TOPIC: Is PMMA an inevitably bad filler for the penis?

Like many of you, I\'ve read about the good and the bad of PMMA, mainly on this board. After seeing some of the before and afters, part of me says, \"do it!\" The other part says, \"putting a shit ton of plastic pellets in your Cock can\'t end well.\" So after some thinking, I\'ve made an observation, which I\'d like to share with you all, to gauge your thoughts. The ingredient that is suspending these pellets in your Cock is collagen. We all know that the human body\'s ability to create collagen is drastically reduced as we age. In fact, collagen loss is precisely what causes our skin to wrinkle, and lose its resilience. So doesn\'t it stand to reason, from a purely scientific perspective, that what was once a 30% infusion of PMMA can, over the years, turn into a much higher percentage of PMMA vs. collagen? The inevitable outcome would seem to be a Cock full of plastic pellets with very little collagen. Think of a balloon, or Ziploc bag full of water, with 30% of it consisting of plastic pellets floating around (age 30). Then pour some of that water out while keeping the same pellets in the bag, so that 60% of the bag is plastic pellets, and only 40% is water. (age 60). If a collagen-deficient, plastic pellet-filled Cock isn\'t bad enough, because you\'re older, you erections won\'t be anywhere near as hard, so you\'ll have to \"get up\" amidst all that plastic. If that is the long-term prospect of PMMA, that certainly isn\'t appealing. Thoughts? A doctor\'s feedback would be very helpful here, as well.

I calculated this a long time ago... but over 3 rounds, I only had something like 7 ccs of \"pure PMMA\". The rest was carrier. 7ccs is 1.5 teaspoons. Spreading 1.5 teaspoons of PMMA over my penis (if it were not an immuno-stimulant) would be invisible. The \"collagen\" is scar tissue. It is walling off the PMMA from teh body because it is seen as a foreign invader.

There hasn\'t been much evidence that any PMMA-based product loses volume over time. The longest term study with Artefill was 5 years, and it hadn\'t changed. So the collagen / PMMA ratio won\'t change.

\"There hasn\'t been much evidence that any PMMA-based product loses volume over time. ' The longest term study with Artefill was 5 years, and it hadn\'t changed. 'So the collagen / PMMA ratio won\'t change.\"

Thanks, Restoration. However, my point wasn\'t about PMMA volume loss, but instead the collagen that is suspending it, which is made by our bodies, which makes *much* less of it as we get older. Also, a five-year study clearly doesn\'t address the matter of aging, and it certainly isn\'t enough to say that the ratio won\'t change based on that.

I guess I was trying to say that scar tissue doesn\'t really change that drastically due to age. Scars remodel in a 2 year period and then remain relatively stable. I suppose they might thin out a little, but it\'s not going to be that noticeable in most people. Having it injected when you are in your 20s, we\'ve seen on this board, has produced better results than with older guys- but it\'s not a perfect 1-1 correlation. The collagen that PMMA creates is very similar to the collagen in scar tissue. They body needs to keep the PMMA walled off since it is a foreign body, so it will keep that collagen in place as long as the PMMA is there.


That 5 year study is just the best they have, given how long it has been out and getting people to comply with being in a research study for 5 years. There are isolated articles with artecoll or some early PMMA. One had a woman had it for 15-20 years...and then had cancer, so she went on interferon, and her body vigorously attacked the PMMA due to the interferon\'s effects. It was all still in her nasolabial folds (and she still had the volume), but interestingly it had sunk down and Inch or so.

Honestly, I hope you\'re right and this crap does reduce over time... but unfortunately for me, it just got harder over the past 1 year. One plastic surgeon I saw was concerned it may keep growing as the immune system keeps attacking it in my case, since I had such an odd response.

@ Chester,

I think it\'s an interesting thought process.

If you consider that as you age, collagen doesn\'t disappear - it\'s just that new collagen production ability drops off. Getting PMMA injected for the first time at a very old age would likely not yield the same results it would yield for a younger recipient, because of the patients ability to produce collagen.

That\'s the way we would EXPECT things to work...however, if you read the threads of older users (50yrs old+), they seem to experience results comparable to younger folks.

As we age, all collagen doesn\'t just disappear. Old people have scars, which is collagen tissue. Their skin may sag, but it doesn\'t disappear. Collagen is still very present in joints and connective tissue.

So the ability to replace collagen is certainly compromised as we age, but I don\'t think observation supports the idea that all collagen would disappear around an area where PMMA had been injected. Just my 2 cents.

I think the reality is that most of this is speculative, as there isn\'t a lot of research to tell us what will happen after say 30 years of PMMA. It\'s anyone\'s guess, really.

You could also consider what your sex life might look like in your 60\'s or 70\'s. And then contrast that to the body\'s of other 60-70 yr olds...likely, having an imperfect penis won\'t be the biggest issue in your life, PMMA or no PMMA.

I\'ve had mine in for what feels like 3 years now. Might be less or more. Anyways after the first year or so it has really become essentially inert. Every once in a while it is inflamed or whatever. Probably because of tons of sex and masterbation. I digress.

I may be totally wrong but I suspect nothing traumatic will happen during my lifetime. Once I\'m dead, well, I guess it does not matter anymore lol

And yeah, if I can still get it up at 60-70 then that will be the main thing LMAO!

The older I get, the more I think (older) women just care if it is substantial. When you\'re in your 20s, girls of that age probably are looking for the perfect Pini, but by 40, they just care if it gets up and if they can feel it. Not saying older women cant appreciate a perfect Cock (natural 8x6+). But they\'re definitely less picky. As in - a date with a big fat PMMA Cock is great for them, even if it\'s got the odd lump of whatever. My experience so far is they\'re more focused on getting laid than aesthetics. At 40 they know nothing is perfect.

My 2 cents.

Smalljay I don\'t think it\'s only the \"older\" broads that are not bothered about what it is looking like. ED is so common now, even among the young men, that most women are really more focused on \"getting laid\" as buttercups put it, and maybe a little more than that, the hardness or EQ.

So for me, I\'d be damned if I care about nodules and ridges if they are not suppurating! However, not having gone down the road of PMMA, I think the thread is appropriate due to the statistics and I\'ve decided I\'ll go the \"temporary\" way (Ellanse or HA).

When looking back at the guys who had it done years ago and went from say 4,5 to 7\"+ without much trouble, and seeing the guys now adays strugle with all kinds of trouble (ive done 3 rounds and gaind less then an Inch) im totaly shure the product has changed for the worse.. With all the trouble now adays i must admit Even silicone injections is starting to look tempting for me..

Maybe techniques have changed, maybe carriers? Some doctors can become complacent and let the growth of clientele get to their head. I hope this will not happen to Dr Oates later ...