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###  [Diving in...ellanse at avanti derma](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10157454-diving-in-ellanse-at-avanti-derma.html#1308723188 "I have spent months pouring through this site and all these helpful posts. Can't say how useful this community has been to help make this decision. They currently have me set for 12-14 of ellanse 2nd...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started September 18th, 2025 20:57 UTC, by [Here4agoodx](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6778030-here4agoodx.html "View Here4agoodx's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10157454-diving-in-ellanse-at-avanti-derma.html#1308725129 "Absolutely good timing actually I just got back from there a few days ago. Bpel like 7.5+" so far i have made three trips. i did touch up in January just to address aesthetics used 8 cc but didn't see...") by [Here4agoodx](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6778030-here4agoodx.html "View Here4agoodx's Profile")  May 23rd, 2026 16:33 UTC

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###  [Ellanse at Androfill](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html#1308717348 "How are we lads...

First of all, very very thankful and grateful to everyone here. I would've gone ahead with the penuma hadn't I come across the forum. It has helped me navigate this world of...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started August 20th, 2020 03:10 UTC, by [Andy990](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760191-andy990.html "View Andy990's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15#1308717380 "I've reached out to Francis to get a comprehensive update on all matters-Androfill. I suspect in time they likely will but until I have this conversation, I won't know entirely.

Again, an hour...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  May 22nd, 2024 16:03 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html#1308717343)

###  [Ellanse at Androfill](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html#1308717343 "How are we lads...

First of all, very very thankful and grateful to everyone here. I would've gone ahead with the penuma hadn't I come across the forum. It has helped me navigate this world of...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started August 20th, 2020 03:10 UTC, by [Andy990](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760191-andy990.html "View Andy990's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15#1308717380 "I've reached out to Francis to get a comprehensive update on all matters-Androfill. I suspect in time they likely will but until I have this conversation, I won't know entirely.

Again, an hour...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  May 22nd, 2024 16:03 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10155497-ellanse-on-top-of-voluma.html#1308714138)

###  [Ellanse on top of Voluma](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10155497-ellanse-on-top-of-voluma.html#1308714138 "Hello guys

Around 1 year and a half ago I had 10ml voluma at Androfill London
Great results so far ,most of it is still here and pretty even no big lumps . Attached some pics

I came in at 5.1" mid...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started September 19th, 2023 21:30 UTC, by [fightclub](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760417-fightclub.html "View fightclub's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10155497-ellanse-on-top-of-voluma.html#1308714139 "I'm 6.3" at the base and I can say with all the confidence in the world that it is very thick. There have been instances where full insertion becomes a challenge because the shape is tapered so that...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  September 20th, 2023 00:15 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/generaldoc/10153125-androfill-discount-program-for-members-of-phalloboards-europeans.html#1308706621)

###  [Androfill Discount Program for Members of PhalloBoards &amp; Europeans](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/generaldoc/10153125-androfill-discount-program-for-members-of-phalloboards-europeans.html#1308706621 "Our Sponsor Androfill (based in the U.K.) is now offering 5%-off on all procedures by following the directions below. Every bit counts in this Economic climate, and for those on the fence (especially...")

  Category: [Announcement Topics by the World's Leading Doctors &amp; Clinics specializing in Male Enhancement](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/generaldoc.html "Announcement Topics from vetted Practitioners from all over the World advancing the field of male phalloplasty (also known as penis enlargement).")
 Topic started June 5th, 2020 10:04 UTC, by [PhalloBoardsSystemAccount](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6759928-phalloboardssystemaccount.html "View PhalloBoardsSystemAccount's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/generaldoc/10153125-androfill-discount-program-for-members-of-phalloboards-europeans.html#1308708985 "Thank you for the follow up! I met with Dr Galope at Lasting Impressions in NJ, and he was great!") by [runner.mark](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6764602-runner-mark.html "View runner.mark's Profile")  October 3rd, 2022 07:15 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html#1308706207)

###  [57ml Ellanse Progress and Beyond](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html#1308706207 "For my second rd I had 16ml of Ellanse injected and I gained considerably less than my first round of 12ml. Also, I developed a pretty wicked hard spot/nodule after rd 2 on top center shaft about a...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started July 8th, 2021 15:21 UTC, by [Hyperbol](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760514-hyperbol.html "View Hyperbol's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html?start=30 "Page:3")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153941-57ml-ellanse-progress-and-beyond.html?start=30#1308714564 "This is a fantastic post. The kind of insight I miss from the old PhalloBoards. Cheers mate!") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  November 5th, 2023 16:02 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308705100)

###  [Planning my trip to Androfill](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308705100 "Hey guys going forward with the Ellanse treatment soon.

Androfill seems to be very relaxed about the post procedure molding of the product. They said I dont need to come in for a checkup next day. And...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started August 24th, 2021 09:09 UTC, by [Joytoy](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6630131-joytoy.html "View Joytoy's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308707737 "What type of gains did you have? And what were your stats?

Would be interested to see a pic of before and after, and the bunched material issue if you would be so kind to do it for the other users benefit.") by [karmaz1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6764487-karmaz1.html "View karmaz1's Profile")  May 26th, 2022 11:44 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308705098)

###  [Planning my trip to Androfill](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308705098 "Hey guys going forward with the Ellanse treatment soon.

Androfill seems to be very relaxed about the post procedure molding of the product. They said I dont need to come in for a checkup next day. And...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started August 24th, 2021 09:09 UTC, by [Joytoy](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6630131-joytoy.html "View Joytoy's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10154046-planning-my-trip-to-androfill.html#1308707737 "What type of gains did you have? And what were your stats?

Would be interested to see a pic of before and after, and the bunched material issue if you would be so kind to do it for the other users benefit.") by [karmaz1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6764487-karmaz1.html "View karmaz1's Profile")  May 26th, 2022 11:44 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153985-a-pmma-horror-story-oh-no.html#1308704546)

###  [A pmma horror story (oh no)](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153985-a-pmma-horror-story-oh-no.html#1308704546 "someone on thunderpalace posted his experience with pmma and said they lost 2.5 inches in length cause of it

Post PMMA
So, I’ve been a member here for many years. I have had some great success...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started July 24th, 2021 04:29 UTC, by [Unhung1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6452834-unhung1.html "View Unhung1's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153985-a-pmma-horror-story-oh-no.html#1308704651 "Sad history. If I can remember, Dan is not even a Doctor, just an internet “guru” (I mean, scammer).") by [Ozymandias](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760368-ozymandias.html "View Ozymandias's Profile")  August 1st, 2021 09:41 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308703092)

###  [Greygreygrey gets PMMA \[Journal\] (Photos Inside)](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=60#1308703092 "Starting my PMMA diary.

I just booked into The Grand Hotel in Tijuana, and tomorrow morning, I'm getting PMMA with Dr. Morales at Avanti tomorrow :blink:.

Very excited for it is an understatement....")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started December 11th, 2020 08:22 UTC, by [greygreygrey](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4626266-greygreygrey.html "View greygreygrey's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153489-greygreygrey-gets-pmma-journal-photos-inside.html?start=150#1308725558 "Did this guy ever give an update on his round 3? Did he get a round 4?") by [Vongolaxespada1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6776147-vongolaxespada1.html "View Vongolaxespada1's Profile")  July 31st, 2026 06:00 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=15#1308703062)

###  [My Journey to Find an inch with PMMA (Finally)](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=15#1308703062 "So the time has come. It’s been a 10 year ride for me on deciding on whether or not I want to get this done, and the time is now upon us. I am finally getting My procedure done with Avanti Derma on...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started April 18th, 2021 01:56 UTC, by [New1inch](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1727852-new1inch.html "View New1inch's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=15 "Page:2")
- [3](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=30 "Page:3")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153753-my-journey-to-find-an-inch-with-pmma-finally.html?start=90#1308710860 "this is the greatest thread in history. such a roller coaster of emotions") by [beeftwinkie](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6765825-beeftwinkie.html "View beeftwinkie's Profile")  February 16th, 2023 07:26 UTC

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###  [Androfill - Will/Does Ellanse M cost the same as L/E](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15#1308703042 "Hello everyone :)

So I read that they've stopped making Ellanse L and E and I was wondering if anyone knew if Ellanse will be thus less expensive at the Androfill clinic.

How much does it cost per...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started April 20th, 2021 08:33 UTC, by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15#1308703043 "Should gain around 0.5" to 0.6"[/quote]

Thx") by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")  April 23rd, 2021 00:06 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html#1308703026)

###  [Androfill - Will/Does Ellanse M cost the same as L/E](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html#1308703026 "Hello everyone :)

So I read that they've stopped making Ellanse L and E and I was wondering if anyone knew if Ellanse will be thus less expensive at the Androfill clinic.

How much does it cost per...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started April 20th, 2021 08:33 UTC, by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15#1308703043 "Should gain around 0.5" to 0.6"[/quote]

Thx") by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")  April 23rd, 2021 00:06 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html#1308703014)

###  [Androfill - Will/Does Ellanse M cost the same as L/E](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html#1308703014 "Hello everyone :)

So I read that they've stopped making Ellanse L and E and I was wondering if anyone knew if Ellanse will be thus less expensive at the Androfill clinic.

How much does it cost per...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started April 20th, 2021 08:33 UTC, by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153756-androfill-will-does-ellanse-m-cost-the-same-as-l-e.html?start=15#1308703043 "Should gain around 0.5" to 0.6"[/quote]

Thx") by [Concelhaut](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6762292-concelhaut.html "View Concelhaut's Profile")  April 23rd, 2021 00:06 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153715-ellanse-collagen-half-life-15-years.html#1308702955)

###  [Ellanse collagen half life 15 years?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153715-ellanse-collagen-half-life-15-years.html#1308702955 "How is your Ellanse holding up? I read that the collagen half life is 15 years... Meaning the results would last longer than the ellanse... Any opinions or experiences with ellanse long term?")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started April 1st, 2021 05:08 UTC, by [johnyyasdf](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6761969-johnyyasdf.html "View johnyyasdf's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153715-ellanse-collagen-half-life-15-years.html#1308702958 "I suggest to be prudent, and take those claims with a pinch of salt. A lot more of practical evidence is needed.") by [Ozymandias](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760368-ozymandias.html "View Ozymandias's Profile")  April 17th, 2021 01:18 UTC

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###  [Ellanse collagen half life 15 years?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153715-ellanse-collagen-half-life-15-years.html#1308702798 "How is your Ellanse holding up? I read that the collagen half life is 15 years... Meaning the results would last longer than the ellanse... Any opinions or experiences with ellanse long term?")

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 Topic started April 1st, 2021 05:08 UTC, by [johnyyasdf](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6761969-johnyyasdf.html "View johnyyasdf's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153715-ellanse-collagen-half-life-15-years.html#1308702958 "I suggest to be prudent, and take those claims with a pinch of salt. A lot more of practical evidence is needed.") by [Ozymandias](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760368-ozymandias.html "View Ozymandias's Profile")  April 17th, 2021 01:18 UTC

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###  [Pmma after elanse?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153459-pmma-after-elanse.html#1308700567 "Hey guys, just wondering y’all’s thoughts on getting pmma after Ellanse. I’ve currently had two sessions with Dr.C, both procedures have went well and I’ve yielded about a quarter inch in...")

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 Topic started November 17th, 2020 01:38 UTC, by [Skinny123](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760047-skinny123.html "View Skinny123's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153459-pmma-after-elanse.html#1308700752 "most of us are gaining a 1/2 inch on 10ml") by [Texas](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6380043-texas.html "View Texas's Profile")  December 3rd, 2020 22:20 UTC

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###  [Pmma after elanse?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153459-pmma-after-elanse.html#1308700564 "Hey guys, just wondering y’all’s thoughts on getting pmma after Ellanse. I’ve currently had two sessions with Dr.C, both procedures have went well and I’ve yielded about a quarter inch in...")

  Category: [Progress Reports &amp; The Patient Support Group](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group.html "BEFORE AND AFTER Photos can be found here. You will find a supportive community of like-minded men sharing their experiences with penis enlargement procedures (also known as Progress Reports).")
 Topic started November 17th, 2020 01:38 UTC, by [Skinny123](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760047-skinny123.html "View Skinny123's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153459-pmma-after-elanse.html#1308700752 "most of us are gaining a 1/2 inch on 10ml") by [Texas](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6380043-texas.html "View Texas's Profile")  December 3rd, 2020 22:20 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153376-seeking-modest-result-w-ellanse-how-long-estimate-till-consistent-sex.html#1308700152)

###  [Seeking modest result w Ellansé - How long (Estimate) till consistent sex?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153376-seeking-modest-result-w-ellanse-how-long-estimate-till-consistent-sex.html#1308700152 "If you are going for 8Ml I think you will end up with around a 1/2" increase and not 1/4" as you want.

Im also around the same size as you, looking forward for your results.
Good luck with your procedure with mr C.
.")

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 Topic started October 22nd, 2020 16:45 UTC, by [fightclub](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760417-fightclub.html "View fightclub's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10153376-seeking-modest-result-w-ellanse-how-long-estimate-till-consistent-sex.html#1308700176 "Generally we say no sex for 1 week. Some guys get more swelling and maybe need 10days. 16+ days and you should be fine. the product should not be mobile, the access points healed up. Yes you probably...") by [Dr\_Oates](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")  October 24th, 2020 11:24 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=15#1308700091)

###  [(Ellanse) Has anyone exceeded their initial gain from the carrier after collagen](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=15#1308700091 "Title pretty much says it. I’m wondering if anyone measured more size after the 12 week curve compared to their initial results once swelling has gone down. The curve, if to be taken literally ( it...")

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 Topic started October 1st, 2020 23:45 UTC, by [Hyperbol](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760514-hyperbol.html "View Hyperbol's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=15#1308700096 "I had 2 small rubbery nodules, likely scar tissue from inflammation (which is why I suggested what I did above). One resolved after treatment, the other got smaller. Not that noticeable, overall definitely happy with it.") by [think](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile")  October 16th, 2020 16:02 UTC

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###  [(Ellanse) Has anyone exceeded their initial gain from the carrier after collagen](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html#1308700061 "Title pretty much says it. I’m wondering if anyone measured more size after the 12 week curve compared to their initial results once swelling has gone down. The curve, if to be taken literally ( it...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started October 1st, 2020 23:45 UTC, by [Hyperbol](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760514-hyperbol.html "View Hyperbol's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153350-ellanse-has-anyone-exceeded-their-initial-gain-from-the-carrier-after-collagen.html?start=15#1308700096 "I had 2 small rubbery nodules, likely scar tissue from inflammation (which is why I suggested what I did above). One resolved after treatment, the other got smaller. Not that noticeable, overall definitely happy with it.") by [think](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/5799362-think.html "View think's Profile")  October 16th, 2020 16:02 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10152889-after-2-rounds-of-ellanse-with-dr-oates-photos-inside.html#1308699950)

###  [After 2 rounds of Ellanse with Dr Oates. (Photos Inside)](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10152889-after-2-rounds-of-ellanse-with-dr-oates-photos-inside.html#1308699950 "I went for Ellanse with Dr Oates in August 2018 and August 2019. Before I saw Dr Oates, I had my circumcision, vasectomy, and lig cut done in that order. This is my journey.

Before everything.
NBPEL...")

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 Topic started December 8th, 2019 23:40 UTC, by [Dekachin](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2034978-dekachin.html "View Dekachin's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/progress-reports-the-patient-support-group/10152889-after-2-rounds-of-ellanse-with-dr-oates-photos-inside.html#1308699950 "Congrats on your great results. A 3.4cm / 1.3inch gain is great ,just from 2 rounds and 23ml´s.

You just went from an average girth (4.6") to top 0,1% 6"+girth territory
Maybe collagen will also...") by [fightclub](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760417-fightclub.html "View fightclub's Profile")  October 5th, 2020 16:50 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153348-kenalog-and-ellanse.html#1308699940)

###  [Kenalog and Ellanse](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153348-kenalog-and-ellanse.html#1308699940 "So I am right at the two month mark on Ellanse. Had a zoom consult with Dr C yesterday. Have a pretty good sized hard lump on the left side by the top (circ scar) and a small one on the right side....")

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 Topic started September 30th, 2020 22:22 UTC, by [dstern22](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2001376-dstern22.html "View dstern22's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153348-kenalog-and-ellanse.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153348-kenalog-and-ellanse.html?start=15#1308701343 "I have used kenalog thousands of times, usually for just swelling so dont be too worried about the treatment. It is like worrying about a car ride because you have heard of a crash.") by [Dr\_Oates](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")  January 11th, 2021 23:57 UTC

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###  [Newbie looking for opinions from experienced patients](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153315-newbie-looking-for-opinions-from-experienced-patients.html?start=15#1308699732 "Hi everyone...this is Jason from miami. Im a 48 year old guy with a small dick looking for the possiblity of enhancement. Im about 5.7 inches long erect and about 3.7 inches in girth erect as well....")

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 Topic started September 8th, 2020 19:58 UTC, by [jasonflorida10](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760984-jasonflorida10.html "View jasonflorida10's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153315-newbie-looking-for-opinions-from-experienced-patients.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153315-newbie-looking-for-opinions-from-experienced-patients.html?start=15#1308699754 "Curious if any of the posters on this topic know if anyone in the US can do this kind of work - regardless of cost. I'm uncircumsized and that's a hoop I"m jumping thru now before I can have any kind of enhancement done.") by [Sketch2000](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760845-sketch2000.html "View Sketch2000's Profile")  September 21st, 2020 15:44 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699711)

###  [How long for Ellanse / Collagen rebuild?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699711 "I've seen the chart from Ellanse that shows about 6-8 weeks, is the full rebuild time. But for those that have had Ellanse, did you experience the reduction in size, and then an increase from...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started September 16th, 2020 19:16 UTC, by [dstern22](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2001376-dstern22.html "View dstern22's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153332-how-long-for-ellanse-collagen-rebuild.html#1308699811 "Dermal fillers like PMMA, Ellanse, and Radiesse stimulate collagen growth, and that collagen is effectively your "new" girth. Products and supplements that aid in collagen health/production in...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  September 24th, 2020 19:21 UTC

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###  [Ellanse for 4 yrs or dissolved before ?](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153270-ellanse-for-4-yrs-or-dissolved-before.html#1308699108 "Has anybody had the Ellanse for the full term as far as is disolving all the way? Im asking because looking into temp filler . Also does it disolve in patches , how long did it last ? And also did you touched it up?")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started August 21st, 2020 12:06 UTC, by [Money1300](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4456497-money1300.html "View Money1300's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153270-ellanse-for-4-yrs-or-dissolved-before.html#1308699115 "From everything I have heard it seem that the product may last longer than advertised. It will be interesting to see how much collagen remains and what if any gains are permanent after the Ellanse dissolves totally.") by [dstern22](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/2001376-dstern22.html "View dstern22's Profile")  August 21st, 2020 16:42 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html#1308699095)

###  [Ellanse at Androfill](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html#1308699095 "How are we lads...

First of all, very very thankful and grateful to everyone here. I would've gone ahead with the penuma hadn't I come across the forum. It has helped me navigate this world of...")

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 Topic started August 20th, 2020 03:10 UTC, by [Andy990](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760191-andy990.html "View Andy990's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=0 "Page:1")
- [2](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15 "Page:2")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153266-ellanse-at-androfill.html?start=15#1308717380 "I've reached out to Francis to get a comprehensive update on all matters-Androfill. I suspect in time they likely will but until I have this conversation, I won't know entirely.

Again, an hour...") by [Skeptical\_One](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/1704847-skeptical-one.html "View Skeptical_One's Profile")  May 22nd, 2024 16:03 UTC

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###  [penoscrotal webbing correction surgery (Photos Inside)](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/testicularforum/10153263-penoscrotal-webbing-correction-surgery-photos-inside.html#1308699062 "I have a surgery scheduled next month to correct my penoscrotal webbing that is due to a aggressive circumcision as an infant. The surgery will be done by a reconstructive urologist/surgeon and will...")

  Category: [Other Male Procedures: Vasectomies, Adult Circumcisions, Testicular Enlargement, Glans Enhancement, Scrotal Webbing Reduction, Etc.](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/testicularforum.html "Forum for users interested in discussing other male enhancement procedures not directly associated with girth enhancement or lengthening. Examples include scrotal enlargement, glans enlargement, fat pad reduction, and penoscrotal webbing.")
 Topic started August 18th, 2020 19:17 UTC, by [moemoe](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760466-moemoe.html "View moemoe's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/testicularforum/10153263-penoscrotal-webbing-correction-surgery-photos-inside.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/testicularforum/10153263-penoscrotal-webbing-correction-surgery-photos-inside.html?start=75#1308724736 "It depends on who your injector is, but most will only inject on the sides. If you inject on the top, you risk hitting the dorsal nerves, and if you inject on the underside, you could hit the urethra....") by [BrianC90](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6770332-brianc90.html "View BrianC90's Profile")  March 20th, 2026 18:19 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153240-discolouration-after-ellanse.html#1308698940)

###  [Discolouration after Ellanse](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153240-discolouration-after-ellanse.html#1308698940 "If youve read any of my other posts you know I’ve had a few problems since having Ellanse E injected by Androfill at the beginning of the year involving lumps and poor distribution

The latest...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started August 2nd, 2020 15:06 UTC, by [Machinations](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6760093-machinations.html "View Machinations's Profile")

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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153240-discolouration-after-ellanse.html#1308698948 "Hi Machinations,

Had a look through some of your earlier threads. Interested to hear/see how things are going. Especially if I can see the discolouration.") by [Dr\_Oates](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4460953-dr-oates.html "View Dr_Oates's Profile")  August 6th, 2020 04:07 UTC

 [](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153029-5-years-post-pmma-regrets.html?start=15#1308698826)

###  [5 years post PMMA...regrets](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153029-5-years-post-pmma-regrets.html?start=15#1308698826 "I was an avid member in Ver. 2.0 and now would like to share my thoughts about PMMA long term here in Ver.3.0.

If anyone cares to read my old threads and posts, I was ecstatic about being bigger,...")

  Category: [General Phalloplasty / Penoplasty Discussion](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion.html "Phalloplasty (a.k.a. penoplasty) is a field in aesthetic medicine aimed at enlarging the penis. All relevant discussion regarding girth and lengthening takes place here.")
 Topic started February 29th, 2020 23:55 UTC, by [AstroD](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/4285491-astrod.html "View AstroD's Profile")

- [1](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153029-5-years-post-pmma-regrets.html?start=0 "Page:1")
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 [Last Post](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/general-discussion/10153029-5-years-post-pmma-regrets.html?start=30#1308724086 "hey astroD please update us") by [younggun3](https://phalloboards.info/general-forum/user/6767980-younggun3.html "View younggun3's Profile")  January 23rd, 2026 05:36 UTC

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