TOPIC: Teosyal or Voluma?

Well it\'s now time for the second phase of my PE journey. As some of you might remember I had lengthening with Rosenthal exactly a year ago. I would consider it a success after Hanging and stretching over the past year. Now I am ready to tackle Girth. I am 5.5 EG mid and close to or right at 6.0 at the base. My wife and I will be in London this upcoming winter and I am trying to decide on Voluma or Teosyal Ultra Deep at the Androfill facility. I am leaning towards Teosyal. First off I can receive much more Teosyal for the money and secondly guys have reported a much more firm feeling with it than Voluma. And lastly Teosyal seems to last longer? Benefits for Voluma seem to be less clumping and less need to form it over after a couple weeks and very good esthetics. Downfall for Voluma is obviously price, a squishier sensation and it may not last as long as Ultra Deep. The price difference is 20ml $6314 for Voluma or $4658 for 20ml of Ultra Deep. Im thinking 20ml will take me well into the 6\" mid shaft range. My wife is fine w this and knows I want to be pretty big so she\'s on my side which is good. But I just don\'t want to waste a bunch of time and money if Teosyal is not worth it. Anyways, if any members could share their experiences or thoughts, on Teosyal vs Voluma it would be greatly appreciated!

Regards,
LL

I\'d go with Oates too, but he\'s not in Europe, where he\'d get a much better deal on Ellanse.

chester wrote: I also noticed Dr. Oates silence on Ellanse. Everything points to Ellanse being a far superior filler than Voluma, Teosyal, or Ultimate. The main problem is that Ellanse is expensive outside of Europe. Dr. Oates is in Australia. Here\'s a previous quote from the doctor on Ellanse:

If I were going to have Ellanse I\'d go to doctor Oates
Look at how many people Dr Kim fucked up with his MegaFill procedure compared to Dr Gitt who fucked no one up using practically the same product.
And look at the difference in PMMA results between Dr C, Dr N and Dr Heller, the physician makes a huge difference.
I know your not going to him but if you do decide to have it make sure you find someone decent.

I also noticed Dr. Oates silence on Ellanse. Everything points to Ellanse being a far superior filler than Voluma, Teosyal, or Ultimate. The main problem is that Ellanse is expensive outside of Europe. Dr. Oates is in Australia. Here\'s a previous quote from the doctor on Ellanse:

Dr Oates wrote: Hi Everyone,

Just looking through some Ellanse research. Although the beads of PCL break down in 1/2/3/4 yrs the type 1 collagen produced usually has a \'half-life\" (i.e. half gone) in 15yrs.
Now I don\'t think we will really get 15yrs+ of result and the company does not claim that either but it certainly is interesting.
Also that in the face they often see 25+% more volume develop over the first 4 mths.

Dr Oates wrote: Hi Everyone,

As most of you know we used Voluma for most of our Calibre injectable penis enhancements. It is the best researched and has the best studies for longest longevity. But it is the most expensive and we had a couple of minor granulomas. Teosyal are probably the third biggest HA company in the world. We have been using Ultimate for the past 3 months. They have been gradually increasing their claims for it longevity. It is made to be their equivalent - or as they would put it their improvement on Voluma.

We trialled Ultra Deep on one patient but found it too irregular. The patient had quite high aesthetic expectations - but it certainly did not blend as well as Voluma. It is made with extra cross linking to be firmer and place down on the bone(so \"Ultra Deep) an province bony augmentation i.e. for chins/cheeks. So maybe in the penis is not the right place for it.

I have been very happy with Ultimate over the past 3 months. Maybe we could mix Ultimate and UD into the same syringe to try and get the benefits of both. It is a gradual thing to get the right product.

I think both Ultimate (Teosyal) or Voluma are good products for penis augmentation. It is probably both things like using cannula for safety, keeping strictly sterile, maybe doing 2 sessions rather that 15 - 20 ml in a single session that gives better results.

We find that guys coming back after 12 mths wanting more have not lost any Girth from their post treatment size.

Dr. Oats,
Is Ultimate less expensive than Voluma? I think that\'s what many people are looking for, a cheaper alternative to Voluma due to it\'s high price. This is why I am flying to London for HA. I believe UD is priced reasonably and I could easily maintain yearly top ups at that price point. I noticed you did not mention Ellanse is this equation. Would you choose Ultimate or Voluma over Ellanse? I am strongly considering Voluma now. Your information is extremely valuable, thank you.
Regards
LL

Hi Everyone,

As most of you know we used Voluma for most of our Calibre injectable penis enhancements. It is the best researched and has the best studies for longest longevity. But it is the most expensive and we had a couple of minor granulomas. Teosyal are probably the third biggest HA company in the world. We have been using Ultimate for the past 3 months. They have been gradually increasing their claims for it longevity. It is made to be their equivalent - or as they would put it their improvement on Voluma.

We trialled Ultra Deep on one patient but found it too irregular. The patient had quite high aesthetic expectations - but it certainly did not blend as well as Voluma. It is made with extra cross linking to be firmer and place down on the bone(so \"Ultra Deep) an province bony augmentation i.e. for chins/cheeks. So maybe in the penis is not the right place for it.

I have been very happy with Ultimate over the past 3 months. Maybe we could mix Ultimate and UD into the same syringe to try and get the benefits of both. It is a gradual thing to get the right product.

I think both Ultimate (Teosyal) or Voluma are good products for penis augmentation. It is probably both things like using cannula for safety, keeping strictly sterile, maybe doing 2 sessions rather that 15 - 20 ml in a single session that gives better results.

We find that guys coming back after 12 mths wanting more have not lost any Girth from their post treatment size.

Hi Chester I have considered Ellanse and went in to androfil to ask if they could do it. They refused as it\'s not reversible and didn\'t want to take the risk. Dr N in Prague will also offer Ellanse I have spoken to her and she said she can but it\'s more expensive than PMMA

If you guys are disappointed with the soft feel of Voluma, and the short durability, you should consider Ellanse. Androfill should be able to get a good price on it. drsiew.com/ellanse-everything-need-know-...-stimulating-filler/

ive added to my post with pics here phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/the...83221?pid=1300051531

Hey man I have just had 10ml done at Androfill last month. I got 6ml Voluma and 4 Ultra deep i think! Its hard to tell exactly the difference because they have blended it but I can see where its only voluma and it feels a lot more squishier. This may not be true and is only my observation but it feels like the voluma expands more but is softer whereas the ultradeep doesn\'t expand as much, but is much more firm. I neglected massaging the ultradeep as much as i should have and can feel a couple lumps where it hasnt quite been made smooth. I like the feeling of the ultradeep better but just wish i had massaged more. I also got loads of swelling this time round as I had 8ml of voluma over a year ago. The swelling was huge and really firm which made me feel like a monster but then to my disappointment, it went down after like a week.

curioso_guy wrote: Hey so you will be getting it done in London?
Have you looked at www.androfill.com/price-information/ . Apparently the site guarantees lowest price around.

It\'s run by Dr Gary Horn who does the lengthening and girth surgeries also, and I believe he has a good reputation. I went to a consultation about the lengthening and filler and he was nice and informative and I felt at ease. I\'ll be going with them both soon enough when my circumcision has healed properly, which is the first step in the master plan. I don\'t want a foreskin getting in the way of filler and stretching. Lol.

Yes London,
But I am now considering getting my first \"base\" round done with Dr C in TJ. I\'ll be in London in early February only for a week, so it would be impossible to get 2 rounds in. Both Dr C and Androfill suggest waiting 2-3 weeks in between rounds.

Hey so you will be getting it done in London?
Have you looked at www.androfill.com/price-information/ . Apparently the site guarantees lowest price around.

It\'s run by Dr Gary Horn who does the lengthening and girth surgeries also, and I believe he has a good reputation. I went to a consultation about the lengthening and filler and he was nice and informative and I felt at ease. I\'ll be going with them both soon enough when my circumcision has healed properly, which is the first step in the master plan. I don\'t want a foreskin getting in the way of filler and stretching. Lol.

Thanks Ches. Ya I saw that, I\'m actually compiling a list of members who have \"mentioned\" it. So far it\'s slim pickings, mattmoan was another. I was hoping this thread would scare up a lurker or 2. Going to have my consultation soon with first round hopefully being scheduled for 1st wk in Nov might just have to ask them? But in my experience many PE Drs only tell you what you want to hear. I\'m just surprised we don\'t have a progress report for Ultra Deep yet? The way it\'s advertised with Androfill, I\'m shocked we don\'t have more guys on here that have used it?

Regards,
LL

I think hoddle10 had it done. Do a search for \"teosyal\" and you can read his comments.

I thought voluma is the longest lasting HA