TOPIC: Average gain PMMA

EP: I\'ve called and have discussed with many plastic surgeons regarding PMMA, and the general consensus is that it is not permanent, but rather \'semi-permanent,\' meaning that loss in Girth is guaranteed. Most insisted that PMMA results will suffer after 5 months, ultimately losing most of it in 1-2 years. I\'m going to stick around here for a while, and if gains are still had, I\'ll pull the trigger. This is not permanent, at least according to the many surgeons I\'ve talked with.
Now, I did talk to two who said that at least some added Girth will remain, but the question is how much, if they\'re right?
I think it\'s just best to keep up with people who actually have had it, and decide if it\'s worth it or not. Hopefully members will keep updating.

Oh whoops! Yes, I meant .5 and so on
Well, for me to gain 1 Inch, it will cost around 8k, assuming I would gain that much each round. That\'s a lot of moolah, especially if gains are not permanent. I think I\'m going to wait 6 months and check up with updates on this board before I make my final decision. I would hate to spend that kind of cash (which is a fortune to me) if it\'s not going to be permanent.

I think you need to remove the \"0\". Those gains are sad!
I believe you are correct though.
Round 1 = 1/2\" or .5\"Round 2 = 1/3\" or .3\"Round 3 = 1/4\" or .25\"

Hi Skatezy,

Good question! What I\'ve found when researching PMMA used as a filler is lots of descriptions of foreign body granulomas but not much mention of the actual incidence. I found one mention in one article that in one small study, the incidence was 0.01%. The rest of the articles merely state that the incidence is \"very rare\" or something similar.

I\'m encouraged by the idea that most of the granulomas respond well to serial Kenalog injections. There was one mention of one patient whose granulomas subsided after treatment with allopurinol, which is an oral medication. It seems that surgical exision is also a rare necessity.

So given the ideas that there are risks to any procedure, PMMA is being widely used outside the US, the incidence of granulomas seems very low, the treatment seems uncomplicated and the response to treatment is good for the most part, I\'m confident in my decision to proceed with the procedure. I\'m not advocated for or against because we all have to determine what level of risk we are comfortable with when it comes to our bodies, I\'m just stating that given what I\'ve seen of the procedure, including the risks, and the positive outcomes I\'ve seen so far, I personally am comfortable going forward and having it done.

I think the gains indicated are not only reasonable ... they\'re fantastic. I had alloderm which provided an immediate gain of about 1\". That lasted about 3 years before it slowllllyyyy atrophied. Eight years later it had deterioriated somewhat (Though tolerable) and ended with likely half of that at best. That was a 10k procedure. So, I estimate my yearly cost at about 1200$, with a law of diminishing returns. PMMA appears to have a similiar impact, but much slower in building (.5,.3.,.25) which makes more sense if you think about it. This allows the the new growth time to \'acclimate\'. Cost for 3 procedures: 6-7k. Efficacy: good, based on anecdotal results. Permanency: yet to be seen long term (with a few rare anecdotal results, primarily with 30% and previous procedures). If you read the posts and progress, it is easy to see that many members have already pursued other methods and spent 10\'s of thousands (I\'m sure I\'ll hit 20k) in pursuit of the holy grail of PE. There isn\'t one. But is this the best one? I personally will be completely satisfied, as I was for several years, with a 5.56Lx5.75-6G Flaccid and a 7Lx6.5G Erect. That is my \'ideal\'. length could be a half Inch longer, but Girth I would not to exceed 6.5. I believe these PMMA treatments can provide those kind of results- and if it requires occasional touch-ups, average it out. Would you pay 1500 a year to \'maintain\' your ideal result. I\'d pay double that, and I\'m not mega-loaded... just \'comfortable\' (financially). Long term safety seems a moot point. There\'s millions of gallons of silicone tits out there- They aren\'t imploding!. We\'ll survive. Just acknowledge several members have already done allo, bella, prft (sp?), FFT, the elist thing, scaffolds(?), etc... - all at extreme financial and psychological cost- not to mention those super extreme indivuduals whom have injected their own penis and scrotum with disturbing amounts of silicone oil. PMMA presents the least complications for those who have had the most reasonable/modest goals and expectations. Complications seem to manifest when people over do it and have unrealistic goals, even against the doctors recommendations or advice (this was true of allo, FFT, skin graft,etc. as well). Remain reasonable and I think the results will be reasonable. Regards

@ EP Yep that area has for now shrunk back to almost what it was before and this is after round thee. basically the circ scar measurement remains around the 6-6.125 measurement and has done so since round round one. unfortunately for me its the left side only so it does create some asymmetry however it is not unsightly or obvious . three round have given me 1.25 estimated and I would say 0.25 stayed from FFT. That\'s a crude guess. Others have gained more and some a lot less. in my opinion it all depends what you start with. if your penis is 3 inches in circumference you could probably gain 1 Inch plus in one round. if you start with 6 you might only gain 0.4 in round one.

As I have recently lost more size, I tend to agree more with jasonbond. I would say that size fluctuates so much over the course of 6 months, that the average gain is around 1/3\". You are lucky to hit 1/2\" and not so lucky to end up with a 1/4\" gain. I received 21cc\'s of 20% and 2 cc\'s of 10% and am now sitting on a 1/2\"gain at best. I know my penis could have handled a good 30 cc\'s due to the skin available and my length. At this rate, I may not be able to afford to meet my goals by using Avanti Derma alone. A flight to Rio to see Dr. Samy Passy may be in order. 30 cc\'s of 30% should help a great deal and I could use Dr. Casavantes for the gap and touch up. Hmmmm. What to do??????

@ Jason Good to hear from you! You say gains are still there. I seem to remember you gained 0.75? did you drop any of that?

hello people i was the 2nd one on the original forum to get this done. And EP was there same day. He went in after me. I would say so far the gains are still here i would say after about 5 months you will see a drop to real size. so your gains could be from .25-50 in my opinion.

Dr.Casavantes is right handed (from the video I saw) so if he is going to enter the cannula near to the glans he has to be on the Rt. side of the patient and if he is going to enter the cannula at the base he has to change his position and to be on the Lt. side of the patient .
So for those who has the asymmetry on the Lt. side where were your entry points (i.e. glans or base or both) ??

Rondo wrote: Here\'s a thought: The doctor always administers from the same side of the chair, with wade on the other- Perhaps that lends to some assymetry simply due to their \'positions\'?

I doubt it. They are constantly observing the shape and make changes as they see fit. If Wade wasn\'t there acting as another set of eyes @ a different angle, this theory may be more plausible. At least imo.

Here\'s a thought: The doctor always administers from the same side of the chair, with wade on the other- Perhaps that lends to some assymetry simply due to their \'positions\'?

Mine too

strange coincidence... my \'assymetry\' is on the left as well (post one procedure). I will be posting some 3 month results of 10% procedure one. I will compare in the same stretching device visually to indicate initial loss (from immediate post procedure results).

yep that sums it up in fact mine is also on the left. I do have smore skin so it kinda blends in sorta which is why I might not bother doing anything about it.