TOPIC: I'm at my wit's end

I don\'t know if I can post there. In case, please move the thread. Or delete it if I can\'t post anything like that up here. Sorry bad eng.

first of all: 19 years old, Italian.

I really don\'t know what to do. Last month was terrible to me. After 18, unhealthy years I finally came to the conclusion that I absolutely can\'t go on like this. I mean, I\'m not obese, okay, but I have a \"nice\" belly. I\'m fat. I know I have a pretty face but without the body I\'m not going to get anywhere. Okay like, losing weight is d best thing I can do. The fact is, I can\'t going to gym bc my small penis. I\'m shy af and I will never have a shower \'cause of this. When I saw online the Dr. Elist Implant I was like \"wtf? U being serious? This can literally save my life\", and since I already have 15.000 ' saved I thought I could wait this two years and then absolutely going for it. I mean, 1.5 Erect lenght gained at least? Girth increased? WOW. I\'ve even seen the videos of his former patiens. I\'ve seen the procedure is FDA approved. It also costs a nice amount of cash. Damn, I was sure this had to be real. Two years are nothing if this really works, innit? I was entusiastic.

But then, while I was googling around about the procedure, what did I see? D thread \"My dr Elist implant experience\". Let\'s have a look. I read the whole topic. I couldn\'t see the pics but the comments were... okay you read the topic, you know what I\'m talking about. Then I\'ve read another topic, then one another. They were all like the first one. I\'m very sorry for all of them but... I\'m not going into it. I\'m scared. Maybe they saved my life-- or, at least, my penis. Who knows...

Now.

I\'m running but I\'d really want to go to the gym. But I can\'t. This is destroying me.
My Erect penis is just 12 cm. Okay, is in the average I read. But with 20 less kg I\'m pretty sure that I can get a straight 13 cm. At least I\'m willing to.
The Flaccid penis is just terrible. Terrible.
Now. My friend, who has a 14 Erect penis, has a veeeery nice Girth and her woman loves his penis.
I did some research. I know that with a 13 cm Erect penis you\'re good, what it counts is the Girth. I\'m bad with it.
I read about the fat injection but I\'M NOT into it.
I read about the PMMA. I think it\'s good. While I was searching for the PMMA, what did I find? \"PMMA is bad some people has problems\".
My god. I\'m going crazy. I have a long-term friendship with this girl. We talk just during night time since we both frequent an evening school. She\'s from my same city.
Except I lied to her. When we started getting along well and shared some photos (my face is pretty, luckily) she was willing to see me. Me too, but with a nice, fit body. So I told her that I\'m not in Rome rn but I just can\'t wait to return home. Her cousin told me that she\'s really into me and if the first encouter goes well... I\'ll have a georgeus and kind girlfriend. She\'s so sweet, damn.

But I know I can\'t satisfy her with my penis (she\'s even black goddamn!). I absolutely can\'t.

Here comes the questions.

I want to gain Girth in both Flaccid and Erect lenght. Even a Inch is good. And I want it without almost no risks (surgery is always a risk). Is out there a SAFE and PERMANENT procedure for it?
I thought also to cut the suspensory ligament, so I can start gym. But again I read that it\'s not safe. Is it safe? N.b. as I said,I have saved ca. 15.000'.
Can I perform both of \'em? Or if I do one then I can\'t do the other one and stuff like that?
I\'d like to know if dr. Elist procedure improved in the last two years. Or it\'s always a.. well, you know.
Also, no chance to arrive at a 14/15cm Erect lenght which would be awesome?

I don\'t know what to think. I\'m not interested in gain Erect lenght. Just Girth and Flaccid lenght and Girth. You know, for start to live. The gym. And meet this girl with a certain level of self-confidence. I can\'t believe there\'s nothing out there for help me... Jesus, I just want a decent penis. Not that long. Not that monster pornostars have. Just a penis I can use without shy, with confidence, a penis that allows me to use the slip at the beach. A penis I can have a proud shower with. A penis that can satisfy my future woman with a decent Girth. Not really interested in a 18 cm erected or something, even if it would be nice, okay. But I\'m okay with a 12~14. Nothing more, not asking for the moon. Jesus. Believe me guys, this situation is ing me. I\'m depressed. A friend of mine, a few weeks ago, told in the whatsapp group of our \"I have a 17 cm penis\". I\'m invidious. I\'m okay with a 12/13, but at least, dear God, gimme a decent Girth, ffs. Let me live, let me hear my future woman happy. Lemme gain a self-confidence I never had before.

Thanks in advance.

p.s.: again, sorry for my bad English. I\'m Italian, it\'s hella late here and I learnt English on my own. Still improving it.

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Just don\'t shower in the gym but go home and shower there.

For length there is no good operation, go to thundersplace and take a look at eg Hanging.

For Girth, i did PMMA. Yes, stuff can go wrong. Just read all the reports in the reports section to get a picture of what can go wrong or right.

Dream wrote: Just don\'t shower in the gym but go home and shower there.

For length there is no good operation, go to thundersplace and take a look at eg Hanging.

For Girth, i did PMMA. Yes, stuff can go wrong. Just read all the reports in the reports section to get a picture of what can go wrong or right.

Thanks for answering. It means a lot.

I didn\'t have any expectation for the lenght. What I\'m afraid of is the Girth. I know that if I lost weight my penis would seems a 13, 13.5, 14 cm straight and I\'m okay with that. And I also read that the cut of the ligament, you can gain something like 0.5cm. Which, for me, is hella good. Would be okay with that.

As I said the only thing I want is to grow Girth. I read the topics about the PMMA and I could give it a go. It would be a problem to fly over there three times but it could be useful. How is it for you? Good? How much Girth did you gain? Did it worth the cost?

Anyway, while searching I even found the Sava Perovic Foundation (I don\'t know if I can name it). That one seems interesting. And realistic, not like the Elist promises on lenght gaining. It just says that with them you can perform both the operations I described above and you\'ll eventually gain st like 3cm Girth. That would be great and I can\'t find anything negative about it.

Cutting ligs is thought upon very badly here (do a search. basically: you have to do Hanging after it, gains probably just come from that, lig cut can lead to even shorter penis)

Read my journal and others for gains and everything.

I have not done lig cut, but looked at it. My honest opinion is stay away. The potential gain is minimal and as Dream points out most likely due to Hanging. The procedure can give you a shorter penis. You need to look at the potential gain compared to loss. To me the potential gain when you look at cost, potential complications and even losing length it does not make sense. I would say focus on Girth if you feel you need to do something, but ideally learn to live with what you have. Girth is more important and easier to do something about, but read a lot before making any decision. PMMA is basically a one way ticket.

Dream wrote: Cutting ligs is thought upon very badly here (do a search. basically: you have to do Hanging after it, gains probably just come from that, lig cut can lead to even shorter penis)

Read my journal and others for gains and everything.

Thanks alot for your entries.

I\'m going to read everything asa I get home with my laptop.

George7 wrote: I have not done lig cut, but looked at it. My honest opinion is stay away. The potential gain is minimal and as Dream points out most likely due to Hanging. The procedure can give you a shorter penis. You need to look at the potential gain compared to loss. To me the potential gain when you look at cost, potential complications and even losing length it does not make sense. I would say focus on Girth if you feel you need to do something, but ideally learn to live with what you have. Girth is more important and easier to do something about, but read a lot before making any decision. PMMA is basically a one way ticket.

Thanks for the reply.

Maybe yesterday I didn\'t explain well-- but I\'m not interested in gain EL. I mean, if it\'s possible and it\'s something about 99% sure okay, I\'ll go for it, but I think a 13 with a decent Girth is enough.

So, since my Girth is bad, I was looking for something. I\'m not really into the fat injections, nor the HA since it\'s not permanent. PMMA is the safest procedure? Did you have it? Are its results permanent? Furthermore with a good Flaccid Girth I could even start gym. Would be good.

Thanks in advance.

Lig cuts can be hit and miss. Usually a miss though if you want Erect gains. Mine worked out but not without minor complications. Ended up w an extra 1 Inch Flaccid from 3.9 to 5.1. But yes you must hang religiously. I was a previous Hanger, extender, pumper, manual etc who plateued at 3.9\" for quite some time so no my gains post surgery did not come from Hanging only. I believe severing the suspensory ligament helped me gain Flaccid length, I think this is rather common actually. Its the Erect that you don\'t see many if any gains from. Didn\'t do much for my Erect at all, only 1/4 Inch gain.

Honestly though, a lot of fillers today can reduce Turtling and give you a similar effect. Mainly it\'s due to the weight and the scaffolding effect the product causes. My advice would be to begin stretching (scientifically proven) for Flaccid gain coupled with weight loss. Then try a filler, but do your research about the long term effects or side effects of each filler. The side effects of some dermal fillers can be much more harmful than a lig cut!!

Regards,
LL

Thanks everyone for the reply. Glad that I\'m not alone in this shitty journey.

@Dream, I cannot find your journal. Can you please link it?

LatinLog wrote: Lig cuts can be hit and miss. Usually a miss though if you want Erect gains. Mine worked out but not without minor complications. Ended up w an extra 1 Inch Flaccid from 3.9 to 5.1. But yes you must hang religiously. I was a previous Hanger, extender, pumper, manual etc who plateued at 3.9\" for quite some time so no my gains post surgery did not come from Hanging only. I believe severing the suspensory ligament helped me gain Flaccid length, I think this is rather common actually. Its the Erect that you don\'t see many if any gains from. Didn\'t do much for my Erect at all, only 1/4 Inch gain.

Honestly though, a lot of fillers today can reduce Turtling and give you a similar effect. Mainly it\'s due to the weight and the scaffolding effect the product causes. My advice would be to begin stretching (scientifically proven) for Flaccid gain coupled with weight loss. Then try a filler, but do your research about the long term effects or side effects of each filler. The side effects of some dermal fillers can be much more harmful than a lig cut!!

Regards,
LL

Thank you very much for answering.

I\'m sure you can\'t gain any EL and you have to live with it. So I\'m not really searching for it. Correct me if I\'m wrong, but losing weight could make visible something like 0.5~1 cm of my EL. Plus, the lig cutd could let me gain-again something around 0.3~0.5 EL. Almost 2cms are a lot and I would be okay with it. Which were the complications you had?
But as I said I\'m not very interested in a long Erect penis. Size does matter, okay, but a 13.5 penis is enough what does matter\'s the Girth. Right? The pontetial gain of less than 1 Inch is good. Not searchin for it, tho.

What I want is Girth. And for fillers you mean things like PMMA? It zeems like to be the only, last and valid option since the Sava Perovic Foundation doesn\'t do this kind of operation no more. And it\'s permanent. Also I\'d not go for a monster, just need a little improvement. I suppose you didn\'t have one, right? You\'d not recommend PMMA?

Bah, world sucks. Ppl has 8 inchs long Dick with an embarassing Girth while we just want to have normal ones and we can\'t without spending a lot of money foe live a normal life. And not be afraid to be judged or something. Screw that.

My journal is right under every single post of mine

ps read all these:
phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the...28420?pid=1299928611

Thatsnolife-

Perhaps I overlooked it, but what is your current size? I understand you would like to gain 2cm in length. I think every guy on here would volunteer for that.
Gaining Girth is obtainable via filler. But it would be helpful to know the starting size.

Good luck man

Right now stop worrying about the penis size. Get a gym membership and work on a nice body. Get an older lady \"friend\" to teach you how to satisfy a woman, with AND without using your penis. Some girls care about penis size but most really don\'t. I have average Girth (~5\") and even the women with big, big vaginas don\'t have a problem getting an orgasm with it.

Lastly you are way too young to even consider PMMA or other drastic operations. Try manual PE for a few years at least before jumping to anything. It\'s a penis, it works, enjoy it!

You said you have '15k saved, this is enough to go see Dr C or Dr Oates for a session and still have some left over.
Your only 18, you have all the time in the world, I think you should try a temporary filler first.