TOPIC: Alternatives to Dr. N for European guys

What evidence do you have that multiple entry points is better? Entry points are frequent sites of nodules for many guys. I also don\'t think that Dr. N is inferior in terms of aesthetic outcomes. In fact, most case reports would argue that she is superior, particularly because she always uses less. I also don\'t see the need for antibiotics being prophalaxtically administered. If your entry site gets infected, something has gone wrong.

George7 wrote: She has in general good aesthetic results when comparing to Dr C and entry points often give nodules. One entry point is an advantage if you ask me.

I see your point George, however, a single entry point isn\'t necessarily optimal, even where aesthetics is concerned. Multiple entry points is a more balanced approach, and it\'s indicative of an experienced applicator. Factoring in good pre and post care attention, as well as better technology (cannula application), and his contributions to academic papers focused on the improvement of PE procedures, Dr. C is clearly the superior doctor...if she\'s even a doctor at all.

Given both short and long-term projections of male cosmetic/enhancement procedures in Europe, and the vacancy of doctors with proven filler experience, there is a *massive* opportunity present. If I were Dr. Oates, I\'d shift some work to the other Calibre docs and spend the next few months starting up a clinic in Europe. Just from leads here alone, he\'d be raking it in. $$$

As far as I know there are none. I liked Dr N, but I would prefer going to someone that answers e-mails quickly and also speak good english. The problem is that when shit hits the fan it is really difficult to communicate. Going to Mexico as you say for 3-4 rounds is really difficult due to time and money. I do however disagree about the entry points. She has in general good aesthetic results when comparing to Dr C and entry points often give nodules. One entry point is an advantage if you ask me.

What you think of any surgeon will be largely influenced by your own result.
Some will have had problems with Dr N and found her lacking. Some wil have great success.
Some will have good results with the Elist implant and love the man.

It\'s a pointless discussion anyway.
Regardless of how good or bad you think she is, Dr N is who we have and that\'s it.

Who is disliked my post? lol.What is from what I\'m saying is wrong? Do you realize that the monopoly is always a bad thing? If any Dr. will know that he or she is only option, he/she would monopolize prices and reduce quality of work if he/she wants it, because this Dr. will know that we don\'t have any alternatives. Just keep in mind what would have happened if we had only Dr. Elist or Dr. Loria.P.S. Think wider.

Agree we need more options, but a lot of people working with fillers might not want to inject into the penis. That is quite understandable. Another problem is one we also think about. No one know how this will go long term. Would you AS a proffesional gamble that everything will work out in the long term? If a lot of complications show up 10 years later some people might go out of business and have their reputation ruined.

I've googled it in the past but it doesn't seem there is anyone around.
And i think it's hard to convince some doctor to try it.
I've recently asked 3 Drs in Italy if they would inject me with Ellanse. All of them refused and want to either stick to their procedures (fat transfer and HA) or don't want to touch the penis at all (well in that case i asked to a doctor you usually use Ellanse, but in the face). And mind you, we were talking of a semi-permanent filler... :/

There is another issue.
Even if another Dr started giving PMMA, how many years of practice would he/she need to perfection it? Just wondering here, not sure how difficult the injection is, technically speaking.

About Dr.N, i cancelled her from the possibilities for me.
Not for an outcomes reason, there have been good/average/poor ones, but for the fact that she clearly consider US as a 'side' business and takes the right to ghost guys when problems arise. I wouldn't let a dog in troubles, how can she do that to her f patients? That shows no respect for us.
I've no idea how law works in Czech Republic, but i imagine it would be quite easy to sue a negligent doctor in Italy (or Germany, or Uk, or elsewhere). I've never had a Dr ghosting me , for much less important issues than a surgery in the penis. That's not acceptable.
Yet i totally understand the guys who went/will go to her, because i know where we come from.

Bump. Dr.N still have no competition in Europe, she has a monopoly for PMMA for penis enhancement in Europe, which may sounds some kind weird, but this is what we have now. I\'d like to go to Dr.C, but it\'s almost impossible for me, as well as for many other European guys on this board I guess. So we NEED a new PMMA doc in Europe. I\'ve promoted this idea to a few of local docs in my country, but all of them wasn\'t interested in that. Maybe some of you will be more lucky with this aspect and some of the docs would be interested to starting perform PMMA enhancement procedures.

Still nothing?

As the son of two medical professionals, I\'ve learned never to take any unnecessary risks when it comes to medical procedures. Always give yourself the best outcome possibility.

Antibiotics are given as a precautionary measure. If clean correct and sanitized medical practices are adhered to in PMMA surgery, in most cases one does not need them. Dr C and his staff were very very clean when I had my sessions. They were even sterilizing the metal tray, top and bottom and all the edges. In contrast, elist is the worst I have ever seen. He grabbed the trash bin while he was operating on me in his office! and moved it near him to throw the blood gauze in it then he continued to operate on me with the same gloves. I took antibiotics for 10-11 days to make sure that idiot was not going to kill me. I think in Dr C case, I may consider not taking them in my next session. We will see.

I can\'t speak about Dr N, never seen her.

Consuming one beer, 5-8% alcohol content, is not going to do anything negative after a PMMA session. OF course I am not saying go ahead and drink up. Common sense here.

Healthy food habits and clean life style will improve PMMA outcome. I found out that simple vitamin C was excellent overall before and after PMMA...

Having one beer is not significant. It is and never will be recommended to drink right after, but do people really believe having one beer will reduce gains or cause additional issues? Antibiotics is one thing, but that is also the only reason that one should avoid having a beer after. No doctor would say you should go out and drink heavy. There are a lot of \"truth\" out there that does not make sense. I see your point with antibiotics tough.

George7 wrote: Ok. So that is what that cream is. I asked if I could have a beer right afterwards to calm me down and she said no problem since you have not had antibiotics.

If you think a doctor who didn\'t administer antibiotics after a penile filler procedure, and okayed you to drink alcohol right afterwards, is on par with Dr. C, then it\'s very likely there\'s no convincing you otherwise.

thebeast1 wrote: What evidence do you have that multiple entry points is better? Entry points are frequent sites of nodules for many guys. I also don\'t think that Dr. N is inferior in terms of aesthetic outcomes. In fact, most case reports would argue that she is superior, particularly because she always uses less. I also don\'t see the need for antibiotics being prophalaxtically administered. If your entry site gets infected, something has gone wrong.

Product administration from different locations yield more balanced applications. The evidence is elementary. You can obviously reach more places effectively if you apply from more places. As for nodules, if properly massaged shortly following application, these almost always go away. Eventually the overwhelming majority disappear with time. As for aesthetics, this is entirely subjective.

Herbert West wrote: Who is disliked my post? lol.What is from what I\'m saying is wrong? Do you realize that the monopoly is always a bad thing? If any Dr. will know that he or she is only option, he/she would monopolize prices and reduce quality of work if he/she wants it, because this Dr. will know that we don\'t have any alternatives. Just keep in mind what would have happened if we had only Dr. Elist or Dr. Loria.P.S. Think wider.

I said exactly this before. There needs to be more competition.
The level of care would be much higher if there was.
She has no incentive to improve.