TOPIC: IPP options

Skype does not leave a potentially permanent image on the Internet, and is a commonly used practice of intelligent, fair minded people...including my IPP urologists, business associates, etc., and I will control my privacy at my discretion and judgement. So the desire of those to limit open, honest discussion to their own little paranoid bubble and comfort zone (PS: we have different definitions of \"forum\") does not apply to me. I did not \"rehabilitate\" Elist, nor any of the other doctors (or their \"shills\"...I had to work PB\'s favorite word into the conversation!...like Chad & Dan), and acknowledged my failed implant surgery with him. Your \'bad cop\' analogy is pathetically inapplicable, perhaps thanks to mainstream media indoctrination...ie tell Darren Wilson, who tragically killed a documented thug ...Michael Brown...in self defense, but who lost his job and livelihood anyway because of the kind of mindset the \'PC police\' have successfully permiated our culture and society with. Now, the cop who murdered Eric Garner on video should be in prison, but I digress. Anyway, good job of backing up your ghost chasing buddy..maybe he will reward and \'probe\' you now, supa...and as long as we are conducting \'smell tests\', you smell of something that starts with an \'s\' also. Have a good weekend.

I\'ve already said you can forget the whole photo issue. I can\'t force you to do it. You\'ve said you aren\'t Chad and we can\'t prove otherwise.

However, I\'m still keen to know why thinking you are Chad and accusing you of being him is stupid? You seem utterly resistant to acknowledging that your story is pretty much identical to Chad\'s and that the odds of 2 people having the surgical history are very slim. You must be aware of Chad\'s message board presence as you straight away new the MNS connection, so will be aware of his \"angry\" posting style and thus must see the similarities there.

As a proclaimed \"victim\" of Chad, in the sense you got led into having bad surgery by him, you\'d know his shilling style, so the fact you mentioned your bad original implant experience doesn\'t in the slightest way suggest you aren\'t him.

We aren\'t going to be able to prove you are him, but can\'t you do something Chad was never able to do and take a few deep breaths, calm down and reflect for a moment? Surely you can see that there is nothing stupid about believing you to be him. You claim to have been mislead by him enough times that if you really aren\'t him, you\'d know that it\'s pointless asking someone if they are him or not, as he\'d just lie through his teeth. I can link to another forum where we see him doing exactly that and accusing people of conspiracy theories, just as you have here.

If you truly aren\'t him, I don\'t get why the attitude! In other circumstances, I can understand people getting angry over \"false\" accusations, but anyone who has encountered Chad Hedman would understand. Your refusal to even acknowledge the reasoning behind accusation seems odd.

Hoddle10...Let me try to explain this one last time. In order for me to to be willing and able to \"acknowledge\" all the \"amazing similarities\" and other things about Chad that you long to have me validate, I would actually have to KNOW a small fraction as much about Chad as you apparently do. At the risk of placing a new target on my chest, I have acknowledged cyber interacting with Chad, but only to the point of trying desperately, and unsuccessfully, to (perhaps selfishly) address and resolve my own penile problems and despair, without having the ability or any desire to focus on Chad\'s penis, business, posting habits, political persuasions, favorite foods, musical tastes, etc.
To quote Rhett Butler, \"frankly, my dear (friend?), I don\'t give a damn\"! I care about how to best improve, and hopefully fix, my badly retracted and \'broken\' penis...which you are welcome to see, verify, be glad that you don\'t have, etc on Skype...and likewise, I don\'t give a damn about the need of others to find and vanquish a ghost named Chad. A truly fair minded, truthful, logical, and reasonable person would reciprocally \'acknowledge\' that scores of men were having the same failed \'PE\' procedures, with the same doctors, during the same timeframes, etc that I (and you report Chad) did. I feel empathy for each and every one of them...rather than wasting my (and the so called \'forum\'s\') time vetting each of them as another possible \'Chad\', and/or (PB\'s favorite scare tactic) \"shill\". All that does is allow the Chad\'s and Dans to continue to distract and win. So, one last time, in summary...I am NOT Chad (or Dan), don\'t care about them, OR your paranoid \"amazingly coincidental similarities\"...that sounds like the guy at the airport baggage claim insisting that this bag must be his, because it\'s the black one...like all the other guys who went through the same \'meat grinder\', with the same self serving doctors, fronted by the same greedy \'shills\' (yippee!...I said it again!) that I did, which in minds like yours disturbingly adds up to making me Chad! Again, if you want to believe that, do so...and if you want to truly confirm that I am the proud single papa of 3 great kiddos in Texas, and seeing what used to be my penis allows you to get back to trying to help men...instead of falsely accusing me...then grow a pair, and get on Skype!

samsdad wrote: Hoddle10...Let me try to explain this one last time. In order for me to to be willing and able to \"acknowledge\" all the \"amazing similarities\" and other things about Chad that you long to have me validate, I would actually have to KNOW a small fraction as much about Chad as you apparently do. At the risk of placing a new target on my chest, I have acknowledged cyber interacting with Chad, but only to the point of trying desperately, and unsuccessfully, to (perhaps selfishly) address and resolve my own penile problems and despair, without having the ability or any desire to focus on Chad\'s penis, business, posting habits, political persuasions, favorite foods, musical tastes, etc.
To quote Rhett Butler, \"frankly, my dear (friend?), I don\'t give a damn\"! I care about how to best improve, and hopefully fix, my badly retracted and \'broken\' penis...which you are welcome to see, verify, be glad that you don\'t have, etc on Skype...and likewise, I don\'t give a damn about the need of others to find and vanquish a ghost named Chad. A truly fair minded, truthful, logical, and reasonable person would reciprocally \'acknowledge\' that scores of men were having the same failed \'PE\' procedures, with the same doctors, during the same timeframes, etc that I (and you report Chad) did. I feel empathy for each and every one of them...rather than wasting my (and the so called \'forum\'s\') time vetting each of them as another possible \'Chad\', and/or (PB\'s favorite scare tactic) \"shill\". All that does is allow the Chad\'s and Dans to continue to distract and win. So, one last time, in summary...I am NOT Chad (or Dan), don\'t care about them, OR your paranoid \"amazingly coincidental similarities\"...that sounds like the guy at the airport baggage claim insisting that this bag must be his, because it\'s the black one...like all the other guys who went through the same \'meat grinder\', with the same self serving doctors, fronted by the same greedy \'shills\' (yippee!...I said it again!) that I did, which in minds like yours disturbingly adds up to making me Chad! Again, if you want to believe that, do so...and if you want to truly confirm that I am the proud single papa of 3 great kiddos in Texas, and seeing what used to be my penis allows you to get back to trying to help men...instead of falsely accusing me...then grow a pair, and get on Skype!

Or you can just post a photo here and get it over with.

You keep making out as if this accusation is paranoid based on some vague similarities. As I\'ve already told you, your surgical history, in terms of procedures, complications and the Dr\'s who performed them is the same as Chad\'s. Not only that but within your initial post there is a claim that Elist\'s complication rate is lower now and you\'ve outlined a reason to get his implant. That used to be Chad\'s job.


All I can say is that to anyone who reads this thread, please do not for one second consider getting the Elist implant. Don\'t allow yourself to start thinking along the lines of \"well it makes sense his complication rate would lower over time.\" It\'s still a solid silicone implant into a dynamic organ and thus will forever be a flawed concept. If you have or are considering an IPP implant, again, don\'t even consider the Elist option. At some point the implant will be removed and you will be left with a scar capsule.

Thank you for acknowledging that \"as you told me...\" ... You are the resident expert on the similarities between mine, Chad\'s, and any other men\'s very likely similar surgical histories, complications, etc.
Further, and to your point, I have consistently acknowledged my failed surgery with Dr Elist...stipulate that he made statements and promises unsupported by the facts...get the fact that placing a static object in a dynamic organ does not make common or medical sense...and would NOT ever consider Elist\'s implant as anything other than a possible block against the penile retraction that often accompanies IPP surgery...again, as I stated in my original post, which set you off on your \'witch hunt\'. It does not make me either Chad or a \'shill\' to acknowledge that through years of unconscionable trial and error, Elist may have actually learned from some of his many errors, and thereby factually reduced his complication and failure rates...as told to me by a doctor who no longer works for Dr Elist, and yet remains in contact with the surgery center he uses and several patients who he has tried to help, like myself. Although Dr Elist\'s mindset and motivation may remain largely flawed, and the same, it is entirely feasible (and perhaps even likely) that his \'batting average\' has improved, as it couldn\'t have gotten much worse. Again, I may very well ultimately decide to use one of the \'IPP only\' doctors that FrankTalk.org positively and supportively suggested (as a \'non-profit\', they cannot technically \'recommend\' individual doctors)...all without falsely accusing, demeaning, or disrespecting me. All I was seeking, unsuccessfully, to do here was to complete my due diligence before making the most informed decision possible...instead of unintentionally refueling the anger, hatred, paranoia, and negative vitriol that many here still clearly feel for a guy that I have chosen to move on beyond, and instead focus on a positive, constructive approach to trying to heal myself physically and emotionally. \'Thanks\' for all your \'help\'.

@samsdad

How would Skype prove you aren\'t Chad? That assumes, #1 that Hoddle knew what Chad looked like despite no actual photo proof (Googling \"Chad Hedman\" results in numerous different photos). Secondly, if Hoddle knew what Chad looked like then, he may not look the same today... I ran into someone I knew in 2009 (Elist/Chad era) and he didn\'t recognize me right-away. Facial hair, different hairstyle, a bit of aging & slight weight gain was enough to make me a total stranger. So again, what does Skype offer us exactly? And as Supa pointed out, why are you willing to forfeit your identity to an \"antagonistic total stranger\" (as you put it) but are unwilling to show your scar and/or penis, something that can\'t readily identify who you are IRL.

This forum wouldn\'t have the integrity it has today if it weren\'t for the vigilance and skepticism of our Moderation Team. For someone who has been registered for years now, samsdad, you must know this by now. So why the Chad-like defensiveness and argumentativeness when you can simply dispel all of this by the submission of a few pics?

We would welcome being disproved. Otherwise, we are doing the community a service to reveal the identity and/or motives of a suspicious poster. Don\'t like it? Start your own forum. Or better yet, just re-open MyNeWSize.

PS: Just a closing thought...in every \'alleged murder\', the burden of proof is on the accuser (you), not the accused (me)...and there is no 1) \'body\' aka no\'body\'was harmed, or even imposed upon ... and when offered a definitive opportunity (Skype) to prove the \'phallusy\' of your false allegations, you predictably declined and hid within the controllable realm of your precious \'forum\'/fiefdom, instead of welcoming proof of the truth ... 2) no \'weapon\' as, again, not one person was harmed or even imposed upon by my truthful, fact based posts ... and 3) no \'motive\', because not even the most paranoid accuser and respondent ever concocted, opined, or even speculated about what \'phantom Chad\'s\' evil and sinister motive might be for daring to ask for feedback regarding the subject of an IPP. Wow...now talk about what \"any reasonable person would have to admit\". Keep looking for that \'Boogie Man\' in the dark. As for me, I am going back to the sane and supportive realm of FrankTalk.org, and praying for a positive solution to my challenge.

I should point out I don\'t have a clue what Chad Hedman looks or sounds like. I\'ve never met or spoken to him.

Let\'s just imagine for a second you aren\'t Chad. Maybe these 4 quotes you\'ve made in this thread will sum up your problem:


\"Chad...along with his friend/partner, Dan Salas...led me to ALL the doctors I identified with each of my failed surgeries,\"

\"Chad later strongly recommended me to Krakovsky (who \'trained\' under Rheinschild in SLO) for dermal graft reconstructive surgery. Krakovsky butchered a lot of people...including both Chad & I. Chad had reconstructive surgery with Elist...recommended me to Elist for my reconstruction.\"

\"maybe you should try trusting the people\"

\"PhalloBoards are compromised and distracted by the paranoid \'ghost tales\' \"


I got banned several times from MNS due to \"ghost tales\" and \"conspiracy theories.\" Nothing about many of the stories on there added up and so many of the progress reports sounded like Chad Hedman had written them. I didn\'t trust them.

\" ... his \'batting average\' has improved, as it couldn\'t have gotten much worse\", a compelling endorsement of Elist\'s \"craftsmanship\".

So, people should consider Elist again because if they now spin this improved roulette wheel the chances that they will be fucked for life have decreased somewhat?

Seriously, samsdad, you cannot make this stuff up. I am stil not sure whether it is a farce or a tragedy you are playing, and that is the only reason I have not yet recommended a permanent ban for you to my fellow mods. Curious to read more surreal replies from you.

hoddle10 wrote: I should point out I don\'t have a clue what Chad Hedman looks or sounds like. I\'ve never met or spoken to him.

Which means Skype is completely useless and couldn\'t possibly benefit either party. It\'s clear as day quite frankly. Okay Chad, go back to FrankTalk, good luck and good riddance. If we\'re proved wrong one day, then we will apologize. What we wont apologize for is our vigilance & skepticism, especially as it pertains to a notorious member of the phallo-community.

Skeptical One, Did you even bother to read Hoddle\'s request for a photo from me, because he has such a vivid recollection of Chad\'s penis, as a way to verify who I am? Your comment about Skype is laughably dumb. This website and forum are nothing more than a mental midget\'s circle jerk for you \' vigilant skeptics\'. Please either do me the great favor of either sending instructions on how to permanently end my \'membership\' in this paranoid schizophrenic society, or just ban away...as I\'\'m sure you will continue to do to all of your other \'non-Stepford\' members. I am tired of actually witnessing Hoddle\'s, Supa, and Skeptical become even more ridiculous and unintelligent with each and every mindless post. Goodbye, and...as always...let the last nonsensical and self-demeaning word be yours...I won\'t be laughing and reading it anyway.

You claim to be insulted and that we are demeaning towards you, yet the worst anyone has done is accuse you of being someone and provided sound reasoning for that. Yet you constantly throw insults and demean other posters.

You seem to have got it into your head as if you are being singled out unfairly. You used the analogy:

\"that sounds like the guy at the airport baggage claim insisting that this bag must be his, because it\'s the black one..\"

But that\'s not really a very accurate analogy is it? In this case the bag would have been tags on it from several airports, in a specific order and a broken handle and very specific mark on the side, making is seem totally unique. That\'s the point you seem to be missing, whilst calling me stupid and paranoid.

You claim that, \"a reasonable person would reciprocally \'acknowledge\' that scores of men were having the same failed \'PE\' procedures, with the same doctors, during the same timeframes,\" and I would very reasonably acknowledge that. However, the simple fact you had a poor surgery with one of those Dr\'s during that period isn\'t what arises suspicion. What makes me very suspicious, is you had several of same surgeries as Chad with the same Dr\'s in the same order and with the same complications.

Let\'s look at the time frames here. Chad had Alloderm with Rheinchild literally weeks before he stopped working with TotalMaleEnhancement. So if he led you into that surgery you\'d have had to have been one of the last patients Rheinchild performed Alloderm on. So your claim on scores of men goes out the window. Several months after his first surgery Chad was on PE site\'s planning a second procedure but with Rheinchild. He then got banned from most sites. He turned up a few months later with the first incarnation of MNS, when he and Dan were suddenly promoting Dr Wineland. But this lasted literally a couple of months. Apparently Wineland couldn\'t get insured or something like that. So the odds of being led into Alloderm surgery with Rheinchild and then Wineland are very small, given the short windows of time the procedures were available with those Dr\'s.

Anyway, after that MNS closed down, the next time Chad was heard of was on the old yahoo group saying his Alloderm had hardened. Then a new version of MNS popped up and the Dr he was backing was Krakovsky. Krakovsky removed the Alloderm and put in dermal graft. His dermal graft got infected and Chad and Dr K had a falling out. Then someone on the yahoo group said Chad was working with a relatively unknown surgeon called Dr Elist. With a few weeks the site was suddenly inundated with Elist patients. Chad himself then went on to have reconstructive surgery with Elist.

So we aren\'t talking about a run of surgeries and complications that would have happened with literally scores of men. We are talking about what any reasonable person would have deduced to be a unique PE history. So with that in mind and given the carnage Chad had caused, is it really stupid or paranoid to be suspicious of you? It\'s not as if we can just ask \"are you Chad Hedman\" and take your word for it, as Chad Hedman would just lie. So we have to puch and probe. I don\'t see why you\'d have a particular problem with that if you really are Chad victim. Even if you felt offended initially surely it would be normal to calm down and understand the situation.

samsdad wrote: Skeptical One, Did you even bother to read Hoddle\'s request for a photo from me, because he has such a vivid recollection of Chad\'s penis, as a way to verify who I am? Your comment about Skype is laughably dumb. This website and forum are nothing more than a mental midget\'s circle jerk for you \' vigilant skeptics\'. Please either do me the great favor of either sending instructions on how to permanently end my \'membership\' in this paranoid schizophrenic society, or just ban away...as I\'\'m sure you will continue to do to all of your other \'non-Stepford\' members. I am tired of actually witnessing Hoddle\'s, Supa, and Skeptical become even more ridiculous and unintelligent with each and every mindless post. Goodbye, and...as always...let the last nonsensical and self-demeaning word be yours...I won\'t be laughing and reading it anyway.

Wait, so you\'re trying to say you would use Skype to showcase your scar & penis to this total antagonistic stranger but it\'s just a bit too much to ask to upload it anonymously on this forum? Jokes. If we\'re the mental midgets, then I\'m almost afraid to ask what that makes you...



Oh Chad, with every post you continue to shoot yourself in the foot. And thanks, while we didn\'t have grounds to ban you previously, your childish insults give the Moderation team all they need to boot you at their discretion.

It must suck knowing you were responsible for what MyNewSize was and stood for. Ever have trouble sleeping?

Oh and this is PhalloBoards, the burden of proof is on the poster, not the accuser. It\'s how it\'s always worked. Don\'t like it? Start your own forum... or as I said previously, re-start MyNewSize . And yea, if I\'m wrong, what am I to regret? Standing alongside the Moderation team investigating whether or not one of the most notorious players in Phalloplasty isn\'t trying to take advantage of our forum when all he did was screw countless victims over in the past? If you aren\'t Chad, you\'ve got nothing to worry about. But it would be in your best interest to disprove us with visual evidence rather than going on a temper tantrum akin to Chad\'s past tirades. I can\'t stop any Moderator from banning you at this point, since you had no issue with violating forum rules in the past couple postings.

Better yet, since you actually knew Chad better than us (lolol), why not ask him for advice. Since he had identical issues, surely he must have found a way to fix them. Good luck...