TOPIC: Debating on waiting until the "low gains issue" is sorted out with different batches of PMMA

i think if they are constantly getting the same concerns about price and results, they may actually do something about it. If it wasn\'t for this website I don\'t they they would be getting the amount of traffic they\'ve been gutting these past 4 years. It\'s funny we complain about the prices, but If you look at it; its our fault that the prices went up because of the demand.. I hope that changes.

He should maybe visit the site to see the outcomes of his current clients.

people don\'t waste your money on PMMA if the results arent permanent or u are not satisfied with the results. be smart and wait there will be something better. as matter of fact I already received confirmation on it. I will relay the email I received from dr atala.


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as you can see people in 5 years there will be hope for those with small penis or people that had an accident and lost their penis. I am hopeful for these new procedure in the future. I have already seen it on the news they announced that in 5 years they will try this on humans.

DC, what is that docots website? What did you ask him when you emailed him? cheers man

Does LinneaSafe provide better results than mettaKrill? When did they (dr C) switch to metaKrill?



Also, I think it would be better to get multiple sessions with less injected at a time, because that way your body is able to form collagen around the injected material more efficiently than if you got a larger volume. kinda like if you eat a really big meal, your body doesn\'t properly digest it all, but if you have several smaller meals, your body is able to digest it all efficiently becusae it is less volume at a time (don\'t know if that is a good analogy for penile enlargement tho lol). then when the product has been set and the collagen has been formed, you can get the next round done, and so on.

Maybe this could be me, but I also feel like the community has had more cosmetic and inflammatory responses the last 3-4 months than we did previously. I find that concerning. Very concerning. The risk of having nodules, FBGR, circ gaps etc for an extra .25 gain just don\'t seem worth it to me.

The Dr that did my injections did not use cortisone. He said a steroid not only inhibits post operative swelling, but also is detrimental to building new collagen and maintaining long term size. Maybe Dr C\'s patients are being effected by the pre-op shot he gives them or other anti-inflammatories taken post op. Perhaps they are not compatible with the latest version of PMMA. Does Dr N use the same protocol ? She seems to get better results at this point.

Also the patients who received the 10 and 20 percent New Plastic seemed to have very few if any nodules, and bigger gains. Too bad it is no long available. So few received the linea safe, you can not draw any conclusions as to whether it is re-branded new plastic, or a reformulation.

Hi All,

i\'m 5 weeks post op with Dr N and the size is very up and down. Started at 3.5\" with post op gains to 4.5\", then after a week it went down to 4\", then upwards to 4.25\" in week 3, back to 4.5\" week 4 and I measured today and I\'m back down to 4\". Not sure if that\'s because I work 12-14 hours a day this week so it might be related to stress. Aesthetics is perfect (after 18 ml), no nodules, lumps or anything else, just it feels like if it did not reach the glans when Erect so not great for sex as I have written in my report. I will continue with reporting on gains/losses going forward.

To your last question, Dr N uses an antiflammitory cream pre-op and then just on the entry post-op which you wash off the second day. No pills or other internal antibiotics.

When I cancelled my appointment I made sure to let them know why I was doing it. Here is what I sent them:

\"Hello Diana,Unfortunately I\'m going to have to cancel my appointment and forfeit my deposit money I have been reading a lot of negative feedback from customers for the past few months about not getting satisfactory gains from the procedure. This has apparently only been going on in the last few months and no one knows why as of yet. I was hoping that the trend would turn around before now, but it hasn\'t :/ I have read that Dr C was looking into the matter but it hasn\'t been resolved.I am willing to give you the deposit money for your trouble, and when this matter subsides I will be in contact with you again to move forward with the procedure. I hope you understand.Thank you for all your help.\"

Sylvester wrote: The Dr that did my injections did not use cortisone. He said a steroid not only inhibits post operative swelling, but also is detrimental to building new collagen and maintaining long term size. Maybe Dr C\'s patients are being effected by the pre-op shot he gives them or other anti-inflammatories taken post op.

This isn\'t the issue. He\'s been doing this as a part of his protocol for as long as I can remember, including many men who have reported good gains.

so what do u think the issue is then?

dcpimpin12 wrote: so what do u think the issue is then?

There might not be an issue. At the end of the day we are still talking about a very small sample size here.

I\'m fairly certain the amount of PMMA being injected is having a negative effect in terms of aesthetics and the diminishing returns are leading to disappointment. But in terms of the actual PMMA not producing the same gains as it used to, we don\'t have enough data to say anything conclusively. Mixed in with recent disappointing gains, there are still reports of decent gains. I wouldn\'t be surprised if, as much as anything, increased expectation is to blame here.

hoddle10 wrote:

dcpimpin12 wrote: so what do u think the issue is then?

There might not be an issue. At the end of the day we are still talking about a very small sample size here.

I\'m fairly certain the amount of PMMA being injected is having a negative effect in terms of aesthetics and the diminishing returns are leading to disappointment. But in terms of the actual PMMA not producing the same gains as it used to, we don\'t have enough data to say anything conclusively. Mixed in with recent disappointing gains, there are still reports of decent gains. I wouldn\'t be surprised if, as much as anything, increased expectation is to blame here.

Sample size has a lot to do with the problem here, no doubt.

My Rounds 1 & 3 were excellent, but my Round 2 was negligible. Had I reported my Round 2 gains in disappointment around the same time 3 or 4 other guys coincidentally had less-than-desirable gains, it could have been a horrible representation of data.

Heck, I\'d go as far as saying that nothing can be conclusive in this regard without a larger sample size. What sample size we do have is 100+ patients largely reporting reasonable gains for at least one given round. Hopefully this \"incentive-izes\" members who have recently undergone the procedure to chime in, if even only just on this topic.

Your best bet would be to contact their office and straight up ask what trends they\'ve been seeing (their sample size presumably larger than ours). Granted, there will be bias, but it will be a lot clearer than the picture we have painted here. Actually, if anyone does speak with Wade/their Office in the near future, please relay what you learn to this thread.

(Sorry - very long post.)

Yeah, I wish more people would report - because we only have a handful here - and who knows if we\'re just seeing unlucky guys. I\'ve spent a lot of money for 2 rounds + travel...and some areas didn\'t even gain more than 0.25 total (base and neck are about 0.25 up) - now that I am 3+ months post R2. The middle gained the most (0.5+) - but it\'s honestly looking like R2 didn\'t even happen - and I got 17 ccs of 30% (15cc and 2 were meticulously added in the next day to fix a resistant area - so they are doing a good job - I honestly think it\'s the product). Wade & Dr. C said they think it\'s because I had surgery and other procedures done in the area... and they can\'t guarantee any gains... but other people have had prior elist implants, fat, Dr. Lorias \"mix\" - and they have gained way more than me. Who knows - they might be right partially bc we know R1 is the \"best\" round often times, but if I already had scar tissue there from being degloved, then my R1 wasn\'t like a typical guy\'s R1.

Radiesse is a filler that is particulate, like PMMA - and I have solid \"gains\" from even 1.5 ccs of that in the face (the Radiesse itself dissipates over time, and the calcium particles are supposed to trigger collagen - and they did in areas I got it injected by Dr. C and also my own Dermatologist in the temple area). At 3+ months, the PMMA has behaved more like Restylane than Radiesse - meaning, it\'s almost gone. The Radiesse hasn\'t gone anywhere. It shouldn\'t be happening considering it\'s a permanent implant. I can still feel the PMMA - not in a bad way - just that I know it\'s like this dense section around my shaft... created in the Flaccid state, so it is there - but though I might be up ~0.5\" Flaccid - that gets stretched out and thin when I get Erect...to 0.2-0.6\"

I was thinking to go back for a maxed out 30% round - but financially I can\'t right now & I already spent over 6k in travel costs + fees if I don\'t feel confident it\'ll lead to 0.5\" long term. It used to lead to 0.5-1\" for guys here, it seems... my 17cc 30% round was not a \"max\" round cuz I didn\'t want lumps... so maybe that\'s part of the problem. I went very conservative (first round was 27 cc 10%)...but that was probably a stupid idea because there\'s hardly anything left. Wade thought I was going to have great gains & aesthetics bc of how it was looking at day 2 & 3 (I stayed longer so they could keep an eye on it and wade massaged out any lumps). Sizemic - who is way bigger than me in length & Girth only got a few more ccs of 30% and gained 0.25\" - so I still wonder if it\'s the product or the person\'s response. They didn\'t think it was the product when I emailed them.

Honestly, the only way to know is to have an independent lab test the sample... and it\'s not easy because there are 5 ingredients in the product... and they have to \"clean off\" the other 3 ingredients to do what we want done (measure particle size, measure percentage PMMA in solution, determine sphericity of the particles...etc...) so the price would be very high. (The other ingredients are Magnesium Titriplex (Magnesium ethylenedinitrilotetraacetic acid disodium salt dihydrate), Calcium gluconate, and Lactated Ringer\'s solution - so obviously you need an experienced chemist here) And, I don\'t know if Dr. C would send a sample to an independent lab for testing...even if (let\'s say) we all pitched in to have it tested. I don\'t have a price, yet, but I\'ve made some inquiries with people I know who could do this.

One other weird thing, at least for me - is that it exaggerated my deglove scar & the area right above it. The PMMA went in the small gap between the deglove scar and the glans & grew more there than below - so it just looks weird. So, that tiny little area was never touched / degloved - and that grew way more than the area that WAS degloved...so...they might be right about this.

It\'s just depressing bc I had my Peyronie\'s surgery a year ago now (unreal how time flies) because I found this board... I saw Miracle\'s story & it was the only thing that finally pulled me out of the psychological hell hole I was in...to make me book the surgery & then wait 5 months post & get PMMA to actually get back to my old Dick (I lost Girth with Peyronies - it\'s all in my log). Anyway... my curve is back to 15 degrees (a normal post op issue...and down from 50+ degrees...but still... I liked it much better when it was straight) - and my Girth hasn\'t really done what I\'d hoped despite 2 rounds of PMMA. Not to mention, I lost length due to Peyronies & the surgery... but at 6.5 BPEL, I\'m not overly concerned with that.

I had mine done in Prague, first procedure 12ccs gained 0.25 , second procedure 15 ccs gained 0, yes that\'s right 0. As everyone said it is expensive , there is the travel involved basically a lots of things , I was happy to gain at least another 0.25 for my second procedure but come on that\'s just ridiculous !!! I have booked already for the end of November , I am going to ask the Dr for at least some ccs metacrill for free because I really don\'t understand why I didn\'t gain nothing, if she is not willing to cooperate I will cancel my appointment. To me there is something wrong with the metacrill that has been used.