TOPIC: PMMA Pricing Conversation

But dcpimpin the reason Dr C isn\'t treated like Loria, Krakovsky or Elist is because he didn\'t seek out this site as a an avenue of marketing that he didn\'t have to pay for. I think his business has benefited greatly from PhalloBoards but he has done absolutely nothing to solicit this. The reason for his popularity is purely down to PhalloBoards members. It started with a post by Envisionmore and then GSX was the first pioneer. After that it simply snowballed. Virtually all the PMMA research was done by our members, so we \"sold\" the procedure to ourselves. All the progress reports were volunteered by our members at the request of other members. Dr C himself had nothing to do with any of this. He\'s a benefactor certainly, but he didn\'t come on here touting for business, using shills and shady surgical brokers. I\'m sure his prices did go up due to the demand thanks to this site, but he\'s just reacting to market forces and seeing as he didn\'t do anything to actively try and promote himself, then he\'s done nothing wrong in my opinion. Also his prices are lower than Dr N in Prague and I think Dr Passy. So of the 3 main PMMA Dr\'s spoken about on this site, he is still the cheapest. Also, if you remember when the procedure first started being discussed he said he\'s use between 10-12cc of PMMA. Now he routinely uses 25cc +.

I can\'t speak on SO\'s behalf, but I suspect he\'d strongly be against any financial relationship between PhalloBoards and any Dr. Even if it\'s something simple like a discount for our members. The whole he reason he set up the forum is because he and others we absolutely sick to death of being mislead by information found on forums who had financial relationships with certain Dr\'s. It\'s imperative that the site remains totally impartial. We don\'t want situations, for example, when members would become hesitant about criticizing Dr C or asking probing questions if they thought it could cause for him to get annoyed and withdraw his PhalloBoards discount.

as my good friend spankass said and i quote: (the site is the only reason his prices went up because he sees avenue of marketing he didnt have to pay for and never had before and if anything he sjhould be giving a discount for people from the site because its free business) totaly agree with that statement.

briceb wrote: This is just to carry on the conversation from Kingpin\'s progress thread.

There are a lot of people that are complaining about the pricing of PMMA and how the price has increased due to demand.

I completely understand that everyone would like for the pricing to be as inexpensive as it was when this forum began. I would love for that to be the case as well. However, the doctor is a businessman. And as a good businessman, he understands supply and demand. Also, compared to other options, it is relatively inexpensive.

Also, I find it interesting that some people are complaining about this forum being the reason for the increase of the popularity and thus the price. At the same time, this forum is the reason some of these very people even know or have further information about PMMA as an option.

All this to say that I think that it is very unfair to villanize Dr. C for increasing his prices. He has a business to run and he is doing that to the best of his ability. I think that when all factors are weighed (risks, complications, size increase, etc) the price is still very fair for what is received.

I did not take advantage of the lowest pricing but that was a personal choice. I wanted to wait and see a few more outcomes. Also, I wanted to make sure that I felt comfortable with his technique and knowledge, which appeared to improve. I feel that this in itself was worth the increased cost.

Just my $0.02

This echoes my sentiments. Furthermore, while cost is important, it cannot be the reason you pick one method over another...that would be reckless!

SpankAss wrote: those patients are not 100% proven success stories as in years of no side affects or any complications

To be fair, I do not know of a single elective cosmetic suregery that has this type of track record.

SpankAss wrote: I was hoping he was maybe 50% business and rest more out there to help more people with there issues so the higher in price he goes he def does put out alot of people from the market

SpankAss wrote: to go up so drastically shows only that you saw a opportunity and took advantage of it rather then actually sincerely caring for the people with the problems

So what would you tell me if I came to your bank and said \"Give me a loan but make my interest rates half of the market rate to show me you care\"? Come on, that is an absurd statement to make. Mercedes and BMW have priced themselves out of some people\'s reach, as well. He is running a business and not a charity. However, if you would like to take some of your \"well over 6 figures\" and start a fund to help supplement the cost for other patients, I am certain they would appreciate knowing you care and will give up your money. No dice? Didn\'t think so.

SpankAss wrote: now you can say the same thing still but the 3k went to 5500 vs the 8k and the 8k did go down btw with many US docs to around 6k so why travel all the way to TJ to save 500 bucks when many US docs are doing the PMMA and in time it will be common so what then...competing war?

Now I think you are getting it. Supply, demand and the marketplace will determine the cost of the product or service. Welcome to economics 101.

SpankAss wrote: look at Loria...he evaded all kinds of questions but then again looking back on it think about it.... i have a new thing coming out and you want me to go into detail about so what you can come to some forum take my ideas and go start your own thing? If i was loria i wouldnt have said crap here either. Who knows who is who here and i might just steal your new and up and coming procedure for myself

Sorry, but a doctor is going to have to tell me what is in the mix before he injects in into my body.

SpankAss wrote: perfect example is Dr C going to korea to learn how to do glans...now he is gonna do it...what it the korean dude had a patent on it and didnt want anyone to know his technique then would he post to random guys on a forum? prob not

This statement is ridiculous. Dr. C had to set up going to Korea and meeting with the doctors over there to be taught the technique. It\'s not like they flew over there, threw on a surgical mask and snuck into the operating room. If the Korean doctors did not want Dr. C to know the technique, they would not have invited him.

SpankAss wrote: i am not being negative towards him cause i will more then likely being going to him but rather the fact i simply dont agree with his new pricing methods bases mainly off this sites increase for his business

SpankAss wrote: i dont see why a increase was needed at all even cause was his business not running fine without this site at all before this forum was made.

You have to understand that Dr. C was performing a few of these procedures and the majority of what occupied his time was other cosmetic procedures. This was never a big part of his business until people found out about it (And his technique has greatly improved since then). Take into account the value of the materials, his staff, his personal time, etc. you will see that this procedure absolutely could support a price increase. We are getting back into economics 101 again, but he has only so many hours in a day. If I have time to deal with 5 people and I have a dozen that want to see me, I am certainly in demand. I can then price my service higher and keep the demand of 9 people, still only being able to service 5.

SpankAss wrote: PS. ultimately its his business and he can do w/e he wants and we can not go to him or go to him that is i guess the bottom line lol

Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner!

Skeptical One wrote: @Spankass

I can see it now:

\"Spankass on phone with Avanti Derma: Ok how much for an appointment?
Receptionist: $2500 for the first appointment.
Spankass: $2500!? Listen, you guys are in Mexico, I can find it for half the price there.
Receptionist: Yes, maybe, but Dr. C is a world-renowned bioplastician who is very experienced.
Spankass: He\'s just sticking a needle into a penis, how about $1,000?
Receptionist: I BEG your pardon?
Spankass: Fine, the original price of $1500 I think is a fair one.
Receptionist: Sorry we do not negotiate prices, our first time appointment is $2500.
Spankass: $1750.
Receptionist: :: remains quiet ::
Spankass: :: remains quiet ::
Receptionist: If it makes you feel better, your follow up appointments reduce in price each time.
Spankass: Give me your follow-up appointment rates.
Receptionist: Our second appointment goes for $2,000, however I cannot charge you that now.
Spankass: 2,000 is too much, are you guys crazy? $1850 is my final offer and I\'ll pay in cash!
Receptionist: Click.

Give me a break ...

S.O, funny as hell and most likely right on the nose....LOL!!!!!!!!

I think Dr C should lower his price as well i mean lets face it if it wasnt for this forum he wouldnt have the business he has now. Now I wasnt around this forum when a great mod was here by the name of ep but i heard good things about him and that he was well respected here. as im learning new things about ep and why he left the forum i cant help to think that this forum does wonders for dr c. so yeah dr c if you read this please lower your price.

New1inch wrote: i don\'t have much to say on this subject but i do agree that I too was a little sour when I found out that he spiked up the price. I think if he decreased the price he would make even more money off volume alone.

If that were the case then people wouldn\'t already have to book weeks in advance. There are only so many hours in the day at it seems that Dr C is working all of them already. There have been quite a few posts about Dr C staying late to see people.

One of the things that has concerned me in the past is that it\'s has been mentioned that Dr C has been tired and I\'m sure one member said he had to stop for a break mid procedure, as he was so tired.

I would have to disagree with you, New1inch. There are only so many of these he can perform on a given day.

If he only has availability for 6 (just an example) procedures (including the other parts of his practice) but has 10 that want to see him, he has a surplus of patients.
If he drops the price, he still has time to see the same number of people, but now he has a higher surplus of patients, generating a lower income.
If he raises the price and drops his demand by 20%, he still has the same time, same 6 patients, but these generate a higher income (and still has a slight surplus)

We have to keep in mind that this is not the one and only part of his practice. He has many patients that come to him for other services not even remotely related to penile enhancement.

i don\'t have much to say on this subject but i do agree that I too was a little sour when I found out that he spiked up the price. I think if he decreased the price he would make even more money off volume alone.

it was now as in last month

and i never said that he claimed to be a humanitarian i said MY VIEW of him was was that since he seemed to genuine and he never seemed like he was in it for the money but rather to just help as much as he could...i just looked at him as that way cause i saw what he was doing for so many and building them back up as in self esteem

so just my view of him has changed a bit....prices can be whatever they want and they can go up even more....its fine tbh

I do not think that anyone ever presented Dr. C as a humanitarian. Although, he is certainly caring and concerned for his patients.
A savior? Well, I guess that depends on your perspective.


And just out of curiosity, was this 2.25% rate when rates were hovering around 3.25% or now when they are around 4.25%?
If it was during the 3.25% time, this person got a rate at 69% of the going market rate.
Likewise, if you say you will go for 3 rounds ($5,500) and compare it with another option at $8,000 you have the same savings.
However, if you only go for one or two rounds, the savings are much more substantial.

as i stated i didnt say he is a douche bag for increasing it... i get why as a business man he did it but thats all he is was my point....not some guy out to actually help people with problems as in a cause or charity....dudes just another doc out for pure profit and that is evident in the price increases UNLESS they were related to costs from manufactures going up in price to him

as far as me being cheap i am dam proud of it cause i work my ass off for my money and how do you think the rich get rich? by spending it or giving it all way...most are cheap lol

and my convo would prob with that way on the phone with them cause business is all about sales and negotiating and if they hang up on you during a negotiation then they shouldnt be in the business of selling something ... just no no no and move on rather then hang up if they cant reduce the price

and if a person came into the bank and said to give them rates half the amount of market i would look at there compensating factors and collateral income, assests, and debt to justify it and show them why rather then just tell them some bs story or hang up on them without a viable reason as to why i can or cant. btw i gave a 2.25% on a 30 year fixed conventional loan with ZERO closing costs and points to a recent customer and many others were in the 2.75% rate...those of you who are homeowners might have those rates on your home loan and those of you who have higher would prob kill for that rate <3

as far as tipping -_- if you suck you still get 10% for bring out the food and drinks ....still kinda stupid if you ask me to give anything if you suck that bad lol...generally i do 20% and if its badass service 30 to 40

as i said i never said he was wrong or that he cant do it...simply that i used to think of this guy as a savior and humanitarian for people with mental issues about there penis and what not and now i see him as just another doc doing a surgery for money

Keep in mind his other practices were likely more profitable... the PMMA in the penis thing used to just be only a portion of his services... I would hazard a bet that it has become most of what he does now. I\'d charge more as well if it was preventing me from doing more profitable practices.

If I remeber correctly, the starting price was $1500 and now it is $2500? That is a huge jump in price.

BUT, BUT, DR C says that his cost for the PMMA has gone up so \"A\" price increase is more than fair. Still, This is a business. I do not blame Dr C for his price increase. Everything goes up when demands go up, is it fair? yes and no but this life is not fair so we have to deal with it.

If one is not happy with the price, don\'t go for it.

For me, It was worth every penny and then some. After spending over $12k on the wonderful defunct elist silicone implant that caused me pain and suffering 2nd to none, so far PMMA with Dr C and his quality work have been great, for me at least......

But the same can be said of Dr Comacho Melo, yet you\'ve just had surgery with him! Even worse you got the wool pulled over your eyes by Dan Salas.

There was a huge argument over at the old PhalloBoards when we heard Dan Salas was trying to work with both Dr C and Dr Comacho-Melo. I even ended up calling Dan a pimp as I was so pissed off with him trying to get involved with those Dr\'s, as I knew it would lead to prices rocketing. Some people defended Dan and said he was a \"good guy\" and just offering a service. Yet here we are 2 years later and I was totally right about the impact him sticking his beak in would have. I\'m sure he is a good guy, but he\'s bad for this industry and he isn\'t needed and just ends up costing everyone money, you personally more than most, only you don\'t know it.

Before Dan came along Dr Comacho Melo was charging just $1500 for the lig cut. Now correct me if I\'m wrong, but isn\'t he now charging $4000 and did you a \"favor\" by standing by his original quote of $3000. Yet you still believe that poor old Dan doesn\'t earn anything from these surgeries and just hangs around Mexico for the hell of it! Get real!!! The truth is, just as I warned at the time, as soon as a surgical broker got involved the price more than doubled. You paid exactly double the price Dr C-M was charging back when Dr C was still charging $1500. Yet you complain about Dr C charging an extra $1000, but say nothing about your Dr, Camacho-Melo, charging an extra $2500 ($1500 in your case) and feel bad for Dan!

Not long after we discovered Dr C, Dan tried to start working with him and even advertised PMMA on his site, only he charged $2500 for it, rather than the $1500 Dr C charged. Don\'t you think it\'s a bit odd, that soon after this Dr C moved his priced up to $2500, but decided not to work with Dan? Dan showed him the demand was still there at a higher price. If you want to blame anyone for the price rises in TJ blame Dan Salas and stop feeling bad about not tipping him for giving you a lift. The guys cost you an extra $1500.