TOPIC: Metacrill Independent Lab Analysis - First quote is $1200

It\'s not the DEA\'s remit, as it\'s seen as a medical device, not a drug.

Silikon1000 is FDA approved, but Metacril isn\'t.

\"If Metacril cost $400 for 5cc and Dr. C is injecting,many, if not most people with 25-30cc, how is it profitable? Obviously he might get a bulk discount but I can\'t see the price dropping too substantially. I suggest that anyone going in for the procedure ask to see the product, the expiration date, and batch number. You could then contact to manufacture to ensure authenticity. It would be obviously too difficult to contact them right then and there but you could afterwards and it would help our cause. \"

I was always thinking:
10ccs at 10% is 1cc of product, 9cc of delivery. No?

Here is an analysis I obtained some time ago of Metacril. Its in Portuguese and it is from the manufacturer. I thought it may help the discussion.

I looked at the document and it appears that many (70%) of the particles are within 34-45um (average is 38um) but it does look like about 18% is smaller (average of 6um).

Please review the document for yourself to verify.

The date is set at 4/12 for the test results.

Thanks for the file - i wish I could understand it. If particles are 6um, doesn\'t that mean they can go in the bloodstream? Or, macrophages will consume them? I forgot why there was a minimum size they were supposed to be.

Yeah, hoddle sorry I was wrong - silikon 1000 is approved for treating retinal detachments, and doctors use it \"off label\" which is legal. Metacrill is not approved for anything in the usa. From what i understand - it\'s still fine to have for study purposes, though it can\'t be used on a person in the usa.

Anyway, if someone who is going there could ask - that would be really helpful.

When I go for my next session, I will pre-request to see the sealed product and will ask for it to be used in front of me. I suspect Dr C will not have a problem with my kind request. He always came across as a fine Dr in my eyes and believe me I am very critical of ALL Dr\'s.

I will report my findings and I hope it will put some concerns to rest. Of course we still will not have tested the actual product, but at that point it will be not DR C\'s issue since he will show original factory sealed PMMA...

While you\'re there Mustang could you ask to take a quick pic with your camera phone of them removing the metacril from it\'s packaging (snapshotting the expiration date and batch # on the package). I agree, Casavantes is a very reasonable doc, and this would be a reasonable request (theres nothing to hide here).

Great idea guys. That is a very reasonable request to examine the unopened packaging.

Tom Kat, I went from 4.75 to 6 or 6.25 at the base with the platinum injections. The doctor did not want to go any bigger. All looks and feels good, but still not sure what material was in his homemade recipe besides silicone.

I gained some in flacid length due to the extra weight and Erect im still a little shorter but slowly is going back to the original length.

The vial comes with 10 cm3 enough for several patients. The price is US$400 per vial.A box with 2 vials of 5 cc is available. It costs US$400 per box.A box with 10 syringes with 1 cc is available. The price is US$500 per box.

so it\'s $400 for 10 cc\'s from metacrill website

Mustang, when you\'re there, can you ask them if they would allow a sample of 10% and 30% to be analyzed by a lab in the USA? I have not heard back from Wade on this question. The sample would go straight to a lab, not to any of their patients, by mail.

I don\'t see why taking a pic of things is necessary...personally. The product itself is the question. I am almost at 0\" gains now that it is further out (for 3k with travel expenses). There\'s no way I believe they injected something other than Metacrill. I think something is just wrong w/ the metacrill. I really want another round, but I can\'t afford to go through it again if the product has problems.

Michael, those prices are on the website - but the only email they have posted goes to a dead email address (message send failure). I filled out their \"contact us\" form, and there was no reply.

There we go, someone offers a viable questions, a question that would provide some extra, perhaps minor details to a current problem and another member from our small community bleaches the idea out with is it really unnecessary remark. Good thing you ain\'t the Village Major. Grab the photos [great!], don\'t grab the photos find a lesser forum to participate in! There are serious members here who contribute, in the legacy of EP a great former mod, photographic documentation will help newbies in their quest to make a decision period!

Salud

I have nothing against the idea of taking a picture - but I just don\'t want it to become an interrogation. If someone asks for the lot number, to see the package opened in front of them, a photograph...AND a sample sent to a US based lab - they will likely become irritated by the whole thing & not put up with it. That was the context behind my comment - not that it was a bad idea... I just don\'t want to pile on & risk not getting anywhere. I think an independent analysis is the most important thing right now considering Dr. N is having patients with low gains too (and that\'s why I made the title of this thread reflect that) .

As far as I was aware -you were done w/ PMMA. I just lost $3000 to my last round of 0\" gains, so I want so solve the problem as much (if not more) than you. You previously described all the bad things about PMMA w/ all these complications that could occur - and issues you didn\'t like & then jumped to saying everything is fixed & the guys are great & you can trust them to always solve your problems (and they solved all of yours) -- but now you\'re doubting that they are injecting real PMMA?

This post won\'t need to be edited as much as you edited that last paragraph. PM me and maybe I can assist you in your journey.

I edited it because I didn\'t want further misunderstandings & I had to take some irrelevant & pointed wording out.

Mods can see edits? You weren\'t online when I posted that.

I wouldn\'t be able to get it in the country, though. That\'s the main hurdle. Anyway, the pathology I posted gave some insight into the spheres. It\'s probably more valuable than having a physical chemist analyze the stuff. Also, this was posted back when metacrill 30% gave me no results (at 27 cc). Linnea safe at 15cc certainly gave me \"growth\" - just not exactly where I wanted it.