TOPIC: THE TRUTH.

People need to know that what you read here, or the initial conversation regarding CC\'s may actually change once inside the procedure room. Once there, plans may be modified once your penis is examined in person. As it should be.

And I\'ve seen these posts every year about \"did you see the box/label/etc?\" While I understand the concern traveling abroad for cosmetic procedures, I can\'t help but think how ridiculous the concern is in 2018 (as it concerns Avanti Derma). There were valid questions in 2011 & 2012 when Dr. C & team were relatively new to the scene, but now they are so well established that I\'m scratching my head that threads like these are still being made without any sort of new evidence suggesting unethical practices.

Dr N showed me the first time without me saying anything.
Second time i didn\'t look.
Third time i did take a quick look.
She just has the syringes filled prepared.

@skeptical one. Of course you would say that based on how your forum has been mainly built off of pushing dr.c and pmma. Remember I\'m no spring chicken. I registered in 2011 and watched,listened and observed. No one is attacking dr.c skill or character but i wouldn\'t be a honest man to myself and other men on board who hasn\'t noticed certain things. Bottom line regardless of what you or dr.c says if guys pay full price they should get just that in regards to cc\'s. Skeptical one I\'m not dumb, neither is alot of these guys on this forum. The objective is to keep you coming back. If everyone was to get what they want in one or two rounds then business can\'t capitalize 3-4 times as much if you come back 4+ times. Also everyone saying you paying for skill just sounds ridiculous.
These docs are not doing transplants. If that\'s the case then we might as well say the same thing for elist and Loria because both are air heads.. So yes it\'s 2018 and some of the same concerns are brought up from 2011-2012 but you have alot of new members who won\'t go back that far to read. 10% doesn\'t give you shit and you know it. Especially for someone flying halfway across the globe. I wouldn\'t have said this before years ago but now prices have gone up and men are leaving out from there with less. Now for those who are saying you pay for skill then why dr. Moreles?? If you so concerned about skill. Most of these guys don\'t even know her track record or to lazy to read back from when she first came on the scene.

@Lexus27 Honestly, I\'m not following your logic at all here. You think the doctor should just put his reputation & ethics on the line just because people waltz in the office and say I want the maximum CC\'s @ 30%? No. Those will be the same people that get back here and say they weren\'t satisfied with the results. He\'s the doctor, you\'re the patient, and you have to believe he has your best interests at , and if you go back through all the past PMMA logs, you\'ll see that a lot of people were satisfied with their results.It\'s simple supply & demand my friend. The number of doctors who are doing this procedure is low, therefore the practice can dictate the prices. Competition and other procedures would drive the price down. There\'s plenty of things to criticize about these procedures, but I think this is irrelevant, and you\'re completely missing the mark here.

Correction i think you are missing the mark. Go back and look at past post with guys who wasn\'t satisfied with less. I think it\'s about even. As far as you not agreeing with me doesn\'t bother me at all. This is simply a discussion. Now do i agree dr.c is the best out, hell yea but you\'re missing the point. Good day sir..

Lexus27 wrote: @skeptical one. Of course you would say that based on how your forum has been mainly built off of pushing dr.c and pmma. Remember I\'m no spring chicken. I registered in 2011 and watched,listened and observed. No one is attacking dr.c skill or character but i wouldn\'t be a honest man to myself and other men on board who hasn\'t noticed certain things. Bottom line regardless of what you or dr.c says if guys pay full price they should get just that in regards to cc\'s. Skeptical one I\'m not dumb, neither is alot of these guys on this forum. The objective is to keep you coming back. If everyone was to get what they want in one or two rounds then business can\'t capitalize 3-4 times as much if you come back 4+ times. Also everyone saying you paying for skill just sounds ridiculous.
These docs are not doing transplants. If that\'s the case then we might as well say the same thing for elist and Loria because both are air heads.. So yes it\'s 2018 and some of the same concerns are brought up from 2011-2012 but you have alot of new members who won\'t go back that far to read. 10% doesn\'t give you shit and you know it. Especially for someone flying halfway across the globe. I wouldn\'t have said this before years ago but now prices have gone up and men are leaving out from there with less. Now for those who are saying you pay for skill then why dr. Moreles?? If you so concerned about skill. Most of these guys don\'t even know her track record or to lazy to read back from when she first came on the scene.

No it is\'t the bottom line. The procedure being offered doesn\'t guarantee 20 cc\'s, that\'s the bottom line. You can\'t argue against that. It\'s just a fact.

If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what ii on offer, then simply go somewhere else.

You could always email Avanti Derma and ask them if they will guarantee to inject you with 20cc of 30%, but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business.

I don\'t personally think this is completely irrelevant. I do agree as I stated before Advanti Derma has market on this so they can charge what they like. You have screw loose if think that package price should be the same for everyone if one guy gets 12 cc \'s of product and another gets 18cc\'s of product.

A flat package price with a limit on product solves the problem of smaller Dick verses larger Dick one gets more one gets less both dicks are treated the same HA HA! I thought that was funny. How ever it also can viewed as predatory or discriminatory. Someone get less product because his ding-a-ling can\'t accommodate it but he get charged the same as the guy with the Anaconda who\'s Dick can accommodate it. Facts be told it\'s predatory/discriminatory. That is just what think. There is complete logic talking to the Doctor and accepting the fact of what in reality is safe (still kinda in uncharted territory on that one with PMMA long term on that one)and what you penis can fit etc.

I\'m not trying be a Dick in my posts I just try see it from both sides and offer things people should think about. I wish I would have done PMMA a long time ago when it was cheaper. I waited initially because of long term safety concerns of PMMA. I had the money twice all cash enough for 3 procedures then other things came up in my life that I had to spend the money on Dam Kids and Medical bills not cover by insurance etc at that time I shitty medical insurance and was going though a separation/Big D as in divorce etc. For the record I Love My Kids!

Now I got the money again I just need to work on scheduling between work and my kids. So honestly the new pricing pisses me off. Please guys spare me the ill conceived logic on your justifications as to pricing it\'s not gonna stick. I\'m guessing I will just go with it cause it is what it is.

@Skeptical One I think the reason this comes up again because another clinic offers supposed large amounts of PMMA at a set price. People read that and they are like WTF! I would never go there or endorse them or their proprietary form of PMMA they say is trade marked. I found no documentation of this product anywhere I even called them out on this in series email exchanges they totally just ignore my questions stated it\'s trade marked and manufactured in Italy. One person I spoke on the phone to implied that Avanti Derma (not stated directly but referred to the other clinic in Tijuana) watered down their PMMA. I asked if they had proof they said not really I was pretty much done with phone call at time. I wasn\'t impressed. I asked if they had published information on the product they used they never answered. I also found no trade mark info anywhere after many searches.

biggy wrote:
No it is\'t the bottom line. The procedure being offered doesn\'t guarantee 20 cc\'s, that\'s the bottom line. You can\'t argue against that. It\'s just a fact.

If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what ii on offer, then simply go somewhere else.

You could always email Avanti Derma and ask them if they will guarantee to inject you with 20cc of 30%, but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business.

Freudian slip....MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what \"ii on offer\", then simply go somewhere else.


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cargo wrote:
Freudian slip....MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what \"ii on offer\", then simply go somewhere else.


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Obviously I meant \"is\", not \"ii\".

Shouldn\'t have been too hard for you to figure out as \"is\" is the only word that fits the sentence.

IS on offer....huh!

biggy wrote:
No it is\'t the bottom line. The procedure being offered doesn\'t guarantee 20 cc\'s, that\'s the bottom line. You can\'t argue against that. It\'s just a fact.

If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what ii on offer, then simply go somewhere else.

You could always email Avanti Derma and ask them if they will guarantee to inject you with 20cc of 30%, but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business.

Scary...

Why would you use fear of rejection \"but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business\" that is a questionable action.

Why instill fear in people? Why even mention that! What was you objective? What purpose does it serve?

So your saying don\'t question something that might be import to some one because they might reject you! I call shenanigans !


Something is rotten in the state of denmark !

Maybe I need to rethink going there....

cargo wrote: I\'m not trying be a Dick in my posts.

Really? Maybe reread some of the stuff you\'ve posted in replies to me.

\"Freudian slip....MAYBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you can\'t afford the procedure or think it\'s too expensive for what \"ii on offer\", then simply go somewhere else.


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and now:

\"Scary...

Why would you use fear of rejection \"but be aware that they have every right to say \"no\" and turn away your business\" that is a questionable action.

Why instill fear in people? Why even mention that! What was you objective? What purpose does it serve?

So your saying don\'t question something that might be import to some one because they might reject you! I call shenanigans !


Something is rotten in the state of denmark !\"

Be honest, are you really not trying to be a Dick, as it seems you are going out of your way to be one?

Lexus27 wrote: @skeptical one. Of course you would say that based on how your forum has been mainly built off of pushing dr.c and PMMA.

My forum has been built around the transparent exchange & presentation of information, relying on straight-to-your-face real life experiences instead of penis-pill popup ads. My forum does not push anything, our users, however, may largely have benefited from Dr. C\'s practice --> word-of-mouth propagated by independent users is not the forum\'s fault or responsibility. That\'s like criticizing Yelp the company for a good or bad review of a restaurant.

The (much newer) Commercial Accounts are not owned by a sole account holder, and is open to future doctors and clinics (thus creating healthy competition right here on these forums). They are here to help support the forum financially and they\'ve all been told that I\'m under no obligation to censor material against them or to shill positively for them.

You have been here as long as you have, surprised this isn\'t more apparent.

Lexus27 wrote: Skeptical one I\'m not dumb, neither is alot of these guys on this forum.

Never said you or anyone was \"dumb.\" Was instead perplexed by the 100th inquiry demanding Avanti Derma reveal products/boxes/cc\'s/etc when they\'ve only become increasingly transparent over the years. Hell, with this forum\'s exposure, they had become increasingly obliged to come clean and it appears they\'ve maintained that as it pertains to their products/materials/boxes/etc.

I\'m equally perplexed when members pursue state-side physicians like Dr. Elist & Dr. Loria and don\'t challenge the clinic for information/patent-proof/products/cc\'s/etc but are quick to question the professionalism & ethics of doctors abroad. Not saying you\'re doing this, but by first-hand accounts we know that most state-side patients seldom report demanding nearly the same from international physicians. Just an observation.

Lexus27 wrote: The objective is to keep you coming back. If everyone was to get what they want in one or two rounds then business can\'t capitalize 3-4 times as much if you come back 4+ times. Also everyone saying you paying for skill just sounds ridiculous.

Not sure this makes much sense. PMMA is a permanent filler, thus there is eventually a cap for volume & aesthetics. Anyone who has sought north of 4 rounds is likely doing Revision/small touch-ups and not full sessions. The real \"keep them coming back\" business is in temporary fillers. Hence why the American market bashes permanent fillers, it potentially eats away at return-customers.

Some people may be salty that they didn\'t get 20cc\'s in the first round, but hats off to Avanti Derma if they\'re actually reining back what some considered questionable years ago (initial over-injecting which lead to increased aesthetic issues). The idea that they may be saving a few bucks here or there because they opted with 15cc\'s instead of 20cc\'s is what\'s truly ludicrous. You can see right here within many years of progress reports about changes in methodology & technique that the best approach is to make a game-time decision once your unit is examined on an actual procedure table.

Until a credible member has witnessed product/device tampering at this particular clinic, such musings on topics like these are trivial when there is nearly a decade of progress reporting.

I have no problem with members coming to dr.c defense but don\'t try to tell me I\'m bugging because i simply pointed out Facts. It\'s about time somebody should. For the record I\'ve never stated that dr.c doesn\'t know what he\'s doing. Also i bet most of the guys who have gotten PMMA back in 2011,12,13 etc when it was a different price would have had something to say about the situation now. Truth is i doubt they would. Most of the guys from this forum don\'t really care as long as they have a big unit. Again i can bet anyone on this forum those prices will go up again. Will i go to dr.c hmmm idk maybe but me questioning certain things does not take away from who he is and his practice. I guess when we find better options he\'s shit out of luck.