TOPIC: Dr. Loria girth enhancement process results

Why do that these Loria and Elist guys start their reports AFTER they have had their procedures?
If I were going to have a procedure done, I would be doing loads of research BEFORE the procedure..That would include
stumbling across our board, making an account, reading up on various doctors and procedure-types, and asking questions.
Why would somebody make a progress report after it is done? Especially on a board with basically no other members who have had the procedure?
Just saying...

messageman wrote: Why do that these Loria and Elist guys start their reports AFTER they have had their procedures?
If I were going to have a procedure done, I would be doing loads of research BEFORE the procedure..That would include
stumbling across our board, making an account, reading up on various doctors and procedure-types, and asking questions.
Why would somebody make a progress report after it is done? Especially on a board with basically no other members who have had the procedure?
Just saying...

Why not use my experience to educate others so they can see their are workable alternatives out there? If someone chooses FFT or PMMA or standard PE I don\'t care. Good luck! At least I have a crap ton of images and willing to shoot more to give progress to help guys out. Look man women have been doing this shit with boob jobs for over 40 years. It\'s our turn now. There are great alternatives out there. If you don\'t like Dr. Loria I don\'t certainly care and I\'m sure he doesn\'t either.

Hoddle is also the most knowledgeable member on the board and looking out for the huge numbers of guys that read this site for information and never post. I don\'t want to stress you out either but you said basically that he injected a secret pink liquid in you the makeup of which Loria won\'t divulge but are to take on faith that it is safe and builds collagen.

The thing that doesn\'t make sense about Loria\'s patent is that if it was patented it is protected from use without his consent so he should be able to tell you exactly what the fluid is - and he would make money off every doctor that wanted to use it and multiply his revenue 100 fold.

If you think about how many years (decades) and millions of dollars drug companies put into getting a patent, I am sure they don\'t offer them up without serious clinical trials for a liquid that is being injected into the body. It sounds like marketing, but now that it is in you - I hope that you have a good outcome, there are enough guys on here that have been through it all and no one wishes that on you or anyone else.

Cctman wrote: The filler he uses is a pink like fluid he injects and it\'s his own pattoned formula that I don\'t think he shares with anyone. My guess is he uses a chemical compound like a slight acidic compound that over the course of time causes the inflammation but obviously the compound forces the bodies collagen development into over drive. It\'s the same process he stimulates that happens at puberty which sets the bodies natural Girth genetically. I\'m not sure who else would know about it other than he and his lawyers who wrote up the patent. But I was sitting up the whole time and watched him inject it of course. But it\'s not the PMMA micro beads stuff at all. It was more of a Jello like pink fluid given through a thick syringe. The PMMA technique I believe causes collagen to develop as well, but tends to leave guys a little less natural from what I here. Like rubbery or to hard like. And I think PMMA gets or can get absorbed into the body over time like free fat transfer, but I really don\'t know guys for sure. I\'m just happy with the results so far and figured I was post here for informational purposes. Let me know if that helped at all.

Again you are talking about a patent, but I can\'t find any evidence of the patent and on skimming briefly through his website can\'t see any mention of it.

Are you sure about there is a patent?

Cctman wrote: It\'s not silicone, it\'s a filler that gets absorbed and replaced by the natural collagen formation that is a part of your body for life like skin, bone.

If you don\'t know what the filler is, then how do you know it isn\'t Silicone? On his website he still describes the procedure as \"a minimally invasive permanent filler medical technique called the Platinum Method.\"

For several years Dr Loria has been doing what he called the Platinum Method and upon questioning confirmed he used Silikon1000. That is silicon.

Are you sure you know as much as anyone else?

Cctman wrote: Hoddle you also stated... \"You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.\" Nope! Actually that\'s not at all what I stated. Maybe you should learn to read more clearly my friend. I know about as much as anyone else besides Dr. Loria and his team of lawyers covering the patent. I have every right to inform people and a bit more knowledgeable in this as I\'m going through it first hand experience unlike you who is spinning advice from 3\'rd hand sources and friend of a friend conversations. The real question is what the hell are you doing here and why since unless you have been through Dr. Loria\'s procedure and experienced it yourself you have no clue what your talking about first hand.

So next to nothing then!

Your reasoning is utterly ridiculous.

Also I think if you ask Dr Loria, it was my posts on this forum that gave him the idea of using Silikon1000. On his old website he pretty much copied posts I made regarding a study carried out by an Israeli Dr using the material.

Also how can he patent FDA approved fillers? No matter what he is mixing, it has to be FDA approved and I can\'t see how you can patent something like that.

Can you please link the patent application.

Also I\'m here as a senior moderator of the forum. I can decide whether you stay or go my friend.

Hoddle you also stated...

\"You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.\"

Nope! Actually that\'s not at all what I stated. Maybe you should learn to read more clearly my friend. I know about as much as anyone else besides Dr. Loria and his team of lawyers covering the patent. I have every right to inform people and a bit more knowledgeable in this as I\'m going through it first hand experience unlike you who is spinning advice from 3\'rd hand sources and friend of a friend conversations.

The real question is what the hell are you doing here and why since unless you have been through Dr. Loria\'s procedure and experienced it yourself you have no clue what your talking about first hand.

hoddle10 wrote:
If you didn\'t know what he was injecting then how on earth could you have known the risk associated?

Do you know everything injected into a hotdog and yet you still eat them all the time? More people die from cardiac arrest and obesity than the effects of penile plastic surgery. I think I made my point clearly! Thank you!

Cctman wrote: ...and I have no problem with this nor the risk associated. If I did I wouldn\'t have done the procedure. Now shall we start bringing up the garbage we also put in our bodies like plastics, toxic chemicals, salted sugary foods that cause obesity and carry very high level of risks associated with them? I\'m a personal trainer maybe I should tell you what improper nutrition does to the body and what lack of proper excercise and nutrition does while we\'re at it. Get my point yet?

If you didn\'t know what he was injecting then how on earth could you have known the risk associated?

hoddle10 wrote:
I\'m sure people check the safety features on sports cars and bungee jumping etc.

Loria has previously told people he uses silicone. If you ask him directly if it\'s silcone, he will tell you it is. I suggest you do so. I take no pleasure in telling you that, no matter what you might think. I came close to deleting my last post as I didn\'t want to freak you out. But ultimately I think it\'s more important to let people know Loria is keeping from them.

You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.

\"The filler he uses is a pink like fluid he injects and it\'s his own pattoned formula that I don\'t think he shares with anyone. My guess is he uses a chemical compound like a slight acidic compound that over the course of time causes the inflammation but obviously the compound forces the bodies collagen development into over drive. It\'s the same process he stimulates that happens at puberty which sets the bodies natural Girth genetically.\"

You really don\'t what to be guessing what is happening. You need to know exactly what he\'s injected into your penis. What is really happening is that he\'s using some kind of carrier to inject Silikon1000 in large amounts, this gets encapsulated in collagen and the filler and extra tissue cause the Girth to increase.

...and I have no problem with this nor the risk associated. If I did I wouldn\'t have done the procedure.

Now shall we start bringing up the garbage we also put in our bodies like plastics, toxic chemicals, salted sugary foods that cause obesity and carry very high level of risks associated with them? I\'m a personal trainer maybe I should tell you what improper nutrition does to the body and what lack of proper excercise and nutrition does while we\'re at it. Get my point yet?

Cctman wrote: Why do people drive sports cars, race, smoke, bungee jump, sky dive, scuba dive, drink socially? I do TRT to replace a deficiency in my bodies own ability to produce natural testosterone. A year and half ago I was at 142ng/dl of blood. Now I\'m doing great! Have energy, sex drive us back up, sleep is better, putting on gains in the gym. Why take any risk in life? What makes you think your knowledge of Dr. Loria\'s procedures are greater than mine or even more accurate for that matter? I do have something you definitely do not have at this point. A week of personal experience. If you don\'t like my results I\'m so sorry. But they are what they are. Just be glad that I\'m being open and honest about my progress here where people hopefully seek genuine advice and make their own decisions. By the way Dr. Loria does NOT do PMMA. So are there any questions I can share with you about my procedure? I\'m willing to share after all. And also you googling for images from light box on malformed penises has nothing to do with Dr. Loria\'s procedure or the results he has had.

I\'m sure people check the safety features on sports cars and bungee jumping etc.

Loria has previously told people he uses silicone. If you ask him directly if it\'s silcone, he will tell you it is. I suggest you do so. I take no pleasure in telling you that, no matter what you might think. I came close to deleting my last post as I didn\'t want to freak you out. But ultimately I think it\'s more important to let people know Loria is keeping from them.

You\'ve said yourself you know next nothing about the procedure, so you are in no position to inform anyone.

\"The filler he uses is a pink like fluid he injects and it\'s his own pattoned formula that I don\'t think he shares with anyone. My guess is he uses a chemical compound like a slight acidic compound that over the course of time causes the inflammation but obviously the compound forces the bodies collagen development into over drive. It\'s the same process he stimulates that happens at puberty which sets the bodies natural Girth genetically.\"

You really don\'t what to be guessing what is happening. You need to know exactly what he\'s injected into your penis. What is really happening is that he\'s using some kind of carrier to inject Silikon1000 in large amounts, this gets encapsulated in collagen and the filler and extra tissue cause the Girth to increase.

hoddle10 wrote: We\'ve seen after 6 plus years of guys getting PMMA that foreign body reactions are rare. But we\'ve also seen, that when they do occur, the issues seem to be cosmetic. The filler turns into large unsightly lumps. This is bad spot to be in for the patient and not something to be taken lightly. But at the same time we\'ve seen in the case of Restoration and Darkstaff that excision is possible and from what we\'ve seen these corrective procedures are similar to what I personally experienced with fat Removal.

If we look at Restorations result, we can clearly see the lumps. But, had he been degloved, there is a good chance the filler could have been removed and left his penis looking as it did originally, as was the case with Darkstaff.



PMMA Removal isn\'t a surgery to be taken lightly and other treatments should be tried first in my opinion. Certainly don\'t go out and get PMMA thinking it\'s an easy fix if something like this does go wrong, as it\'s far from the truth. There are risks of tissue loss, scarring, infection etc etc. However, at least from what we\'ve seen the type of granulomas or reactions caused by PMMA injected into the deeper layer, just don\'t seem to be that fierce and the issue tends to be more cosmetic. Both Dr Gelman and Dr Alter said as much to our member Smalljay.

However reactions to the oil based fillers, like silicone and parafin seem to be much more aggressive. They seem to attack the skin itself. So in my opinion should be avoided. Here are a couple examples of scleroising granulomas caused by large volume silicone oil and you can see the difference:



You are pretty much fucked if that happens.

Why go to Loria when there are places in the US that offer HA, which can be reversed? If you want to stay in the US get HA or even Radiesse. But don\'t risk having large volumes of silicone injected.

Why do people drive sports cars, race, smoke, bungee jump, sky dive, scuba dive, drink socially? I do TRT to replace a deficiency in my bodies own ability to produce natural testosterone. A year and half ago I was at 142ng/dl of blood. Now I\'m doing great! Have energy, sex drive us back up, sleep is better, putting on gains in the gym. Why take any risk in life? What makes you think your knowledge of Dr. Loria\'s procedures are greater than mine or even more accurate for that matter? I do have something you definitely do not have at this point. A week of personal experience. If you don\'t like my results I\'m so sorry. But they are what they are. Just be glad that I\'m being open and honest about my progress here where people hopefully seek genuine advice and make their own decisions. By the way Dr. Loria does NOT do PMMA.

So are there any questions I can share with you about my procedure? I\'m willing to share after all.

And also you googling for images from light box on malformed penises has nothing to do with Dr. Loria\'s procedure or the results he has had.

We\'ve seen after 6 plus years of guys getting PMMA that foreign body reactions are rare. But we\'ve also seen, that when they do occur, the issues seem to be cosmetic. The filler turns into large unsightly lumps. This is bad spot to be in for the patient and not something to be taken lightly. But at the same time we\'ve seen in the case of Restoration and Darkstaff that excision is possible and from what we\'ve seen these corrective procedures are similar to what I personally experienced with fat Removal.

If we look at Restorations result, we can clearly see the lumps. But, had he been degloved, there is a good chance the filler could have been removed and left his penis looking as it did originally, as was the case with Darkstaff.



PMMA Removal isn\'t a surgery to be taken lightly and other treatments should be tried first in my opinion. Certainly don\'t go out and get PMMA thinking it\'s an easy fix if something like this does go wrong, as it\'s far from the truth. There are risks of tissue loss, scarring, infection etc etc. However, at least from what we\'ve seen the type of granulomas or reactions caused by PMMA injected into the deeper layer, just don\'t seem to be that fierce and the issue tends to be more cosmetic. Both Dr Gelman and Dr Alter said as much to our member Smalljay.

However reactions to the oil based fillers, like silicone and parafin seem to be much more aggressive. They seem to attack the skin itself. So in my opinion should be avoided. Here are a couple examples of scleroising granulomas caused by large volume silicone oil and you can see the difference:



You are pretty much fucked if that happens.

Why go to Loria when there are places in the US that offer HA, which can be reversed? If you want to stay in the US get HA or even Radiesse. But don\'t risk having large volumes of silicone injected.

Cctman wrote: Why not use my experience to educate others so they can see their are workable alternatives out there? If someone chooses FFT or PMMA or standard PE I don\'t care. Good luck! At least I have a crap ton of images and willing to shoot more to give progress to help guys out. Look man women have been doing this shit with boob jobs for over 40 years. It\'s our turn now. There are great alternatives out there. If you don\'t like Dr. Loria I don\'t certainly care and I\'m sure he doesn\'t either.

You don\'t know what he\'s injecting! Lots of people with parafin oils and silicone have had good aesthetic results. But when they go wrong the type of granuloma they produce is sclerosing, which means it will fuck the shaft skin up. Also these oils have a much higher chance of migration.

I\'ve had a small amount of Silikon micro droplets and seriously regret it. It\'s only 2cc and the result has been good, but with hindsight I wish I\'d just stuck with 10% PMMA.

Guys tend to judge things of the short term. If they see good aesthetic results with things like silicone they will be attracted to it. But if it does go badly, sclerosing granulomas are a nightmare to deal with. Almost certainly resulting in shaft skin Removal and skin graft. All granulomas or foreign body reactions are very bad news, but if it doesn\'t effect the skin itself, then there is a reasonable chance that a full recovery can be made. We\'ve seen that with PMMA Removal.

Allowing a Dr who is known to be unethical to inject an unknown substance into your penis is plain crazy. It\'s your body and your choice. I respect. But you only have to spend a few hours on this forum to see how easily impressionable many of our members are. If half of them see a nice aesthetic result with this unknown (though we know it\'s silicone) filler, that will be enough to convince them it\'s a good idea.

Morning update photos... healing is going well. Won\'t be able to rewrap again until day 7