TOPIC: Otter's PMMA Log

runner.mark wrote: Correct me if I’m wrong, the ingredient list shows silica/silicone on it. Just a question of what is their ratio of ingredients. From what it sounds like, they’re trialing a new filler type.

Silica would be different from silicone oil injected

Otterboi wrote: I think you're confused about the percentage; it'd 20% PMMA in the solution, not 4%. I apologize for any confusion.

Bellafill on its own is 20% PMMA. If you're mixing Bellafill with other stuff then by definition the final product is going to be less than 20% PMMA.

As I stated earlier I was unsure if it was exactly Bellafill or another. Bellafill is just a brand name of PMMA, if you want the answers for the exact and not just my vague memories please contact the clinic. I'm not here to debate on whether they're using certain filler or brands, just to report on the experience and results.

Otterboi wrote:

otis wrote: I'm confused by this as well. Bellafill is itself 20% PMMA so if their solution is 20% Bellafill that would mean they're injecting 4% PMMA, seemingly too low to make much impact. But if it's not Bellafill then where are they getting the PMMA? Linnea isn't approved in the US and you can't just go buy PMMA microspheres. Even if you could you've just created a new dermal filler that, as SO mentions, would need FDA approval. I guess they could trial it like is happening with Otter, but how would they ever make it commercial?

The first listed ingredient is carboxymethylcellulose which makes it sound like they're trying to make their own version of Linnea Safe, which also uses a cellulose carrier. Why someone should get a filler cooked up by a Loria affiliate vs one made by a pharmaceutical company, tested for years, and approved by a regulator is a question I would love to hear them answer.

I genuinely hope everything works out for Otter but for anyone else reading this I would urge extreme caution when considering this clinic/procedure.

I think you're confused about the percentage; it'd 20% PMMA in the solution, not 4%. I apologize for any confusion.

As well, Best Man is not a Loria affiliate. Dr Dellinger may have in the past at his own clinic but certainly not now.

There's a lot of questions and speculation that can be answered by simply contacting the clinic instead of trying to start a witch hunt and fear monger about material. I truly understand what I'm doing here and I'm happy to be part of a trial in which there may be better results for future men.

@otis what a great catch, how did I not catch this?

@Otterboi I don't believe he's confused. The only legally sourced PMMA in the U.S. is Bellafill, which contains 20% PMMA (80% Bovine Carrier). If he's using a mixture containing 20% Bellafill, you're only getting 4% PMMA, which would seem quite underwhelming.

If the filler actually has 20% actual PMMA, then he's making a product akin to Linnea Safe & Bellafill, which would I'm pretty sure would pose a lot of new questions & issues like: where is he sourcing his PMMA microspheres -and- is he having it patented and reviewed by a regulatory body like the FDA?

On a side note, I don't believe silica and silicone oil are the same thing, and it is good to hear that Dr. Dellinger no longer affiliates himself with Loria. However, given the prominence of PMMA as a topic on this forum, the aforementioned line of questioning should be addressed.

I know this is about your experiences and not a debate, but it's my responsibility to ensure my readership are informed. I'm sure there is a good explanation, possibly miscommunication. Perhaps you can email the Clinic and get clarification, it would probably be in everyone's best interest I'd imagine.

Day 8 photos: measuring around 5" Flaccid Girth, no Erect Girth yet. Settling well, keeping the wrap on. Ignore the tape residue on the scrotum, from the wrapping process.

Skeptical_One wrote:

Otterboi wrote:

otis wrote: I'm confused by this as well. Bellafill is itself 20% PMMA so if their solution is 20% Bellafill that would mean they're injecting 4% PMMA, seemingly too low to make much impact. But if it's not Bellafill then where are they getting the PMMA? Linnea isn't approved in the US and you can't just go buy PMMA microspheres. Even if you could you've just created a new dermal filler that, as SO mentions, would need FDA approval. I guess they could trial it like is happening with Otter, but how would they ever make it commercial?

The first listed ingredient is carboxymethylcellulose which makes it sound like they're trying to make their own version of Linnea Safe, which also uses a cellulose carrier. Why someone should get a filler cooked up by a Loria affiliate vs one made by a pharmaceutical company, tested for years, and approved by a regulator is a question I would love to hear them answer.

I genuinely hope everything works out for Otter but for anyone else reading this I would urge extreme caution when considering this clinic/procedure.

I think you're confused about the percentage; it'd 20% PMMA in the solution, not 4%. I apologize for any confusion.

As well, Best Man is not a Loria affiliate. Dr Dellinger may have in the past at his own clinic but certainly not now.

There's a lot of questions and speculation that can be answered by simply contacting the clinic instead of trying to start a witch hunt and fear monger about material. I truly understand what I'm doing here and I'm happy to be part of a trial in which there may be better results for future men.

@otis what a great catch, how did I not catch this?

@Otterboi I don't believe he's confused. The only legally sourced PMMA in the U.S. is Bellafill, which contains 20% PMMA (80% Bovine Carrier). If he's using a mixture containing 20% Bellafill, you're only getting 4% PMMA, which would seem quite underwhelming.

If the filler actually has 20% actual PMMA, then he's making a product akin to Linnea Safe & Bellafill, which would I'm pretty sure would pose a lot of new questions & issues like: where is he sourcing his PMMA microspheres -and- is he having it patented and reviewed by a regulatory body like the FDA?

On a side note, I don't believe silica and silicone oil are the same thing, and it is good to hear that Dr. Dellinger no longer affiliates himself with Loria. However, given the prominence of PMMA as a topic on this forum, the aforementioned line of questioning should be addressed.

I know this is about your experiences and not a debate, but it's my responsibility to ensure my readership are informed. I'm sure there is a good explanation, possibly miscommunication. Perhaps you can email the Clinic and get clarification, it would probably be in everyone's best interest I'd imagine.

On my next email with them I can ask but I think it would also be due diligence of folks to seek out answers to questions they have as well. Besides, maybe they'll be a sponsor here if you reach out and discuss the forum; I would imagine coming from you may be more respectable.

To the idiot I had to ban and delete their post - don't hijack someone else's thread, bash a Sponsor who isn't even involved in this topic (and misspell their name no less), and ever advocate the garbage that is Loria (he doesn't deserve the title of Doctor). I only wrote this because those who were subscribed to this post would have likely got an email notification of the comment I deleted, and wanted them to understand the premise of my deletion (and ban) because I do believe in the free flow of information and transparency.

This dunce failed all forms of forum etiquette, and as such, my decision was made. As for my disdain for Loria, think of it this way -- I turned down his request for Sponsorship, and in turn a considerable sum of cash. Why would I do this? Because I don't want my Readership, Community, and Fraternity to believe in any way shape or form his version of Male Enhancement is ethical or safe (injecting large volumes of silicone and who knows what else?). He's Dr. Elist levels of bad.

Please resume the topic, thanks.