TOPIC: going in for the filler consultation tomorrow

no cannula, just broke the syringes out the packet as he needed them and then injected about half at a time, so 16 \'sticks\' with the needle. its a small needle but i felt every single one, some more than others. that \'rub on\' lidocaine cream is rubbish doesnt do anything. i have stuck a needle in my penis before (when i was messing with saline) but it was a bigger needle and took more pushing, so this was nothing in comparison, but you know, 16 times... Cock is covered in little marks obviously. will take a pic in a day or two when it is healed up and any swelling goes down.
will also be able to tell how natural it really feels and looks then. i am NOT yet in a position to recommend this procedure based on price or result but will have a better idea after a few more days.
i can certainly feel lumpy bits, although some are my own veins, most are the HA where it was injected. I will give it a good going over in a few days - dr said not to mess with it for at least 2 to 3 days, then to \'massage\' it although he did not explain or show how.

i will update again properly and add some pics later this weekend though. i want to provide as much useful information as possible so other forum members can make an informed decision / rule out this option depending on their aims.

Have you ever had HA in the face? It sometimes feels like this for a week or two - but the benefit of the face is that it can be injected very deep. I used to have deep circles under my eyes and got Restylane and juvederm over the years. Often, it left these little Balls of filler... but then they smoothed out. Over time, the filler stimulated new collagen, and I don\'t get it anymore under there really.

In the nasolabial fold, the lumps stayed (and provided volume), but the skin is so thick there you couldn\'t see them. They could be felt easily. The lumps were very different than PMMA lumps. They felt like soft pads - like a cats paw. PMMA lumps feel like rocks and are even mildly jagged. So, your HA lumps (if they stay) may actually feel a little natural if it dwindles down to the point where it feels like veins or just natural penile tissue.

It\'s definitely great you started this log. I don\'t think there are too many (or any?) on HA fillers. Your product isn\'t available in the usa, but Juvederm would do a similar thing I would think. Good luck with the lumps...from my facial experience, massage didn\'t really help - but the body just let the material soften after a week or so (in the eye area).

The other big question I\'d be curious about is how HA adjusts from Flaccid to Erect. PMMA causes a network of your own collagen to form that integrates with your own tissue. This is all 100% foreign and not integrated with your tissue by design, so therein lies my question... but I really hope it turns out well. It could benefit a lot of guys, even for touch ups.

Brilliant update mischiefmkr, very formative. Well I have taken on board your advice & have purchased a cheapish pump from Amazon, glans pump plus scrotum stretcher as well. Now I need to get a stretcher, so many on the market & a big difference in price. I shall purchase one of these as well and then get reading.

I have to agree with Hunkydory and your message afterwards. A gradual increase looking natural with a very low risk of complications has got to be better than a huge gain but then endless amount of problems with a freakish looking Dick. Hopefully if you decide to go ahead with the volume filler top up you may get your Inch increase. Did you ask why they didn\'t offer the volume filler first time?

On there site there is '500 off if your recommend someone!!!!! You or I could of recommended you if we had seen this, not to sure if you could recommend me. Would be good if you could but I have already booked and paid for my consultation!!!!

Hopefully you haven\'t got to many lumps, & this sorts itself out after a few days. Like restoration, I too hope it turns out well for you. Good luck and thanks again for a great thread.........

@007 - thanks for your message - happy to do the \'recommend\' thing if you like. they refund the consultation fee anyway if you go ahead, not that '50 or even '500 should be a reason to go ahead - its a much bigger decision than financial. but i am in fairly regular contact with the agent guy anyway.
DO NOT RUSH INTO THIS.
also, glad you are going to try the pump. i cannot stress enough that you need to take it slow. like no more than 15 minutes the first day, then a break of 5 minutes or more, than 15 minutes again. do no more than that for the first week, then you can add maybe one more 15 minute session the next week and stay at that for minimum one month. pump every other day, or less is fine you just lose the \'pumped\' feeling, but dont do it every day, not until you have been at it for many months. i never had the time to do it more than once or twice a week anyway but some guys really go at it and get bruises and pressure spots (or even blisters) everywhere that take ages to completely heal up. if you really overdo it you can fuck up your Erection quality - speaking honestly, i did this repeatedly by \'overpumping\'. but dont worry too much either, because stuff goes back to normal after a while anyway.

@restoration - thank you so much for your advice about the fillers. i havent had any facial fillers so didnt quite know what to expect, i kind of thought it would just spread out in a uniform manner and obviously its a lot more \'blobby\' and thick than e.g. saline which i have done before and is just lovely and smooth and uniform. the \'cats paw\' description is exactly how it is, could easily be mistaken for a vein if it wasnt kind of too big and going the wrong directions (like, across my Cock in one spot). however...

...i am just a couple of days down the road and still \'adjusting\'. my Cock is still changing a bit. its covered in little dots where the needle went in for a start, although less today, its healing up as i would expect. last night (a day earlier than advised but hey i couldnt help it its been 3 days since the last time) i got hard and had a wank. and here is what i can tell you -

- when Flaccid - at the moment - Cock looks great to me, natural, uniform, just thicker \'across\' if you get what i mean - its kind of flatter and wider. i have to say i really like how it looks.
- when Erect - at the moment - its kind of lumpy and a bit odd. visually, absolutely fine, no mountains or hard Balls or nodules and lumps like i have seen on some of the PMMA threads (before they heal that is, that stuff does usually seem to work out ok i am not promoting HA over any other method, not till i see the end result for me), but when i feel it (and lets be honest, that is the point really, unless i am just going to stand around at home on my own looking at it in the mirror), well when i feel it, it is not really ok. at one point i slightly freaked myself out and was thinking \'wtf did i do to my lovely Cock i should just have stuck with pumping every so often for a bit of novelty\'.
however i think having a wank last night kind of smoothed it out a bit. it is definitely noticeable where the filler is when it touch it Erect, as in, i put my hand round it and think \'well thats no vein thats a lump of something like a blob of glue\'. lumps are smooth and even but they are noticeable. at the moment.
@restoration - i was very happy to read that when u had it in your face it sort of evened out or spread over time. that is what i hope for my Cock, because overall, i am now pretty happy with the Girth increase, all things considered. if i had this Girth increase with no \'inexplicable\' lumps, i would consider it a decent result but it is not what i really hoped for in terms of Girth increase or overall effect. yet.

TIME WILL TELL !

Juvederm ultra plus is what i got. i am sure thats available in the US - there are loads of people on the realself website talking about it.
i asked for Juvederm voluma but the doc said he preferred ultra plus as it as \'smoother and less prone to lumps\'. er... if what i got is the less lumpy option i am glad he stopped me going for the lumpy option !
Having said that, he has now said that after a 2 week \'cooling off period\' he will consider adding more if i want it and will consider the juvederm voluma after he has had a look at my Cock again.

i have made no firm decision about another session, its far too soon. i totally understand why they will only do max 8ml in the first session now and then insist that you wait 2 weeks. damn it, i hate being proved wrong by people who know more than i do

Curious if you have any post-op pics to compare against your original (I figure you\'d be comfortable since you already posted a shot previously)? Thanks for the thorough reporting thus far, look forward to keeping up with your progress.

Oh I thought you had Macrolane. Yeah, Juvederm Ultra XC is very popular. I had that done a few years ago. It gets really hard in the first few days and then smooths out - in the face. I don\'t really know why it does this, but the doctor always says it\'s normal. It has something to do with water (how\'s that for an explanation). I have a pic somewhere of me in the car on the way home and you could see the lumps and needle pricks. I looked like a freak. But, three days later it was pretty normal. This was under the eyes and maybe a little in the upper cheek area and nasolabial fold area (nothing is visible here if done right). I haven\'t done anything in 1.5 years so it\'s hard to remember. It never looked quite right - especially on a male face. Under the eyes was about all that was good - and the temples. The needle goes very deep - I believe under the muscle? I\'m not a filler guru really, but they always say things like \"I\'m going on bone here\" - and then sometimes you hear cracking noises (in the temples, you do when the needle is pushing in the filler - it\'s kinda freaky - with your body being filled up with this stuff).

What did the docs say? You can massage it - I mean, I wasn\'t trying to discourage you from that. I just remember being so sore with the needle sticks and also the face is pretty sensitive (under the eyes is more sensitive than the penis shaft, I think) - that I couldn\'t massage for more than a minute or two.

If they have done many guys with the same process, they must know what is supposed to happen. I am hoping...and what I think should happen... is that it will draw in water and then self-dilute, while also growing slightly in volume (this is what it does in the face). As it pulls in water and dilutes itself from being pure HA, the hard Balls that it formed on day 0-5 will slowly soften. The only big question is about Flaccid-to-Erect changes... because the face doens\'t really have this problem. Sure, you smile and frown and the filler comes along for the ride - but it\'s nothing like getting a boner. It\'s going to be more lumpy Erect just because it\'s a lot less forgiving when the skin is so tight.

If you are unhappy (a 3-4 weeks from now - I\'d say would be long enough to see your result for certain) there is an enzyme to dissolve it. It\'s a huge bonus over PMMA thought that you can go in the bigger lumps and break them up with the enzyme...and still retain Girth where it is even. so, even if you don\'t like what you are feeling Erect, you know that it is certainly going to change (within a few weeks ) and also then what\'s left & irregular - you can likely dissolve it or reduce it. They could even add juvederm around it...in theory - though that\'s much easier to do in the face than the penis.

thanks for the extra info @restoration - that is exactly how it seems to be going with the juvederm in my penis. was kind of more noticeable early on and now, day 3, its already feeling more even and spread out.
when it comes to \'massaging\' the instructions were - wait 3 days then you can have a go at massaging any lumps or uneven parts.
well, my approach to massaging my penis is to have a good wank. which i have done twice now
it feels ok, today better than yesterday and better than right after. i think that has helped quite a lot actually. also i guess i am more used to the new \'look and feel\'. lol
it actually does look somewhat larger today than yesterday and since the needle marks have almost completely gone and day 3 was when the doctor said i could start messing with it again, i though it was time to take some more pics and measurements.

@skeptical one - as requested - i was just waiting for it to settle down a bit, marks to heal, and in case there was any swelling from the injections i didnt want to record measurements that might mislead me or others before day 3. so here we are... *drumroll*




you can see there are still some reddish dots where the needle went in but its healing up nicely and i would say a 0.7 Inch Girth increase. we can probably say +/_ 0.1 of an Inch due to measuring inaccuracies such as the tape being positioned slightly differently or tighter/looser or whatever - i really did try to do it in exactly the same way. something of a bulge on the right side but i quite like it, i think i sort of had that before but not as pronounced. not to get too into obsessive detail but i also like how its fatter in the middle than the base. he only put a little bit in at the base and none near the top (Foreskin). i guess the doc knew where to focus for maximum visual effect. lol.

i am posting the \'before\' pic that i took the day before the op for sake of accurate comparison - i even took it in exactly the same location, body position, with same tape measure around the same part of my penis because i really wanted it as similar as possible)
you can clearly see that it was +/- 4.8inch Flaccid Girth round the middle in the pic below, if you look for where the measure passes the \'1 FT\' mark on the way back round.




at this juncture i am feeling more satisfied with the result than i was right after. i KNEW i should never have posted that same night but hey, i got all my thoughts at the time down so anyone else who is thinking of it has the \'warts and all\' version. this stuff can mess a little with your head but after i slept on it, i felt a whole lot better about everything.

also, i have provided detailed feedback to the agent and have been informed that they are planning to move premises to a better clinic nearby, where apparently a patient wont be walking up and down stairs to put lidocaine cream on their Cock in a toilet - i had a huge issue with the \'logistics\' around the procedure, it just didnt go smoothly and they really really need to fix that because i could easily have just walked out and changed my mind as it felt somewhat amateurish. however the doctor really knew what he was doing when he got down to it and that is the most important thing ! just the overall experience could have been a lot better.

btw - i am kind of thinking of having a little bit more stuck in near the base but will give it a few weeks before i decide for sure.

It looks great! - I think I am going to go for a consult this week if I can get in here in NYC for something similar - at least see what he says.

I agree, I think it looks really good.

thanks @hunkydory ! that is the first positive feedback i have had (well, i havent showed it till now) and makes a difference as i am still feeling somewhat equivocal about the whole thing - cost is very high for a modest result IMO. however the result itself i am fairly pleased with now. i would class it as - the same effect as 24 hours after a pumping session but it stays like that.

if nothing else i have saved myself a lot of time spent pumping. maybe i need to find another hobby, something more cerebral this time. lol.

i am still hoping that the overall \'spreading\' and softening up continues - for sure the first couple of days i was thinking \'wtf have i done there was absolutely nothing wrong with it before, nothing at all, and now i have this oddly lumpy appendage\'.

volume wise, the doc here would not do more than 8ml in one session. i thought that was a tiny amount, he told me most get 6 or 4 though. i now understand the approach - the cost of the procedure (here anyway) is entirely the cost of the filler (they must make their money on the markup from wholesale to retail - which is easily 50%, i checked online) so repeat visits to add more filler are just your time, you arent paying for \'consultation\' or \'physician\' time.
but i see how this approach is sensible as it allows you to adjust gradually, and also it has changed a bit even over the past 3 days, its kind of a bit larger and less lumpy.

but that filler is damn expensive per ml and i still think that to have the effect i am aiming for (and perhaps i am out of my tiny mind) which is \'like i have pumped for an hour or two\' i would need more than 30ml ! thats why i was looking for a doctor that would use macrolane but none in uk do anymore, for PE anyway.

i said it before, if big pharma somewhere manages to create a bulk filler that is smooth but flexible, holds its shape and but stays where it is placed, long lasting but still reabsorbable/biodegradable on a longer timeframe, they will make billions. that is the holy grail. i think they thought that silicone was it until people started dying (albeit from injecting freakish amounts).

i am very interested in Ellanse but have not yet found anyone here using it. i will question the doc about that more \'assertively\' if i go for another session. hopefully he will have worked on his bedside manner a bit, or maybe it was my endless questions last time about things that were not to do with my procedure that pissed him off a bit.

I will 3rd that, I think it looks brilliant... I would be very happy with that result. Yes it would be nicer to have more gain, but that will always be the case.......

thanks @hoddle ! i didnt see your post earlier for some reason. possibly because i was writing that long one.
i am feeling quite good about the result now. but i dunno cost v result wise. jury is still out on that.

thanks @007 - i think from what you said in your thread and what your aims are, that you would be happy with the gain. but dont rush into it by any means. i am still waiting to see how this looks in a week and in a month, then i will know for sure.

i think my expectations have been a bit skewed by pumping, after which i was getting 7 Inch Girth, longer than normal too, and you know, for free (aside from buying the kit). so if i am completely honest with myself, my aim was to have that pumped size but all the time. and i now understand, well that just was not realistic.

Looks great. With those results, I am really surpsied you\'re the only one (to my memory) who has done HA here!

i think quite a few probably have, there was that guy @bobusa and some guy in NYC recently, altho both were suspected of being shills and i dunno, they never posted any pics so it did seem dodgy to me.

i think the price v duration is a big disincentive for many too. for sure if u do a straight \'effect for cost\' calculation then the HA i had doesnt stack up against PMMA or FFT. not till the cost of filler goes down. but the ease of procedure and rarity of complications were key considerations for me personally, more so than cost.
i have been researching, there are so many filler on the market, found one called \'perfectha\' that looks about 30% cheaper than juvederm but same lifespan. very popular in france apparently.