s not lose perspective here. You may feel like a rock when hard, but you\'re CUT. \'mato\' or I are not. Let me go back to my most basic point under 1) above.

@aleksk I\'m not losing perspective of anything, before you brought up uncut guys I was specifically talking about voluma, and how it\'s expensive and not ideal for some guys--and I gave example of two guys who were also CUT and not satisfied with it.

Anyway, glad you broke your silence, hope you have some good ideas to contribute. They seem to be needed.

This is a great thread, great to hear experienced discussions. Question: I thought Voluma, although an HA filler, was specifically designed not to absorb water like other versions of HA fillers? Is this not the case?