TOPIC: Say what!! EQStudent + Dr. C == 20cc in the PP

miracle7.5x6 wrote: In fact, I\'ve had one girl state that she wanted to just be a \"friend with benefits\".

I\'ve been in that situation with 10s of women for the past 20+ years despite having an average size penis.

It is cool with me that you and Mustang2020 buy into the \"bigger is better\" thought process. If it makes you happy, go for it. I wish you continued good results and good health!

I have a very different opinion. I have slept with 20+ women since my 0.75\" enlargement. 10 women I can directly compare having had them pre and post enlargement. My conclusion based on my \"research\"; from the women\'s perspective bigger is better is bullshit. A conclusion that is supported by posts and PM from some of the more grounded (married) members on this forum who have had enlargements. I have not had a single woman tell me the sex was better because I was bigger!

There has been several members on this site that have lost serious relationships and marriages after enlargements due to pain and discomfort experienced by so!

Every time I come to this forum I read about another unfortunate member (with an average sized or above penis) who underwent an enlargement procedure with devastating consequences. I suspect some of those members took that risk based on improving sex with their partners. Others want to just be bigger that the next guy but that is a different topic.

So yea, having gone through the process and personal experiences myself I just don\'t take that bigger is better talk seriously. I would encourage lurkers reading this to also check out comments by Sizemic and Justabitmore, who have also had enlargements and tend to tell it like it is.

Posted by EQStudent

I would encourage lurkers reading this to also check out comments by Sizemic and Justabitmore, who have also had enlargements and tend to tell it like it is.

I\'m very close to Justabitmore and know Sizemic well. To my knowledge, Justabitmore\'s wife loves the size increase and Sizemic\'s stories speak for themselves. I also hope that you\'re not suggesting that I do not \"tell it like it is\" as it comes across as accusatory/defamation of character. I imagine that you would classify me as being more \"grounded\" as I\'ve been married for 10 years. My wife loves the size increase. I have no reason to lie whatsoever and I do not openly advocate that anyone undergo Phalloplasty.

I am also confused that someone who touts penile Girth as being insignificant would undergo PMMA augmentation well knowing that long term risks associated with the procedure are unknown. Surely you\'ve done your homework.

There has been several members on this site that have lost serious relationships and marriages after enlargements due to pain and discomfort experienced by so!

Would you mind listing said members?

Even your signature portrays the adage \'Bigger is Better\'.

6.25\" EL x 4.75\" MEG, 5.0\" BEG Now Bigger!!

Respectfully,

M7.5x6

I think to an extent we all look for reasons to support what we want to believe. Some guys will feel better about themselves by believing bigger is better and others will benefit from finding evidence to the contrary.

However, I do think many of us our fascinated to hear an explanation in what seems to be a contradiction on behalf of EQstudent. Even before your procedure you were posting anecdotal evidence that suggested an average sized Girth was preferable. On a couple of occasions you also made it clear that your had decided that PMMA was not a sufficiently safe option. So why did you have a procedure you\'d previously deemed not worth the risk, especially when the research you\'d posted about size suggested you didn\'t need it? With hindsight do you regret having it done, given your post procedure sexual experiences?

hoddle10 wrote: However, I do think many of us our fascinated to hear an explanation in what seems to be a contradiction on behalf of EQstudent. Even before your procedure you were posting anecdotal evidence that suggested an average sized girth was preferable. On a couple of occasions you also made it clear that your had decided that PMMA was not a sufficiently safe option. So why did you have a procedure you\'d previously deemed not worth the risk, especially when the research you\'d posted about size suggested you didn\'t need it? With hindsight do you regret having it done, given your post procedure sexual experiences?

Here is what I wrote over a year ago:

The thing I am struggling with is I never considered PE or thought I was “small” until I got on the PE sites (PEGym, Thunders, and this one). Most members are talking about 6” or 7” inch girths and the magic 8” x 6”. Now I find myself seriously considering first Alloderm and now ppma.


phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/sho...9686365&postcount=29

As 1 member who I correspond with outside of the forum told me recently he has stopped posting here on a regular basis and limits himself to checking in every 3 months or more because if you spend a lot of time here your perceptions about the real world becomes very warped.

As far as regrets, take me as a cautionary tale. Sad to say, you hear from so many posters here that women think \"bigger is better\" that you start to get that nagging doubt in the back of your head that maybe they are right.

Now that I have had the enlargement I can honestly say with 100% certainty (instead of the prior 90%) that it is a non-issue for most women. For the small % of dysfunctional size queens, who cares! My regret is that the procedure was not necessary but I will quote another member who also does not post anymore. Now that I have the procedure, size is just one thing that I don\'t worry about anymore.

miracle7.5x6 wrote: I also hope that you\'re not suggesting that I do not \"tell it like it is\" as it comes across as accusatory/defamation of character.

I never suggested any such thing. 7x7 you believe a bigger penis (above average Girth) is better for women and I don\'t. There is no evidence that either of us could provide that would change the other\'s mind.

I repped Sizemic because even though he has been maligned by some I will always respect him because he since ever since his first session presented the good, bad, and issues of getting bigger.

As for members who have lost relationships after getting bigger, ghostfmj is the last public one I can recall.

Most men that navigate to this site are in search of penis enlargement. Some are seeking help for a botched procedure or to see what Phalloplasty has done for others and what methods are available. An average Girth is adequate for most women, I\'ve never denied this. That said, it is Girth that gives women the most pleasure and not length providing it is average. I agree it can prove difficult and one can become self obsessed with size if one allows himself. Sizemic is very young and has been facing a sex addiction/porn addiction and I pray he overcomes it. It\'s also ironic that you\'ve chosen to \"rep\" a man that has openly confessed of using women for sex, bragged about it, posted recorded audio of women\'s responses to his size, posted candid pictures of it without consent of the partner and offered tips to other men on how to score. The reason that I respect Sizemic is he has admitted that this was wrong. He\'s coming of age and learning from past mistakes. He\'s a good guy that allowed his demons to take control. I hope that he finds true love and a woman that respects him for who he is on the inside.

I\'ve never once provided false information on this site. Never. We can agree to disagree on size and I\'m fine with that. The vast majority of patients here seem to agree with me that to an extent, size does matter. I\'m sorry you regret having the procedure. Good sex does not depend on a long or thick penis, however, it can be an added bonus to many women and men as it increases friction thus pleasure for both. I\'ve never encountered a woman that couldn\'t handle a 5\" - 5.75\" penis circumference while being fully aroused. That doesn\'t mean that they don\'t exist but they are in the extreme minority. Perhaps a young teenage girl that\'s a virgin or a woman that is anatomically tight by genetic predisposition but even still, they would be in the minority.

As for ghostfmj, if you recall he and his partner argued constantly. If one isn\'t happy in their relationship, how on earth do you expect them to have mutually gratifying intercourse? How can you expect her to be turned on and wet if in the back of her mind there are relationship issues? Apparently he is not too upset about it. In fact, he is yet to respond to your question. I never like to see relationships fail but sex is typically not the deal breaker. Also, do take note that ghostfmj is still attempting enlargement by stretching. Also note that his gains were NOT typical. Most men can expect 1/4\" - 1/2\" in one session.

Regards,

M7.5x6

Posted by EQStudent

As 1 member who I correspond with outside of the forum told me recently he has stopped posting here on a regular basis and limits himself to checking in every 3 months or more because if you spend a lot of time here your perceptions about the real world becomes very warped.

I\'m not the gambling type but this sounds like Justabitmore to me. He and I are good friends. In fact, he was my first good friend on PhalloBoards.

And here\'s a recent post of Sizemic\'s. Posted 12/03/12 at 09:55 PM

Its weird... pretty much any girl I have sex with now is blown away by the size. 99.9% of the time I can be confident that I will be the biggest they have had or ever will have. I KNOW that what I have is giant... but why do I want more? Sure the porn is one thing... especially with my big Dick fetish I really don\'t watch porn with dudes smaller than me.

If penis size bothers a man to the point where it effects his entire life, who are you to say they cannot or should not do anything about it?

miracle7.5x6 wrote: If penis size bothers a man to the point where it effects his entire life, who are you to say they cannot or should not do anything about it?

You are confusing me with someone else. I have never made any statements about if anyone else should or should not have an enlargement. That is a personal decision that I don\'t even give advice on publically or privately.

I am in my PR thread giving my personal experiences with women post enlargement. You seem to disagree with my conclusions. Beyond that I am not sure what point you are trying to make.

You are really coming off like you have an agenda that I should be following. Women that can\'t handle a 5.75\" Girth are in the extreme minority? Where did you get that bit of data? Since you want to quote Sizemic, here is one from the old board

2) I have had sex with 3 different women now since my opperation and so far 2 have bled and 1 I could only fit 1/3 of my penis inside her (I should note their ages are 18, 19, and 23)... I know 5.5 Girth isn\'t over the top... but this worries me that 6.5+ will be too much to even have sex! Even though they bled... they REALLY enjoyed it so perhaps they are just used to smaller?...

Like I said, Sizemic has always told it like it is!

I\'m done with your PR thread. We have 1,767 members, the majority of which obviously feel differently than you do. That is my point. I have no agenda. Quit stating that size doesn\'t matter when it obviously does to many, many men and women. I\'m happy that it never mattered to you; though you still sought out Phalloplasty.

Women that can\'t handle a 5.75\" Girth are in the extreme minority? Where did you get that bit of data?

It came from some of the leading urologists and andrologists in the world. The vagina was designed to adapt to the size of the penis in almost every case. 5.5\" - 5.75\" is not considered huge by any means; just above average.

BTW, a woman can bleed from a number of reasons (rough sex, not relaxed enough, not lubricated enough, etc); not necessarily due to a large Girth. Hell, if I were a female and saw a near 8\" x 5.5\" dong for the first time I\'d be apprehensive as well. Also, according to your post above, despite the fact the girls bled, they still \"REALLY enjoyed it so perhaps they are just used to smaller?...\" Obviously at his current size of over 6\"MSEG, Sizemic is still quite capable of intercourse with young non childbearing women. I\'m done as you seem to be argumentative and suggestive that I don\'t \"tell it like it is\". Your retaliatory remarks shows that you are becoming defensive of your position that size doesn\'t matter. Might want to try peddling that on another forum. This is PhalloBoards, a site dedicated to the enlargement of the male reproductive organ.

miracle7.5x6 wrote: I\'m done with your PR thread. We have 1,767 members, the majority of which obviously feel differently than you do. That is my point. I have no agenda.

That is your agenda. The fact that I fell different from you and in your words the majority of members seems to disturb you. I don\'t care what you think 1,767 members feel. How many of them felt that it made sense to have Elist put essentially a plastic dildo in their dicks. How many are now calling him a butcher?

You have come into my PR thread just because I don\'t buy into your \"bigger is better\" philosophy which just happens to fly in the face of every major survey, study, and medical research done over the last 30 years. You are the one trying to somehow convince me that my experiences with women post enlargement is somehow not correct.

I\'m not in your thread telling you that no human woman should require a 7\" Girth. I have supported you on your journey even though it differs from mine. Maybe you should give me the same courtesy.

Hey guys, I tend to avoid the old back and forth on boards but I thought I would chime in on some stuff...

As for bigger is better?

Based on my experiences I definitely found a noticeable increase in response from girls after my first and second round (where I got to 5.5\" 5.75\" thick). Before I was just slightly below average Girth at 4.5\" but I still had great sex and never once heard a complaint about my Girth. So once I surpassed the average range after my first 2 rounds it very much seemed like my bigger Girth was better for girls. I remember that post which was quoted from the old boards and indeed the first 3 girls, 2 bled and 1 couldn\'t even fit it all. They were young and pretty inexperienced though, like miracle pointed out as could be why a girl wouldn\'t handle that size as its not far enough past average that it should pose a problem.

But I do believe that someone who is average can get by perfectly fine and be a crazy awesome dude in bed. There is a reason why \"average\" exists... our penises fall in the range they do because generally average is ideal for optimal lovemaking and reproduction. Sure many outliers on both ends exist but I believe a lot of people on this board (including myself) have lost touch with what size is truly ideal for sex.

Its weird how on Thundersplace you will always read how 6\" is pretty much their ideal goal (most members cite that Girth as their final goal). Why does it seem like here the ideal Girth is shifting closer and closer to 7\"? I think its because with PMMA Girth is just so damn easy to get. In manual PE it might take 5 years to even gain 0.5\" Girth so someone who starts at 5\" Girth reaching 5.5\" seems GIANT and 6\" seems almost godly or unattainable... 7\" literally is impossible with manual PE unless you start well over 6\" Girth...

PMMA is to PE what steroids is to body building. What I mean is... give most men an opportunity to be bigger and bigger and bigger than his fellow competition and he will take it... these things blur the boundaries of what is functional. We all have sought out PE much like men have sought out the weight room.... and much like the weight room some of us will push the boundaries of what is socially pleasing. Take one look at Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman ... then look at some of the members here with PMMA myself included if you wish. My Dick is on steroids, and I did it for me... Now at the same time try to tell Ronnie Coleman that he is a freak, too big and fake and he will tell you to f*ck off. That a lot of guys would love to be his size and have the muscle mass he has, and a lot of girls like it to. If that\'s what he wants its what he wants.

Since round 2 I have noticed NO INCREASE in reaction or perceived pleasure from girls. So since going from 5.75\" Girth to 6.25\" Girth the reaction I get is pretty much the same. If anything with the increased Girth has caused more broken condoms, more soreness and more \"ouch not so deep\" type comments. Pretty much every new girl I sleep with tells me that they are sore the next day and some even refuse to have morning sex the morning after we have hooked up. Mind you none of these girls have had kids and 80% of the time I only sleep with a girl once or twice before I move on so they don\'t really get used to the size. Like Miracle said... the girls I have slept with normally have fewer than 10 partners and are a bit apprehensive.

To me it is more of a turn on to be bigger and filling her up... its a visual thing looking down and having be like porn. Like Miracle said, I am struggling with an addiction to sex and porn so a lot of my enlargement has been fuelled by that rather than doing it to be better in the sack.

So why did I push past 5.5\" - 5.75\" Girth? And why do people on the board continually get bigger and bigger with more and more rounds? (myself included as I would gladly get another round if I had the cash).

I get it if you have a wife and she responds positively to more size, go for it if its what makes your relationship better... but I can only speak for myself.

For me I keep getting more work done and more rounds because its the size that turns me on. I want to be a giant, I want to be the biggest they ever will have or experience... but honestly any more size will likely hinder my sex life (but at the same time make it more pleasing to me) than improve things with the ladies.

miracle7.5x6 wrote: ... Sizemic is very young and has been facing a sex addiction/porn addiction and I pray he overcomes it. It\'s also ironic that you\'ve chosen to \"rep\" a man that has openly confessed of using women for sex, bragged about it, posted recorded audio of women\'s responses to his size, posted candid pictures of it without consent of the partner and offered tips to other men on how to score. The reason that I respect Sizemic is he has admitted that this was wrong. He\'s coming of age and learning from past mistakes. He\'s a good guy that allowed his demons to take control. I hope that he finds true love and a woman that respects him for who he is on the inside.

Thanks dude, I agree that the stuff I was doing before was completely wrong and I am glad that I have cut it out of my life... and I definitely did allow the demons to take control and still admittedly struggle with it.

Whoever it was that you were talking about EQ that only comes once and a while every few months... more and more I am thinking I need to do that. Even though I have severely cut down on the porn (it still creeps back in from time to time )... being here only fuels my want for more... Seeing BigJohn\'s and Olaf\'s pics s me... it drives my want for more.

Hopefully this post makes somewhat of sense... feel free to argue anything you guys want from it, but don\'t expect me to argue in return... Like I said I\'m not really the debate type. I am definitely not on anyone\'s side but my own on this stuff.

Sex has improved, but will it continue to improve with more size? For me... with my type of partners... no. Likely not.

Sizemic,

My jumps for joy after reading your post. You could not have been more clear. You have my respect and admiration sir. You\'ve come a long way. You\'re a smart guy and I\'m sure you\'ll make a great husband/father one day. I do not wish to take up any more space on EQ\'s personal thread. I meant him no disrespect and have no agenda. I was simply implying that to many men (and yes women too) size does matter to a degree. I don\'t think you need any more rounds partner... You\'re HUGE! Seeing other guys push past the 6.5\"MSEG point can cause those of us that have the same mindset (me included) to want to pursue more size. I\'m going for a touch up only. I wish you continued success in your efforts to combat your addiction.

EQ,

I apologize if my posts offend you. I told it like it is. No hard feeling or disrespect.

@Sizemic

As I said earlier, you tell it like it is, the good, bad, and ugly. More important you have been very honest that you desire to get bigger is just to be bigger, unlike a lot of guys on this site who hide behind obvious excuses. Much respect for your honesty!

Here is a question for you. You said :

Based on my experiences I definitely found a noticeable increase in response from girls after my first and second round (where I got to 5.5\" 5.75\" thick). Before I was just slightly below average Girth at 4.5\" but I still had great sex and never once heard a complaint about my Girth. So once I surpassed the average range after my first 2 rounds it very much seemed like my bigger Girth was better for girls.

In my case 3 or 4 women that I have had pre and post procedure also did provide a more noticeable response (moaning, groaning, panting, grunting). I took that to mean that they liked the sex better than in the past. I found out after discussing it with them that they did not think the sex was better. The bigger size required more work and was just more uncomfortable.

Have you slept with any before/after and did they tell you the sex was better with the new size or are you concluding just by your perception of their reaction?

Hi eqstudent, I posted this in another thread you commented on but, I thought since the question is to you I\'d poste here.

Thanks for your thorough analysis in your postings. I\'m strongly leaning away from Bella & toward PMMA now.

I know you\'ve had a change of thought about PE since but, I wanted to know. Being in the Medical Analysis and Informatics business, when you started your PE journey what were the deciding factors for your choosing to go with PMMA?