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TOPIC: This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA

This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 8 years 1 month ago #1293698408

Florida wrote: I saw a program on PBS recently about bodybuilders who inject something into their muscles to give them super-size muscles. These guys get (emotionally) addicted to the stuff and keep injecting until they are pretty hideous looking. The program followed an American/Brazillian doctor team who studied three or four guys in Brazil (for some reason Brazil seems to be the place that they\'re doing this the most).

They showed computer imaging of the material that was injected into the muscles and how it had \"marbleized\" with the muscle tissue and was virtually un-removable. I kept thinking that the images looked like fudge swirl ice cream the way the injected material was so intertwined with the muscle mass.

They never referred to the injected material as PMMA, but it sounded like it was the same thing. Did you guys see this PBS program, and if so, what did you think?

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 8 years 1 month ago #1293698416

It was mineral oil and it is very dangerous since thr body can not absorb it

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 8 years 1 month ago #1293698732

Synthol

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 8 years 2 weeks ago #1293855109

Skeptical One wrote: I was made privy to an article posted in this months Journal of Sexual Medicine by Dr. Casavantes (in conjunction with Professor Lemperle and Dr. Morales). It is specifically about PMMA in the penis, as well as nodules, etc, hence why I think it would be of interest to readers here.

It was originally on the Journal\'s web page, but it is no longer accessible since the Journal is a subscription-based publication. I was able to rectify that by contacting Wade and was able to get this link:

Link to the Dr. Casavantes PMMA article found in the Journal of Sexual Medicine

If anyone has a membership with this journal, there is also a peer-review-type article written by Dr. Alter in response to PMMA in the penis. I was able to read it a few days ago but it has also been taken from Journal\'s non-subscription section. I suspect both articles would normally require a subscription to read.

For those who don\'t know, Dr. Alter is widely recognized to be one of the more unbias & insightful doctors to address the issue of Phalloplasty (he used to perform penis enlargement procedures, but no longer does). To summarize what I do recall was in it, Dr. Alter didn\'t have any major hangups on the efficacy of the procedure, but did point to gaps in knowledge in both stats regarding patient satisfaction as well as long-term implications. Short of endorsing the procedure (since his point of view was rather critical), he did imply it was a hopeful procedure as far as Girth gains go. I\'ll see if I can grab a PDF of that article as well.

Feel free to make conversation about the above-articles, this thread is open for discussion.

This is a great article thanks for the post

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 8 years 2 weeks ago #1293856325

Synthol for sure. I always wondered why in small quantities in a controlled environment that it wasn\'t an option. BB\'ers entirely abuse it and it looks hideous but I wonder , if the hands of a sed surgeon and in sane doses it could be useful.

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 10 months ago #1294401931

Great study, thanks for posting!

Summary of the study / the pdf posted:
Author did 752 operations with Metacrill 2007-2016, 203 (27%)of the patients returned the questionaires
Average Satisfaction rate from 1-10 was 8,7.
83% were satisfied, 12% were not so satisfied, 5% wer dissatisfied
Average Girth increased by 3,5cm. (Erect and non-Erect; that\'s 1.37 inches)

Erections were enhanced in 15%, stay same in 83%, decreased in 1,5%
Sensitivity was higher in 15%, stay same in 83%, decreased in 2%

50% of the time there were irregularities, 50% of the time penis surface was smooth
in 0.4% Nodules had to be surgically removed.

Inject in different spots, later instructing patient to massage the next 72 hours, 24 hours after procedure doctor also looks at it again.
First penis is fatter because water-based carrier, then smaller when this gets metabolized in body, then fatter again in the next 3 months it gets fatter again because body-material forms around the pmaa parts

100% got the first session
33% got the second
16% got the third
6% fourth
3% fifth

10% PMMA was used more in neck segments, 30% PMMA more midshaft and base
5-140 mL, average 40mL

More irregularities with uncircumcised patients.
[side note: Lig Cutting for length had 35% satisfaction rate]
'More half the patients (52%) reported minimum to severe
irregularities such as single nodules, multiple nodules,
hard ridges at the Circumcision scar or at the base, micro-nodules
at the entry points, indentations, or voids.
Sterile exudate through the entry points is a common occur-
rence that resolves in approximately 24 hours. Two patients
(0.3%) presented exudate that lasted longer than 72 hours but
resolved with no further complications.'

Removal of PMMA Penile Implants
\"Total surgical Removal of a PMMA implant might require
aggressive degloving of the penis, which is associated with painful
recovery and permanent irregularities. Removal should be the last
option, and meticulous smoothening of irregularities with cross-
linked Hyaluronic Acid, Silikon 1000, silicone micro-droplets,
or PMMA is more advisable.'

Materials:
'Metacrill is approved in Brazil, Mexico, and Europe, and
ArteFill (Bellafill since 2015; Suneva Medical, Santa Barbara,
CA, USA) is approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Adminis-
tration in the United States and South Korea, but the latter
product is too expensive when considering an average volume of
PMMA 40 mL per patient. The same is true for Artecoll (Artes
Medical, San Diego, CA, USA), which is approved in Europe by
the Conformit' Europ'enne and in China by the Chinese Food
and Drug Administration; PMMA microspheres in these prod-
ucts are suspended in rather expensive bovine collagen. There-
fore, for larger volumes, we rely on the two affordable PMMA
products (Metacrill and Linnea Safe [formerly New Plastic;
BioMedical, Sao Paulo, Brazil]) approved by ANVISA, the
Brazilian Health Ministry'

PMMA is used as 'wrinkle filler' since 1989







My reaction to the study:
Very interesting!
Don\'t want to be too cracy, but the study is from the guy that earns his living selling PMMA procedure. Would be interested to see Alter\'s comments (see posts below).
27% returned the questionaire. But 203 people is a looooot - much more than journals we have here, isn\'t it.
Also very interesting to me: Only a third of the patients even got to the second round. And combined fact: Average increase in Girth of 3,5cm (1.37 inches)

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 10 months ago #1294402337

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You can see Alter\'s editorial comments/concerns here:

www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(16)30328-9/pdf

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 10 months ago #1294403008

Fuck, you need a subscription to view the full article, if anyone on here has access to the full article please post it on here, because I and others would love to read it

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 9 months ago #1294857140

Yes, ll, are you able to look at Alter\'s editorial comments/concerns? You are the only one able to?
And you also wrote you read the original authors answer to that?

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 9 months ago #1294858174

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Dream wrote: Yes, ll, are you able to look at Alter\'s editorial comments/concerns? You are the only one able to?
And you also wrote you read the original authors answer to that?

You can\'t see it? I\'m viewing it with Chrome on a Mac, and it displays a preview. It\'s an an image, not text, so I need to do a zoomed screenshot.

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 9 months ago #1294859116

Thanks! (It was totally my mistake!)
Funny he had a lot of same concerns as me

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 9 months ago #1294859988

ll wrote: You can\'t see it? I\'m viewing it with Chrome on a Mac, and it displays a preview. It\'s an an image, not text, so I need to do a zoomed screenshot.

~LL

Is that a full article or only a preview? It would be nice if someone did found full version of Dr. Alter\'s review.

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 9 months ago #1294861333

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Herbert West wrote: Is that a full article or only a preview? It would be nice if someone did found full version of Dr. Alter\'s review.

It said it was just an editorial comment, so I think that\'s the full thing.

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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 7 years 6 months ago #1295690521

Dream wrote: Thanks! (It was totally my mistake!)
Funny he had a lot of same concerns as me


It\'s a case of \"only time will tell\". Hopefully PMMA won\'t have negative effects in the long term, although it is hit and miss with some individuals when in comes to results.


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This Months Journal of Sexual Medicine: PMMA 5 years 7 months ago #1308299966

Thanks for the article. It was good to see the results he posted. I did find the 50% irregularities high than I would have thought. As it does cause me some worry. But I am also glad to know about that up front.

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