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TOPIC: Any difference with Linnea Safe?

Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287094198

Question for the forum..
Has anyone recently received Linnea Safe after getting Metacrill from Avanti Derma? If so, did you experience better collagen growth and/or get any nodules? I know in the last year or two some people didn\'t develop gains with Metacrill.
Thanks,

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287095789

Yes, I had Linnea Safe 6 weeks ago, 30%. I had Metacrill twice in the past in 10% and 30% concentrations.

At my last visit to my Dermatologist in the USA, he counted 12 palpable nodules at ~5 weeks post...ranging from the size of a pea to the size of a grape...from deep under the skin to something at the skin surface level.

I had 2-4 small nodules from Metacrill each time at the skin surface that were gone by 6-8 weeks. I had 1 large Nodule at the base from metacrill 10% that was gone at 8 weeks with no intervention.

I had 1/4\" growth from 15 cc metacrill 30% and no growth from linnea safe 30% (15 cc also). Maybe I got 1/4\" from Linnea safe , but it\'s hard to tell with the nodules.

I think the other part of the problem could be the lack of steroid shots... my swelling was much worse and I got nodules right away. I found the Linnea Safe ingredients (and put them in the FAQ) and do not have any sensitives to them. However, the trauma of a third round (which is tough - given that you have to break through all the collagen from the early rounds) can also have caused this.

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287097260

Thanks. Appreciate it. Im deciding on which brand of PMMA would be best to get.

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287097862

Unfortunately there\'s no study or solid data on which will give you more growth and/or less nodules. There was another patient there during my week who posts here - hopefully he will update because he also had Linnea Safe (edit - see the log by \"MustGetBigger\" - he updated it today). Dan Salas said the reputation for linnea safe is really good - and more widely known than metacrill. Dr. Casavantes said it is easier to inject through the syringe, and they\'ve anecdotally noticed it was giving bigger results...but this was definitely not a guarantee of anything.

These boards may not really be representative. I definitely am an outlier since I haven\'t gained much from two rounds of 30%. Though, in my (again weird) experience, I noticed more growth far down the line, whereas most people notice some shrinkage. I think when the body fills the implanted area with blood vessels (takes 3-4 mos) then I have noticed a bit more size. In other guys\' journals, they tend to post some minor shrinkage around 4-6 mos.

My best experience was with 10% metacrill...manufactured in 2013. So... who knows what is going on with me or these products. I wish I could tell you LS gave me 1/2\" solid and no lumps.

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287098424

So whats are you saiyng its that 10% is the best with the best smooth and natural looking results? And how much can i gain from 10%?

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287105315

Restoration wrote: Dan Salas said the reputation for linnea safe is really good - and more widely known than metacrill.


No offense to Dan Salas, but he\'s not a credible source on the reputation/quality/efficacy of PMMA brands. He\'s only recently gotten into the \"bioplasty game\" (quotations which imply that he\'s served as a referral agent to other doctors in the past) and isn\'t nearly intimately involved with the industry & products to make any credible claims. He\'s neither a physician or a registered nurse although he considers himself a patient educator. I don\'t have anything personal against the guy since he\'s never shilled or disrespected the forum, but wanted to clarify that he has virtually no authority/legitimacy on this thread\'s topic.

I suspect you\'ll find bias in most sources regarding PMMA brands, but I\'m willing to bet your best bet is Professor Lemperle. I believe he\'ll respond to email inquiries.

As for the topic itself, sample sizes and progress reporting are still too small to indicate a real difference or sheer coincidence. Hopefully this is an incentive for more men to report, good or bad.

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Any difference with Linnea Safe? 7 years 6 months ago #1287109209

Yeah, when we first talked, he hadn\'t heard of it & they were only using metacrill. Then, because I wanted LS, they actually spent a couple of weeks looking into it & trying to get it. So, when he finally got it - he just casually said something like \"I\'m glad you told me about it because through the process of asking around, it seems like a premium product that will be more in demand\" than metacrill. So, that\'s the context...I didn\'t mean to say it like he was trying to up-sell it or something.

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