oysters wrote: Im so skeptical about this. It is literally just a PRP protocol. Any PRP provider will tell you to use the stretcher and vacuum devices. Results are not permanent. I did prp and stretching and got good gains that faded away a few months after stopping the treatments. Also it says there can't be any bad outcome but stretching led me to peyronie's disease even though a followed the manufacturer instructions. Smells fishy.
Did you do the PRP monthly? Did you take Nitric Oxide supplements? Did you use medical-grade stretcher and pumps, and do it through a routine not found randomly on Thundersplace or Reddit, but one tailored by a Urologist who studies Sex Medicine? Did this routine have a study associated with it? Did you commit to this routine to a T for at least 6 months? If no, then I'm not sure how your personal experience provides any valid contention here. And if yes, well you yourself admitted gains during the process, so again, your personal experience doesn't invalidate this particular protocol.
Note*- no one is claiming the PRP itself is what provides gains (until proven otherwise, the PhalloBoards does not consider
PRP alone as an effective means for penis enlargement). What it is likely doing is providing growth & healing factors after your tunica has undergone tension via stretching & pumping, although Dr. Brandeis can verify if my understanding there is correct.
Permanency I don't know about, and I personally suspect that there will be a small percentage of men who are true
classic hard gainers, a term known in the Online Penis Enlargement (PE) scene to describe men who simply don't respond to PE exercises.
Interestingly, you acknowledged seeing good gains. What makes this fishy then? Where is the skepticism if you yourself are living proof that it CAN work. This option are for men who either are already accustomed to PE routines, or those who are simply uncomfortable with medical procedures that involve injections or incisions (which by the way, have their fair share of complication rates).
Following the manufacturer's instructions is meaningless from a PE device company. Most of these devices aren't big companies, they are small entrepreneurs that designed their prototype in their basement, slapped a patent on their version, and outsourced the construction in China (or wherever). The idea with P-Long is that it's custom tailored by a Urologist to ensure growth and minimize injury. For the countless guides out there on Thundersplace, Reddit, theBiohacker, and others, I'd prefer one with some underlying science than those developed by armchair PE gurus.
Any form of PE exercises if done incorrectly, too frequent or too intense can trigger Peyronie's down the road, yes. This is no different than a filler patient suffering from a severe granuloma reaction down the road, or a dermal matrix patient experiencing atrophy or necrosis of their graft due to poor vascularization down the road.
All PE methods, surgical or not, are not without risk.
Also, men just started this protocol, I say we save judgment on its merits until they start reporting -- seems a bit misguided to challenge the credibility of a protocol that you yourself admit can produce gains. Permanency is a different matter, and it's possible some men will need to do
maintenance routines to keep their size steady. There are a few reports of men who have just started, and one who has yet to report publicly (a veteran member I've known for a decade) has indicated to me in private about his very good results, and he's only halfway through his Protocol.
In other words, I respectfully ask we wait & see, because unlike girth injections, there are no immediate "Before & After's." Furthermore, Dr. Brandeis has been very forthcoming, answering more questions in a single thread than any Doctor has in a long time. As a matter of fact, he was running a special on the
frontpage (phalloboards.com).
offering the first 5 participants who apply can get the P-Long Protocol at cost if they are willing to share their results here -- I call that confidence in one's product/service.
Heck, I wouldn't be surprised with the feedback over the course of months or years that this Protocol could even see little modifications here and there, tweaked to be fully optimal. Members here who would rather opt out of injections or surgery could play a vital role in seeing if this protocol (1) works for most participants, (2) requires minor modifications for optimization, or (3) ultimately does not work for most men and requires going back to the drawing board. For now, having a Study published in an Andrology Journal gives it more weight than any protocol or routine you'll find elsewhere on PE sites, and for that reason, I think it's worth looking into.