TOPIC: Metacrill Independent Lab Analysis - First quote is $1200

I wouldn\'t be able to get it in the country, though. That\'s the main hurdle. Anyway, the pathology I posted gave some insight into the spheres. It\'s probably more valuable than having a physical chemist analyze the stuff. Also, this was posted back when metacrill 30% gave me no results (at 27 cc). Linnea safe at 15cc certainly gave me \"growth\" - just not exactly where I wanted it.

Let\'s keep trying.

So it looks like we may need a bit over $2000 for the PMMA and the testing, right?

If we buy from the PMMA company itself, can we still use the product by taking it to Dr C and have him injected? (of course after we give 2CC\'s to the test lab). BTW, does the product have to be refrigerated? Can one take thge PMMA from the USA to Mexico, legally?

I am still in, I also do not want to spend money on no gains.....

How long ago did you email him? It seems like this would be more of a top priority. I\'m sure he doesn\'t have that many emails. I think if they avoid answering you, then we got our answer about the \'new\' PMMA and they probably switched to a cheaper alternative to boost margins. I\'m not accusing that but it\'s so strange how everyones gains are so low that it makes it difficult to be just a coincidence.

I emailed Wade a week ago about getting 1-2 CCs of Metacrill to the lab in the USA... didn\'t hear back yet...but I know he has a lot of emails, though. Hopefully, the request didn\'t come across wrong. I just don\'t want to go through it again & spend the money if the gains aren\'t there - and this is not a product we know much about. This was what I said -

I was wondering if you or Dr. C would be interested to have the Metacrill analyzed by a lab. It seems like a lot of guys are posting low gains (and my last round was 0-0.2\" gain from 17cc 30%) so I\'m wondering if something is different about the product. Even the doctor in Prauge has patients complaining of low gains. I wanted to come back for a third round of 30% (I am still under 5\" Girth) but it seems like guys aren\'t gaining much & I don\'t know if it\'s worth it with all the travel costs too. I know a lab that can test it for particle size, sphericity, and concentration, but I am not sure of the legalities of sending Metacrill to the USA. The Metacrill website says it will ship to the USA, but then it goes to a dead email address (and the price is $400 for 5 ccs - the lab only needs 1cc). It wouldn\'t even have to go to me - just straight to the lab. They will charge $1200 but I think some of the people on the board might fund it...that part is TBD. If the product is not possible to obtain in the usa (for nonmedical use), then it\'s not worth pursuing - but I wanted to ask. I really just wanted to figure out if something is up (and get above 5\"). Thanks.

Sylvester wrote: Yes, my passport was revoked so PMMA was not a option for me. The injections were expensive but I am happy with the results. I would NOT recommended it though as I found out silicone is not very safe researching after the fact. It was kind of an impulse decision. Like I said earlier Loria did not reveal the full ingredients and I was seduced by the desire to get bigger so my judgement was clouded. At least I did not end up with an Elist implant.

thanks. do you know how much you gained?

Yes, my passport was revoked so PMMA was not a option for me. The injections were expensive but I am happy with the results. I would NOT recommended it though as I found out silicone is not very safe researching after the fact. It was kind of an impulse decision. Like I said earlier Loria did not reveal the full ingredients and I was seduced by the desire to get bigger so my judgement was clouded. At least I did not end up with an Elist implant.

Sylvester wrote: I wonder what products the PMMA doctors use besides metacril ? I have read there is chinese PMMA that is only 5% the cost of metacril. How can the patients that get the buttocks injections afford the high cost of branded PMMA when they use upwards of 500cc in a single session ?.. I would guess they may very likely be using a lower cost PMMA. I would not trust test results as it would be very easy to test metacril but then inject something more economical. Good offices will give you the box with serial and date code but even my doctor here in the US would not provide this or tell me exactly what he uses (a silicon combination). The safest bet would be to procure your own vial of PMMA. Or have a group of members purchase a lot together from a reputable source in Brazil or Europe. Dr C should not have a problem with that.

are you talking about Dr Loria? Have you had a procedure by him? if so what where your results? cheers bro

My first choice is to get it from dr. c - and second choice is to order it from metacrill. Metacrill might charge as much as $800 though for 1 box of 10% and 1 box of 30% - it\'s on their website. They seem to be ok with shipping to the usa, but I suppose no docs will inject it since it\'s not fda approved.

I\'ve never heard of Chinese metacrill. If they can get the particle size right, keep it spherical, and keep it properly distributed, then it should be fine. I\'d never trust it though unless it was analyzed.

I was just brainstorming ways to finance the study. I will also be emailing other labs to see if I can get this done cheaper. I don\'t want more metacrill injected until I know what I am getting from an independent source. I\'m impatient - because I really had it in my head that this would be over by 2015 and now it\'s not going to be and it almost looks worse than it did post op from my december 2014 surgery bc the circ area is so indented... So I want more asap & was thinking I could just pay for it and charge people for the report. It\'s just one idea (esp if it ends up being 2k - which is more than round 3 would cost altogether). It would be better to collect funds ahead of time, but I know people have donated to the board already & not everyone is interested in PMMA here. I don\'t mind people benefitting off me spending $100 if I split it w/ enough people here (if there are enough who want to split).

I wonder what products the PMMA doctors use besides metacril ? I have read there is chinese PMMA that is only 5% the cost of metacril. How can the patients that get the buttocks injections afford the high cost of branded PMMA when they use upwards of 500cc in a single session ?.. I would guess they may very likely be using a lower cost PMMA.

I would not trust test results as it would be very easy to test metacril but then inject something more economical. Good offices will give you the box with serial and date code but even my doctor here in the US would not provide this or tell me exactly what he uses (a silicon combination). The safest bet would be to procure your own vial of PMMA. Or have a group of members purchase a lot together from a reputable source in Brazil or Europe. Dr C should not have a problem with that.

Restoration wrote: it just came to me that I could finance this myself (or with a few board members) and then ONLY share the results with people who pay to see it. So, if 6 of us contribute $200...then we\'ll ask for $60 for a copy of the results and divide the $10 between the 6 people. However, on the internet...it\'s hard to guarantee someone might not just post it...

I think the whole board should know the results, I don\'t think it would be good to just let a few people know if it is bad quality and the rest to figure out themselves on a gamble. I would consider donating but am not sure yet (i just donated 100 to the board a week ago), maybe once it gets closer I will decide.

The doctors aren\'t producing anything...unless you mean they\'re not injecting what they claim?

Do u really think the manufacturer has more incentive to provide a shitty product or the doctors?? Imo the docs have way more incentive.

it just came to me that I could finance this myself (or with a few board members) and then ONLY share the results with people who pay to see it. So, if 6 of us contribute $200...then we\'ll ask for $60 for a copy of the results and divide the $10 between the 6 people. However, on the internet...it\'s hard to guarantee someone might not just post it...

Anyway, there are a few options to finance it and get the product - but at least the ball is rolling. I don\'t want to go back to TJ until I see an analysis - and I basically got no gains from r2, when 17% 30 + 2cc 10% used to be a pretty big amount. The 10% that was manufactured in May of 2013 (per the card Dr. C gave me) - did provide some gains.

Thanks Mustang - glad you\'d be in if we get enough guys.

I think Metacrill won\'t give it to a non-physician or they will give a deliberately good sample. I want to test what they\'re selling to docs...which may not be so great.

I guess someone could order it here, but the minimum quantities are high.

A box with 2 vials of 5 cc is available. It costs US$400 per box.A box with 10 syringes with 1 cc is available. The price is US$500 per box.

Restoration wrote: The request was:

1. Size of PMMA particles in 10% and 30% samples2. Sphericity of the PMMA particles vs jagged edged particles*3. Actual Percentage of PMMA particles in the samples labeled 10% and 30% (this does not have to be rigorously exact - if that would help the cost. Perhaps a range would be ok if that\'s easier?)4. Distribution of PMMA throughout the solution (clumped, grouped, or evenly distributed) *I am not sure if there needs to be a quantitative analysis of how spherical the particles are...or if that\'s even possible. It might make sense to answer # 2 with several photos. #4 might also be able to be answered with photos...if that\'s a cheaper way to go. Maybe 10 random photos of each sample would be sufficiently representative. Thanks again.

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Is anyone here interested in contributing to this? If so, we can talk about it. It\'s a lot of money, so perhaps I would need to send a non-anonymous email to a few of the veterans here w/ the company name & the quote so they can see this.

I will continue to ask other chemists, but most of the ones I know personally can\'t do it.

If it IS something we can crowd fund (I\'d be in for $100) - then the next step is to ask Dr. C if he would send a sample to them or if he would not. The cost of 1 mL is going to be fairly negligible...I would imagine. But, I don\'t know if he\'d want to get involved in case we uncover something. The upside is - we might find it to be perfectly normal.

I think it is good idea. But I would somehow get a sample from the PMMA company if at all possible, we can\'t ask Dr C to provide it. Transparency is a key here.

I am willing to donate too...