TOPIC: 2 weeks post op with Dr. Heller. Lumpy and depressed.

Hey, don\'t stop massaging, right now it is your best friend. Feel free to use a lot of force pushing down to flatten the big spots that are like macaroni. The thing with Bellafill is that it has a very slow acting carrier so unlike PMMA where the carrier is basically absorbed and the remainder fixed by the 4th day - Bellafill can take a lot longer as the carrier is bovine collagen.
I would not get depressed yet. If you read this board guys use all sorts of things from rolling it out with shampoo bottles, massage, do what you can to massage it into place. You may feel like you are starting over the next day but that\'s OK just keep doing it. Also pull you glans out and then with your free hand use your thumb and push everything up toward the base using a rocking motion - kind of like you are rolling your thumb up your Dick. Gravity will have a way of pulling everything down.
Also it rarely ever looks good after 1 round. PMMA and I assume Bellafill, does not absorb evenly, there are high and low spots, entry site nodules etc. Mine all went away with little intervention other than massaging and have smaller follow up rounds to target the areas I didn\'t like - it all worked out in the end.
Heller is known for not mixing or opening the products in front of the patient. Not saying that he is using faux products - I don\'t he would risk losing his license.
It is way to soon to tell what is a real lump at least with PMMA there are so many changes, residual swelling, fluid areas - don\'t freak but don\'t think of this as a one shot deal - it rarely is - just get it as good as you can working on the lumps, and with HA they do go away after a month or so in general. They need to absorb water I believe and it softens.

indiano123 wrote: Is that the most he will inject? Honestly i believe you should have Massaged the same day. Thats what dr c tells everyone because stuff like this happened. I still say massage buddy and possibly try dsmo to make lump smaller. Overall it doesnt look too bad.

He prefers to work in only 5cc amounts. He was willing to do more, but I didn\'t feel like dropping $7000 on 10ccs of Bellafill. I\'m honestly glad I didn\'t. If this is 5ccs what would have 10 looked like? I\'ll check out DSMO and will update as I go.

Looking back I have to agree with you on the massaging. He really gave no advice in person other than rest it for a week and massage if I see any lumps. I figure listening to the Doctor is a good policy. However, in hindsight, how would I have known there were lumps to massage if it was completely swollen?

skippythewhale wrote: Phew boy. I\'ve been lurking this site for about two years, always wanted to be bigger but never sure of what course to take. I\'ve tried stretchers and Jelqing, but I\'m just too busy juggling everything to keep up with something for more than a month tops. I finally made the decision to have a PMMA procedure, and since I don\'t have the time to take a vacation to Mexico, I went with Dr. Heller. His Manhattan office is very close to where I work. It\'s been 2 weeks to the day, and I\'m worried and upset with the results.

Starting in, I am 6.5 BPEL, 5.25 eg midshaft. I want my Girth at 6.

Dr. Heller was very nice, almost nonchalant about the procedure. He stated that he can inject 5cc of Bellafill for $3500. Explained that it isn\'t a perfect procedure (very hard to get perfect symmetry, etc.) But there will be permanent gains, and that most irregularities will smooth out after about 2 months post-op.

To start, Dr. Heller did not mix the syringes in front of me. Not sure if that\'s an issue, but there it is. He uses needles, not a cannula, so there was some definite bruising and soreness for about a week. The local anesthesia worked, and other than a pinch now and then, and the odd feeling of having stuff injected into your pecker, was painless. After wards, my penis looked very swollen, but good.

I asked him what I need to do now. He didn\'t wrap it, didn\'t suggest a stretcher, or anything. A direct quote about wrapping \"I don\'t believe in all that.\" His advice was to gently massage out any lumps that begin to form and not \"use it for a week.\"

So after a drive home, I laid in bed and let it d between my legs and spent the next day like that as well. Then I went about my business as usual.

At about 5 days, I noticed a lump on my right side at the circ line, like someone had implanted a piece of macaroni under my skin. I massaged it as best I could, but it didn\'t go away. Plus I was still swollen and sore from the procedure. At one week I had sex with my girlfriend. She really enjoyed the increase in Girth, so that\'s a plus.

Now at 2 weeks, most of the swelling has gone down, and I am very upset with what I am seeing. Flaccid it looks fine, but Erect there are alot of lumps. The lump on my right C scar is bigger, and a lump has formed below it, making a valley between them. A lump on the center top has formed, as well as one one the lower left side. There are slight dips all over my penis, and the PMMA seems to only be on the upper 3/4ths of the shaft. and It looks more like a knurled club than a penis (to me, anyway.) I attached some photos.

I went back to Dr. Heller today (tried to go earlier, but both he and I are busy) and when he looked at it he told me not to worry with a smile. He said that in a month or so most of the lumpiness will smooth out, and that I should gently massage and lumps I do have. I showed him the photos of my Erection and he still said the same thing.

So am I being paranoid? Is there anything I should do? I followed the Dr.\'s advice and this is my result. Should I continue to follow it and just massage gently and chill the hell out? My Girlfriend doesn\'t really want to have sex with me at this point, she\'s freaked out at the lumps.

Is that the most he will inject? Honestly i believe you should have Massaged the same day. Thats what dr c tells everyone because stuff like this happened. I still say massage buddy and possibly try dsmo to make lump smaller. Overall it doesnt look too bad.

great post!

10003 wrote: Hey, don\'t stop massaging, right now it is your best friend. Feel free to use a lot of force pushing down to flatten the big spots that are like macaroni. The thing with Bellafill is that it has a very slow acting carrier so unlike PMMA where the carrier is basically absorbed and the remainder fixed by the 4th day - Bellafill can take a lot longer as the carrier is bovine collagen.
I would not get depressed yet. If you read this board guys use all sorts of things from rolling it out with shampoo bottles, massage, do what you can to massage it into place. You may feel like you are starting over the next day but that\'s OK just keep doing it. Also pull you glans out and then with your free hand use your thumb and push everything up toward the base using a rocking motion - kind of like you are rolling your thumb up your Dick. Gravity will have a way of pulling everything down.
Also it rarely ever looks good after 1 round. PMMA and I assume Bellafill, does not absorb evenly, there are high and low spots, entry site nodules etc. Mine all went away with little intervention other than massaging and have smaller follow up rounds to target the areas I didn\'t like - it all worked out in the end.
Heller is known for not mixing or opening the products in front of the patient. Not saying that he is using faux products - I don\'t he would risk losing his license.
It is way to soon to tell what is a real lump at least with PMMA there are so many changes, residual swelling, fluid areas - don\'t freak but don\'t think of this as a one shot deal - it rarely is - just get it as good as you can working on the lumps, and with HA they do go away after a month or so in general. They need to absorb water I believe and it softens.

I understand having to save and not having enough money for the procedure. You could try to go back and get bellafil/macrolane mix i believe it $1000 for 10cc. Or even another doctor in nyc. There\'s dr mirza who charges $400 per cc which will be about $2,000.

Sorry it will be 2,000 for 5 cc

Lexus27 wrote: Thank you for sharing.i will not be going to Heller. My appointment is booked with dr.c and wade for April.

learn from my mistakes, brother.

indiano123 wrote: Have you tried dsmo? If you do go to dr c i suggest asking for a full round of silkon1000 or silkon and PMMA to cover the irregularities. Have you tried pumping and massaging, its sort of possible you pump up and then aggressively massage. Sorry this happened man, but do you think u will ever go back to heller?

i\'ve been massaging non-stop every day. no dice. it\'s settled in. I\'m not sure where to pick up any DSMO locally, though I live near Manhattan, so it can\'t be that hard to find if I know where to look. Perhaps online.
Heller is still acting like this is a normal outcome of the procedure. He offered no suggestions for post care. I even asked about wrapping and the like immediately after the procedure, and he told me \"he doesn\'t believe in all that.\" I paid the man $3500 for a Peyronie\'s-esk lumpy Dick with less than a .25\" increase that my girlfriend doesn\'t want to touch. I would strongly advise never going to see this man for PMMA. I will certainly not be going back. I\'ve contacted Avanti Derma and sent Wade the latest set of photographs on Friday. waiting for a response.

Thank you for sharing.i will not be going to Heller. My appointment is booked with dr.c and wade for April.

Have you tried dsmo? If you do go to dr c i suggest asking for a full round of silkon1000 or silkon and PMMA to cover the irregularities. Have you tried pumping and massaging, its sort of possible you pump up and then aggressively massage. Sorry this happened man, but do you think u will ever go back to heller?

Damn sorry you have to go through this. I had similar results with my first round using PMMA. Luckily after many subsequent procedures, it doesn\'t look nearly as bad. I would go and see Dr. C for the second procedure. Even though he is the one that I got a terrible first round result from, it was because I wore the silicone sleeve and it mushed up the product and created a nightmare. .They no longer have people wear those sleeves. I know that if I wouldn\'t have wore the sleeve, the result would\'ve been way better. Good luck to you

About the 1 month mark (27 days) post op. I really hope the second round, regardless of where I get it done, improves on the first.

Cashew wrote: If he payed $3500 for 5cc of Bellafill then the 10cc of Bellafill/macrolane for $2000 would even have less than 5cc of Bellafill mixed in with it. That does sound like a rip off compared to getting 20cc of PMMA from Dr C for $3000. That extra $500 is the cost of traveling to Mexico and your getting 15cc more product. That\'s triple the gains for the same price. If Heller used more Bellafill like around 10-15cc for that price than I could see going to him. But $7000 for 10cc of Bellafill is crazy. Thanks for sharing the detailed review on Heller because I was wondering about him for awhile. It just doesn\'t seem worth it to pay that much for such little product.

Yeah it was more of the convenience factor, since I live and work so close, plus I had assumed that being able to literally come in after work or on a day off at a whim with no travel plans involved would be worth the extra, but in hindsight I think I\'ll take a trip south of the border for my next round. I don\'t know what my final results with 5CC will be, but so far I\'m sitting at 5.4 - 5.45 EG midshaft. at this rate I\'ll be dropping 20k before I hit my goal.

Also, I haven\'t seen anything decent about Heller here, either. So I guess I\'m the guinea pig lol. I\'ll post more pictures tomorrow. Not much has changed, though.

indiano123 wrote: I understand having to save and not having enough money for the procedure. You could try to go back and get bellafil/macrolane mix i believe it $1000 for 10cc. Or even another doctor in nyc. There\'s dr mirza who charges $400 per cc which will be about $2,000.

If he payed $3500 for 5cc of Bellafill then the 10cc of Bellafill/macrolane for $2000 would even have less than 5cc of Bellafill mixed in with it.

That does sound like a rip off compared to getting 20cc of PMMA from Dr C for $3000. That extra $500 is the cost of traveling to Mexico and your getting 15cc more product.

That\'s triple the gains for the same price. If Heller used more Bellafill like around 10-15cc for that price than I could see going to him. But $7000 for 10cc of Bellafill is crazy.

Thanks for sharing the detailed review on Heller because I was wondering about him for awhile. It just doesn\'t seem worth it to pay that much for such little product.

So I\'ve been massaging the lump every day (when I wake up, go to bed, pull it out to use the bathroom, etc.) lump is still the same size. When I work at it for a while it does sort of flatten out, but next time I go to inspect it it\'s right back to how it was prior. I had sex this morning, and it actually hurt. Sort of a sharp pain whenever there was a squeeze or entry/re-entry. I\'m thinking I should go try to find myself some DSMO to see if that will at least soften it enough to where it doesn\'t cause this issue.

@ indiano123 I\'d rather just stick with the PMMA, but I\'ll have a look-see. I have about 5 more weeks before my second round would be up anyway, so I have time.