TOPIC: THE TRUTH.

I have to agree with SO. As far as pricing, that\'s up to AD to determine based on what they think their services, expertise, and reputation is worth. There are guys paying 10K and up for 15ml of HA in the NYC area, and they\'re happy with it. Compared to that the cost of a perm solution (if things go well for you with PMMA) is a bargain.

AD is very aware of this form and the feedback they get here. Risking that by using crappy material or questionable practices just does not make sense. Using that logic, I would definitely WANT their input and guidance on how much filler to use, and when to stop. If you ask to see what they\'re using, go for it. If you get a quote for a certain number of CC\'s and then end up getting less based on their judgement of whats best, ask them up front if they\'d be willing adjust the price should that occur.

If I remember correctly, M8 during his sessions had seen the sealed PMMA packaging and he was fully aware of how many CC he got.

I never saw the actual packaging, I did see and counted the ready made PMMA syringes and I was OK when Dr C had said I got enough, my unit looked like a balloon by then. Having said that, I DID have one 10% round that had minimum to no increase in Girth, of course wasn\'t happy about it!

Overall, I was happy with my sessions, I can\'t speak of how they are operating right now. I do understand, but I don\'t like, the increase in prices. They have a good practice and they are free to increase prices to make more money...That is business!

Although I am not going for another session due to the higher prices.

Lexus27 wrote: I have no problem with members coming to dr.c defense but don\'t try to tell me I\'m bugging because i simply pointed out Facts. It\'s about time somebody should. For the record I\'ve never stated that dr.c doesn\'t know what he\'s doing. Also i bet most of the guys who have gotten PMMA back in 2011,12,13 etc when it was a different price would have had something to say about the situation now. Truth is i doubt they would. Most of the guys from this forum don\'t really care as long as they have a big unit. Again i can bet anyone on this forum those prices will go up again. Will i go to dr.c hmmm idk maybe but me questioning certain things does not take away from who he is and his practice. I guess when we find better options he\'s shit out of luck.

What facts did you point out? I don\'t know if they still do this but for a while they had the boxes / needles / everything right next to the procedure bed in plain sight. Does your dentist show you whether the lidocaine/teeth whitener/etc he\'s using is legit or not? This clinic has had an unprecedented level of transparency which can be demonstrated through actual first-hand progress reporting.

So I ask again, what facts do you speak of? I\'m not even sure what you\'re trying to get at to be honest.

@skeptical one. You have to read what i wrote. #Facts guys don\'t get what they pay for. #Facts There are guys who are smaller and bigger but recieved the same amount of cc\'s. #Facts 10% isn\'t shit. #Facts guys talking about your paying for skill but meanwhile there\'s a new person injecting your penis with PMMA? What\'s her actual experience besides dr.c training her? #Facts PMMA is bought from Brazil which is dirt cheap so for guys not to get what they pay for is ridiculous which still saves them more on top of the rised prices. You cannot tell me skeptical one that it\'s fair that two guys with different penis length to receive the same amount. There\'s tons of evidence on that here.

Also that whole logic behind injecting less for esthetic reasons is crap also. Guys still came out wit unevenness and lumps. So it really doesn\'t matter. It\'s called saving money #Facts.

Lexus27 wrote: I have no problem with members coming to dr.c defense but don\'t try to tell me I\'m bugging because i simply pointed out Facts. It\'s about time somebody should. For the record I\'ve never stated that dr.c doesn\'t know what he\'s doing. Also i bet most of the guys who have gotten pmma back in 2011,12,13 etc when it was a different price would have had something to say about the situation now. Truth is i doubt they would. Most of the guys from this forum don\'t really care as long as they have a big unit. Again i can bet anyone on this forum those prices will go up again. Will i go to dr.c hmmm idk maybe but me questioning certain things does not take away from who he is and his practice. I guess when we find better options he\'s shit out of luck.

You asked about the packaging and several people have said they were shown it. So isn\'t that the answer you were looking for?

You then said you\'ve never see anyone say they got the full 20 CC\'s, yet there are plenty of people who have had more than 20 cc\'s. Avanti Derma even replied and said they \"recommend up to 20 cc\'s\", which should tell you why occasionally people receive more.

I\'ve since read some of your history and now understand why you are so suspicious, having been ripped off in the past. I\'m sorry that happened to you. But ultimately you are taking your frustration out on people that are just very reasonably pointing out why things are the way they are.

I\'m sure Avanti Derma would give you the extra PMMA to take home with you if they didn\'t use the full 20 cc. I\'m not being facetious when I say that. Wouldn\'t that end your concerns about them trying to rip you off and then if you don\'t get the gains you wanted (as we know everyone reacts to PMMA differently), then at least you will have the peace of mind of knowing it wasn\'t due to being conned, but simply because your body didn\'t stimulate collagen as well as some others do.

For those who, like myself, were unaware, Lexus wasted $6500 with Dr Loria, which explains why he is particularly concerned with getting something for his money, so we should cut the guy come slack if he seems a little tetchy:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/had...3047&highlight=loria

Lexus27 wrote: Also that whole logic behind injecting less for esthetic reasons is crap also. Guys still came out wit unevenness and lumps. So it really doesn\'t matter. It\'s called saving money #Facts.

No its called inherent risks of having these procedures. People respond differently. Take HA for an example. You know that the satisfaction rate goes from hating it and having it dissolved because if feels too \"squishy\" to some guys saying its firm, they love it, and they get more. And varying results even with the same dr... this is the nature of what we\'re dealing with.

Well the only thing for left for me to do is go and find out. I\'m sure i will soon enough as i never had a problem until recently things wasn\'t sitting right with me. Anyways thanks guys for your responses and input. All will be considered.

biggy wrote:
Really? Maybe reread some of the stuff you\'ve posted in replies to me.

\"Freudian slip....MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what \"ii on offer\", then simply go somewhere else.


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and now:

\"Scary...

Why would you use fear of rejection \"but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business\" that is a questionable action.

Why instill fear in people? Why even mention that! What was you objective? What purpose does it serve?

So your saying don\'t question something that might be import to some one because they might reject you! I call shenanigans !


Something is rotten in the state of denmark !\"

Be honest, are you really not trying to be a Dick, as it seems you are going out of your way to be one?

The vast majority of you posts are protective of Avanti Derma.

Simply Put Why?

Skeptical One wrote:
My forum has been built around the transparent exchange & presentation of information, relying on straight-to-your-face real life experiences instead of penis-pill popup ads. My forum does not push anything, our users, however, may largely have benefited from Dr. C\'s practice --> word-of-mouth propagated by independent users is not the forum\'s fault or responsibility. That\'s like criticizing Yelp the company for a good or bad review of a restaurant.

The (much newer) Commercial Accounts are not owned by a sole account holder, and is open to future doctors and clinics (thus creating healthy competition right here on these forums). They are here to help support the forum financially and they\'ve all been told that I\'m under no obligation to censor material against them or to shill positively for them.

You have been here as long as you have, surprised this isn\'t more apparent.



Never said you or anyone was \"dumb.\" Was instead perplexed by the 100th inquiry demanding Avanti Derma reveal products/boxes/cc\'s/etc when they\'ve only become increasingly transparent over the years. Hell, with this forum\'s exposure, they had become increasingly obliged to come clean and it appears they\'ve maintained that as it pertains to their products/materials/boxes/etc.

I\'m equally perplexed when members pursue state-side physicians like Dr. Elist & Dr. Loria and don\'t challenge the clinic for information/patent-proof/products/cc\'s/etc but are quick to question the professionalism & ethics of doctors abroad. Not saying you\'re doing this, but by first-hand accounts we know that most state-side patients seldom report demanding nearly the same from international physicians. Just an observation.



Not sure this makes much sense. PMMA is a permanent filler, thus there is eventually a cap for volume & aesthetics. Anyone who has sought north of 4 rounds is likely doing revision/small touch-ups and not full sessions. The real \"keep them coming back\" business is in temporary fillers. Hence why the American market bashes permanent fillers, it potentially eats away at return-customers.

Some people may be salty that they didn\'t get 20cc\'s in the first round, but hats off to Avanti Derma if they\'re actually reining back what some considered questionable years ago (initial over-injecting which lead to increased aesthetic issues). The idea that they may be saving a few bucks here or there because they opted with 15cc\'s instead of 20cc\'s is what\'s truly ludicrous. You can see right here within many years of progress reports about changes in methodology & technique that the best approach is to make a game-time decision once your unit is examined on an actual procedure table.

Until a credible member has witnessed product/device tampering at this particular clinic, such musings on topics like these are trivial when there is nearly a decade of progress reporting.

I\'m equally perplexed when members pursue state-side physicians like Dr. Elist & Dr. Loria and don\'t challenge the clinic for information/patent-proof/products/cc\'s/etc but are quick to question the professionalism & ethics of doctors abroad. Not saying you\'re doing this, but by first-hand accounts we know that most state-side patients seldom report demanding nearly the same from international physicians. Just an observation.


I posted Dr.Loria\'s patent on this forum! It\'s super long here the link.

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/dr-...25121?pid=1305345584

FYI another Con-artist

Avanti Derma wrote: Hello Lexus27,

If you have ever received our information package you can clearly read that we recommend UP TO 20 cc\'s per session with the concentrations 10% & 30%.

We wish we could fill your penis with as much filler as you want, however; your penis is not a balloon that can be filled with huge amounts. Besides, do you really know how PMMA works? If you like we can give you detailed information on how PMMA promotes your own collagen which is what really makes the enhancement.

Every patient is awake during the procedure, they can ask to see the filler, the packaging, the stickers with the lot number and count the syringes themselves if they like. The filler is inside of the patients and their results are real.


You can ask any patient of us about their Avanti Derma experience, you can ask about our facilities and the professionalism of our team. We are really ( without bragging) offering a first world experience to each patient.

It is also true that we are not the only option, we have that clear, but we are one of the few practices that have always been honest, transparent and informative about the options we offer.

We invite you to DM us if you require more information.

Regards,

Avanti Derma Team.

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Dr Morales, MD
www.avantiderma.com
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US Phone lines: (619) 308-7268 or 7269.

\"We wish we could fill your penis with as much filler as you want, however; your penis is not a balloon that can be filled with huge amounts. Besides, do you really know how PMMA works? If you like we can give you detailed information on how PMMA promotes your own collagen which is what really makes the enhancement.\"

The penis is technically a dual chambered balloon. The skin being the packaging or the third balloon. So it\'s kinda like a balloon with with two balloons on the inside the Corpus Cavernosum in the inside. Why a medically trained Doctor like Morales would make such a dumb statement is beyond me. The limiting factor as Dr.C has said on his YouTube videos is what the skin can accommodate. Let use a simple explanation for every one with out all the medical jargon.

How The Penis Works The Technology of an Erection Erections work kind of like a balloon filled with pressurized blood instead of pressurized air.HOWSTUFFWORKS.COMWhen you want to move nearly any part of your body, you do it using muscles. Whether you\'re moving your fingers, toes, arms or legs, muscles do the work. Even when you stick your tongue out, you do it using muscles:You think about moving some part of your body.The appropriate muscles contract.That part of the body moves.Muscles let you move your body voluntarily with precise control. The penis, on the other hand, is completely different. There are no muscle contractions involved in making the penis erect. To become erect, the penis instead uses pressure. The penis handles two tasks: urination and ejaculation.HOWSTUFFWORKS.COMProbably the easiest way to understand how the penis becomes erect is to think about a balloon. If a balloon has no air in it, it\'s limp. As you inflate a limp balloon with just a little air, it becomes elongated and rigid.The penis uses a similar mechanism, but instead of using pressurized air to become rigid, the penis uses pressurized blood. The penis contains two cigar-shaped structures, called corpora cavernosa (singular: corpus cavernosum), that it uses to become erect.Think of the corpora cavernosa as balloonlike tubes. Arteries' bring blood into these two tubes, and veins carry blood away from them. The penis can be either limp or erect, depending on the flow of blood:In a non-erect state, the arteries that transport b'lood into the corpora cavernosa are somewhat constricted, while the veins that drain the blood from the penis are open. There is no way for pressure to build inside the penis. In this state, the penis is limp.When a man becomes aroused, the arteries leading into the penis open up so that pressurized blood can enter the penis quickly. The veins leaving the penis constrict. Pressurized blood is trapped in the corpora cavernosa, and this blood causes the penis to elongate and stiffen. The penis is erect.If the arteries leading to the penis don\'t open up properly, it\'s difficult or impossible for a man\'s penis to become erect. This problem is the leading cause of erectile dysfunction (ED).

biggy wrote:
You asked about the packaging and several people have said they were shown it. So isn\'t that the answer you were looking for?

You then said you\'ve never see anyone say they got the full 20 CC\'s, yet there are plenty of people who have had more than 20 cc\'s. Avanti Derma even replied and said they \"recommend up to 20 cc\'s\", which should tell you why occasionally people receive more.

I\'ve since read some of your history and now understand why you are so suspicious, having been ripped off in the past. I\'m sorry that happened to you. But ultimately you are taking your frustration out on people that are just very reasonably pointing out why things are the way they are.

I\'m sure Avanti Derma would give you the extra PMMA to take home with you if they didn\'t use the full 20 cc. I\'m not being facetious when I say that. Wouldn\'t that end your concerns about them trying to rip you off and then if you don\'t get the gains you wanted (as we know everyone reacts to PMMA differently), then at least you will have the peace of mind of knowing it wasn\'t due to being conned, but simply because your body didn\'t stimulate collagen as well as some others do.

For those who, like myself, were unaware, Lexus wasted $6500 with Dr Loria, which explains why he is particularly concerned with getting something for his money, so we should cut the guy come slack if he seems a little tetchy:

phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/had...3047&highlight=loria

From fear to compassion. Lexus27 could have shared that information himself if he so chose. The information is public knowledge on here. You just have to look and read.

cargo wrote:
The vast majority of you posts are protective of Avanti Derma.

Simply Put Why?

I\'ve given legitimate reasons/answers to questions posed here. It\'s called being reasonable. There is nothing I\'ve said to promote or protect Avanti Derma.

You\'ve been deliberately hostile and made silly accusations.

cargo wrote:
From fear to compassion. Lexus27 could have shared that information himself if he so chose. The information is public knowledge on here. You just have to look and read.

Now you are just being totally pathetic. I\'m sure it\'s obvious to everyone, Lexus included, that I was trying to put his skepticism in context.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder for no reason.

biggy wrote:
Now you are just being totally pathetic. I\'m sure it\'s obvious to everyone, Lexus included, that I was trying to put his skepticism in context.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder for no reason.

So first you use pathetic in regards to me and you state that I have a chip on my shoulder about you.

I never resorted to calling anyone names unlike you. On occasion when I have chip on my shoulder I use to motivate myself for more success and consistency. Questions are a good thing. Knowledge is power. Fear holds people back. Helping others is altruistic.

You make assumptions about what others may think about me to support your point. With no proof. That\'s failed logic and demonstrates primitive thinking.