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Torn fascia from jelquing? 12 years 1 month ago #1272024840

Main Symptoms:

-retracted, hard flaccid penis. resists stretching and remains seized up unless exposed to heat for a generous amount of time
-flaccid penis feels lighter, almost weightless at times
-tightened scrotum
-reduced erection quality. harder to get erections and erections subside quickly without stimulation.
-tight, constricting feeling when erect
-slight reduction in erect length. often times slight reduction of girth.
-indentation on one side of penis, usually the left side. more pronounced when transitioning between flaccid and erect (getting a semi hard-on)
-reduced morning erections and spontaneous erections. morning erections are poor quality and can be very infrequent or never
-cold glans and scrotum
* all symptoms seem worse when in the standing position. everything seems to loosen up a bit and erections are better when sitting

Other Common Symptoms:

-reduced shaft sensitivity (penile numbness)
-penis head won\'t fill up during erections
-weird reaction of penis when flexing PC muscle (jerking motion rather than filling the penis with blood)
-tightness in perineum
-reduced sex drive
-difficulty urinating/ increased urge to urinate
-different feel to the skin in the genital area, softer and thinner
-reduced testicle size, joint pains, fatigue

Now let\'s talk about the causes of this condition. At least a few of these should sound familiar to you by now:

-stretching the flaccid penis causing a popping sensation at the base of the penis on one side, just inside the groin area (most common). This causes a frightening retraction of the penis into a small, hard and shriveled state
-injurey during sex or jelqing, can include the same popping feeling as above
-vigorous, prolonged masterbation session.
-injury to the perineum area or base of the penis

Right from the outset of my research, I have found that no one has had legitimate success with visiting a urologist. Ultrasound testing shows nothing out of the ordinary, and people are told that there is nothing wrong with them (or worse, it\'s in your head). I have not been to a doctor about this as I had no reason to suggest I would have any more success than the next guy (the symptoms of the condition are remarkably consistent among everyone afflicted)

How I made a mild improvement:

The overall tightness in the genital-perineum region seemed directly related to the severity of the symptoms. I found that my perineal muscles, such as the PC were chronically tense as if my body was bracing for the next trauma to the area. I focused on relaxing my pelvic floor for a night. It is tricky at first but gets easy with practice. Think of it like a reverse kegel, but don\'t put much force into it, just let the area kind of relax. It should feel like the entire region lowers and loosens a bit. This method will allow your penis and scrotum to hang a little lower and will improve erections a little. When sitting down, my erections feel more or less normal because the area is maximally relaxed. Problems continue when standing. This is no cure, but it helps and it did offer insight as to what the structural problem might be.

Nature of the problem:

Most of you are probably experts in male reproductive anatomy by now. I know that I have wasted countless hours trying to find anything that might hint at the cause of the problem. Let\'s consider the instance of injury by stretching. When stretching the flaccid penis, you are elongating several fascia. In order of deep to superficial they are the tunica albuginea, Buck\'s fascia, and Colle\'s fascia (continuous with the dartos tunic and the superficial fascia of the perineum, it is essentially one big sheet). Most people seem to think the problem is with the deeper fascia of the penis, and that there is an injury somewhere along the length of the penis. There isn\'t.

All of my searching has led me to conclude that the injury is to the superficial fascia of the perineum and penis, which are the same thing and can be referred to as Colles\' fasica. The popping feeling many of us felt at the time of injury was this membrane tearing. The defensive retraction of the ruptured fascia is what caused and continuous to cause the constricted flaccid penis. This damaged fascia resists the tendency of the penis to loosen up when flaccid and to grow when erect. The change in appearance of the penis in the days and months following the injury is damage to the fragile tissue between colle\'s fascia and buck\'s fascia, known as areolar tissue.

Many people, including myself, complain of reduced \"force\" of erection, or the decreased resistance of the fully erect penis towards being pushed downwards. I think this is because of some loss of support form the fascia injury. Think of loss of tensile strength of a ripped cloth.

My injury was caused by accidentally swinging a small dumbell into the interface between the left base of my penis, the scrotum, and the perineum while exercising. I am 23 now. I experienced the infamous popping sensation and immediate flaccid regidity. I will periodically get a wierd pain in the left base of my penis, but also have pain in the left side of my perineum when I palpate it. Intriguingly, I have a tender small mass in the rear left of the perineum close to the anus, in the area where colle\'s fascia attaches to the pubic bone.

Why this is a more serious problem than you may think:

Besides the crappy erection quality, there are a lot of other negative things happening because of this simple injury. The fascia of the pernial region are more or less all connected to one another. The abnormal retraction of the damaged colles\' fascia strains the perineal membrane (to which it is connected), resulting in many of the most common symptoms. Here is a list of what important structures pass through the perineal membrane and into the space above colles\' fascia and a description of what happens to them when the membrane is constricted.

Deep arteries of the penis- restricts blood flow to the penis, causing a very small flaccid and cold penis
Dorsal arteries of the penis- same as above
Dorsal nerve of the penis- loss of sensation when in constricted flaccid state
Urethra- difficulty with starting urination

Between the perineal membrane and the superficial fascia of the perineum lies the internal pudendal vessels, which supply blood to the scrotum and the penis.

The danger for us lies in the fact that prolonged contraction of these fascia resticts blood flow to the entire gential region. There are reports of testicular shrinkage and continuous penile shrinkage. When the genital and perieal area are totally relaxed, the problem is minimized, but the majority of the time , for us, the areas are far from relaxed. Symptoms are worst after ejaculation, when there is a natural explusion of blood from the area and retraction of the penis.

The blood flow problem explains why L-arginine is beneficial for reducing symptoms. The extra NO produced from the arginine relaxes the blood vessels in the region and allows more blood to get to the penis while both flaccid and erect. L-arginine has helped me a little, but it obviously won\'t fix any structural problems.

What we can do:

We need to stop looking at this as a penile injury and more as a lower groin injury. We need to seek out doctors that specialize in the area and can order MRIs and ultrasounds to identify fascial tears in the perineum, not just the penis. Use descriptors like chronic pain and tightness in the entire area. My guess is the exact problem is in part of the Colles\' fascia near the bulb of the penis (internal base fo the penis). Regardless, an injury anywhere to this fascia will screw up the penis, scrotum, and perineum because it covers all of these areas. There is no way, I repeat no way, any of us will recover without surgical repair of the tear. I have read about one person who has had it for 12 years. Once one of us has success with this the word can be spread. In the meantime, focus on relaxing the perineal area and take supplements like arginine, this will make it a little better for you. I firmly believe normacy can be acheived through locating the problem and surgically fixing it.

Look at these links for threads from other sites and more information about the anatomical structures I have described in this post:

An unresolved case on medhelp of the exact problem we have: rupture of superficial fascia of the perineum - Urology - MedHelp
And again: Perineal Fascia Tear/Rupture - Urology - MedHelp
Medhelp forum thread on the injury: Penis hard even in flaccid state - Men\'s Health - MedHelp

Anatomy:
home.comcast.net/~wnor/perineum.htm
File:Gray403.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 12 years 1 month ago #1272025879

Does sound like the dreaded \'hard Flaccid\' described on PE forums. Take care, everyone.

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 12 years 1 month ago #1272026590

Yes it is, and there is no cure yet! Urologists are dumbfounded when we tell them bout it.

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 6 months ago #1279501652

So I have a lot of those symptoms and with my penis I hate to say it buts gotten worse since last year I believe, and I have found that contrasting showers help out with blood flow and when I pump it seems my penis has a hard time with blood flow and at times my shaft head and testicles are very cold

So any more insight on this with the collees fascia or buck fascia at first I have thought buried penis, hormones, pelvic floor problems, though this makes a lot of sense to me

I just hope I\'m not fucked for life

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 6 months ago #1279501672

I also have feared if it is a injury to the bulb of the penis though I have had a penile Doppler ultrasound and the URO said that there was no damage so I don\'t know what to think anymore I just want this nightmare to be over

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 1 month ago #1281589892

I think I have the same thing, that is a rupture of some fascia. But probably not at the same place, in my case the fascia (Buck or Dartos or Colles?) ruptured (or detached) from the glans :



From the day of the incident (about 3 years ago...) and now, the aspect of my penis went from the one of a young man to one of an old one.
I completely agree with your explanation about that : \"The change in appearance of the penis in the days and months following the injury is damage to the fragile tissue between colle\'s fascia and buck\'s fascia, known as areolar tissue.\"

Personally I reduced the stress on the tissues by trying to stop my sexual activity. That\'s bad but really seeing how it is getting worse and not knowing how it is going to end is quite frightening. How far can the torn tissue retract ?

There are a few differences in my case, but from what I understood, your rupture is on the side of the penis, while mine is at the top.

Does anyone know some Urologist who would actually take that seriously and make some tests ? cavernosogram, MRI ?

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 1 month ago #1281725771

Dfg 245 do you feel an MRI or cavernosogram directly to the penis would show a tear in the fascia? And do you have erectile dysfunction as well and what result do you think bloodflow has in all of this?

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 1 month ago #1281730296

Also has your erectile dysfunction gotten worse in the following years since the injury?

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 1 month ago #1281759540

I always find it disturbing the large number of men who are seriously injured from Jelqing. My thoughts are with you and I hope you find a solution. Perhaps over time, you will recover spontaneously if you abstain from sex. Be patient and hang in there.

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 4 weeks ago #1281773853

Well, I\'ll put my .50 cents into it.

Around 3 years ago I started Jelqing, and all this shit from PE forums.
On the second day, I ended it very well, no issues. Next day, I had A LOT of pain. My Dick was flacid, but hard as fuck, really thin, and cold.
I paniced, and tried to warm it up then do light stretches. No Can DO.
No more morning wood, EQ gone from a 10 to 5 (about 1 week later, as I did\'nt even got any erections during this first week), sex life started to REALLY decline.

When Erect, I would feel this pain on the left side, between 7 and 9 o\'clock, inferior left to middle left, from base till under glans. It was so much pain I would loose Erection, so my ED started.

I read about injuries on those dammed sites, and waited two months to see a Uro. There, I made all exams you guys can imagine: from Ultra sound, to Doppler US, with carverject induced erections, and MRI (also induced by carverject).

None showed sings of SHIT. The visible symptoms were:
-A slight sign of inflamation on the side, right next to glans, really small bend to the right, and it got smaller (about 2cm lenght - 1,8\" and maybe 1/2\" Girth)
-small indentation on my left side, near glans
-My Dick is thinner at the base, and grows larger near the and, kind like a baseball bat, and the base got even thinner

I felt this dull, incapacitating pain near my groin till the tip of my penis, during Erection it was bad, but after sex, the soreness and pain were even worse, when deflating from Erection, I would cry from pain. Unfortunatly, my GF did not help in this moment, she would demand sex, and be desapointed when i could not perform, and that contributed to my anxiety and got my hard flacid worse.

During this time, I tried every anti inflamatory you guys can imagine, and none worked. No Uro, even the best from my state, could find the source of the pain (not even me, I still cant pinpoint the origin of the pains)

I took me about eight month to start to see any changes.

Long story short, I am three years and 4 months from this injury, and my penis still pains me. If I sit inclined, at the right position, i feel it ache, if i pinch it, also. When half erected, if it bends upward or to the sides, it hurts a lot! I can no longer bend it when hard to the right, if I masturbate a lot, or with something a little stronger then a light grip, it hurts, if something press against it, it hurts... I got an ED, and well.. Its this.

After all this, I dont consider PMMA a solution to me, and was thinking of seen HONZEEs doc. But the idea of needles on my already bronken junk makes me think I\'ll have to give up and conform myself with this 4,5 Girth shit

Oh, by the way, around year 1, my size came back and now a days, I dont get so much Hard Flacid as before



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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 4 weeks ago #1281774098

adc555 wrote: Well, I\'ll put my .50 cents into it.

Around 3 years ago I started Jelqing, and all this shit from PE forums.
On the second day, I ended it very well, no issues. Next day, I had A LOT of pain. My Dick was flacid, but hard as fuck, really thin, and cold.
I paniced, and tried to warm it up then do light stretches. No Can DO.
No more morning wood, EQ gone from a 10 to 5 (about 1 week later, as I did\'nt even got any erections during this first week), sex life started to REALLY decline.

When Erect, I would feel this pain on the left side, between 7 and 9 o\'clock, inferior left to middle left, from base till under glans. It was so much pain I would loose Erection, so my ED started.

I read about injuries on those dammed sites, and waited two months to see a Uro. There, I made all exams you guys can imagine: from Ultra sound, to Doppler US, with carverject induced erections, and MRI (also induced by carverject).

None showed sings of SHIT. The visible symptoms were:
-A slight sign of inflamation on the side, right next to glans, really small bend to the right, and it got smaller (about 2cm lenght - 1,8\" and maybe 1/2\" Girth)
-small indentation on my left side, near glans
-My Dick is thinner at the base, and grows larger near the and, kind like a baseball bat, and the base got even thinner

I felt this dull, incapacitating pain near my groin till the tip of my penis, during Erection it was bad, but after sex, the soreness and pain were even worse, when deflating from Erection, I would cry from pain. Unfortunatly, my GF did not help in this moment, she would demand sex, and be desapointed when i could not perform, and that contributed to my anxiety and got my hard flacid worse.

During this time, I tried every anti inflamatory you guys can imagine, and none worked. No Uro, even the best from my state, could find the source of the pain (not even me, I still cant pinpoint the origin of the pains)

I took me about eight month to start to see any changes.

Long story short, I am three years and 4 months from this injury, and my penis still pains me. If I sit inclined, at the right position, i feel it ache, if i pinch it, also. When half erected, if it bends upward or to the sides, it hurts a lot! I can no longer bend it when hard to the right, if I masturbate a lot, or with something a little stronger then a light grip, it hurts, if something press against it, it hurts... I got an ED, and well.. Its this.

After all this, I dont consider PMMA a solution to me, and was thinking of seen HONZEEs doc. But the idea of needles on my already bronken junk makes me think I\'ll have to give up and conform myself with this 4,5 Girth shit

Oh, by the way, around year 1, my size came back and now a days, I dont get so much Hard Flacid as before



So what was the problem torn something

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 10 years 3 weeks ago #1281776059

Friend face wrote:

adc555 wrote:
So what was the problem torn something


I don\'t have a diagnostic... My atual uro thinks it might be peyronies, but I don\'t exactly fits the profile, I will take this post to him, and see what he thinks. One way or another, I had similar symptoms to those on this thread, and it seems to the Uros I visited, that theres not much to do but wait and see

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 9 years 10 months ago #1282697727

Well just putting it out there, wouldn\'t a dopplar ultrasound show that blood flow to the penis being normal, I too have had a dopplar and the results were normal, my 2 guesses would be either perineal trauma get an ultrasound, or MRI, or what ever else is offered on the perineum or as much as I hate to say possibly a penile fracture that untreated and the penis along with the perineum are both part of the pelvis and pelvic floor so any other tests on the pelvic floor might be useful

though like I said wouldn\'t a dopplar show that blood flow to the penis is normal? In my case it was

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 8 years 7 months ago #1288283630

hey guys !!
i have the same symptoms like you but i wanna know that because of this torn fascia do you feel any pain in penis or in glan while errection??
5 months ago while mastrubating i figured out that my penis glan wasnt able to keep blood nad was inflating a bit instantly and i started googling it and it gone worse reading all about ED it was getting even hard for me to get errections. i went to doctor and told him whole thing he said it just in my mind so i had one viagra and was getting my errections and i was getting normal errections after that easily. But now again as i started lookiing for this torn fascia my mind is fucked totally and i am having same symptoms and it is also effecting my errections. My flaccied penis feels weird than before no reduction in size though even when errect. but my glans not getting eneough blood and even penis under glans looks weird it wasnt like this before. so just want to know that is that ED or torn facsia. PLzz help me guys!! Thanks

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Torn fascia from jelquing? 8 years 7 months ago #1288293945

hey Medilook !! do you have these symtomps by yourself or any doctor told you about these ??
just answer my one question please when there is fascia injury is there any pain in genital area or in penis?
Thanks!!

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