TOPIC: PMMA Ninja Turtle - Retraction Problems for GROWERS

When I turtle hard, my Flaccid is similar to HC\'s, although this effect (Turtling) does not happen nearly as often as before I had PMMA. I\'ve contemplated whether or not having a very mild \"buried penis\" (a topic I learned about through my chats with Hoddle) could be contributing to this pig-in-the-blanket & small Flaccid effect, and I will have it addressed in the future. Maybe a combination of some sort of \"tacking\" and/or lipo, and manual PE may improve my Flaccid, since I will probably not undergo lengthening surgery. I will say, however, that the pig-in-the-blanket look sure as hell beats my pre-PMMA Flaccid any day of the week.

As for now, I\'ve conceded well in advance the risk that my Flaccid may occasionally appear as a pig-in-the-blanket, and having smaller-than-average glans lends my penis to that aesthetic.

I\'m wondering if there is any effective treatment behind mitigating/blocking the physiological mechanism that makes a segment of men growers/turtlers. Maybe some kind of botox-like product? Or maybe, as I mentioned previously, a combination of tacking, lipo, manual PE, and in HC\'s case, even lengthening (which I probably wont do). I\'m all ears and will continue following this thread.

I totally agree with you Hoddle and Miracle the new collagen post- 30% conc. feels firm and rough so it will be better to use a lower conc. i.e. between 10%-20% .

If we look at the korean doctors and what they use for a conc. :-

- Only 20% PMMA Artecoll mixed with 70% crossed-linked dextran (LIPEN-10) or Lipen-8 for the shaft .

- But for the Glans they use only 15% PMMA Artecoll mixed with 85% crossed-linked dextran (LIPEN-P). N.B. they could easily make the 10% for the glans but they didn\'t I am sure they found that the 15% gives a better gain and esthetic result for the glans.

So I think these doctors tried many different conc.s of PMMA for the shaft and the glans and I assume they found the right one for each.

Hello, this is my first time posting. Thank you everyone for providing a community for this. In regards to this particular matter, its definitely seems like sizemic is right. Dr. C is catering to demand. My thought is that after some point, a large enough gain would likely produce the pig in a blanket effect for many people. The question is at what increase would likely cause this? I would imagine .5 to .75 inches is the max for many.

@HC
You mentioned that this was not an issue until the 3rd session. What kind of increase did you get for the first two sessions if you don\'t mind restating? This appears to be a limit for you at least, unless the 30% is the sole culprit.

Has anyone else found that after session one or two, they suddenly had the pig in a blanket effect?

@Hunk,

What were your Girth measurements pre-PMMA? What are your measurements now? How many cc\'s total?

The same effect would likely happen with big gains on a Grower no matter what % was used in my opinion.... PMMA tissue is thicker than normal tissue and I\'d bet would give the same effect regardless of percent used with the same gains (ie, 4 x 10% rounds vs. 1 x 30% rounds).

True, going into it at 4.5\" EG if I was told I\'d get 5.5\" EG and that was the limit I would have been happy with that. I remember pumping that big and thinking it was huge. Another issue is that there are other Doc\'s like Dr. N who do 30% only with big sessions. I think a lot of people here pointed to Dr. N\'s work as evidence that its ok for Dr. C to do the same type stuff. I agree though, if he was more stern in keeping to his original approach (enhancement vs. pure enlargement) there would be less issues here.

Hi Guys,


Many of you already know me. For others here, I have had 3 session of PMMA. I started out with all 10% and was amazed at the natural result, both Flaccid and Erect. I was so happy I would have stayed that way, had it not thinned down slightly after 10 months time.


My second session brought problems using 20% Metacryl. I had some serious clumping and an unnatural consistency with easily detectible rubbery areas on either side of my shaft. My Erect unit was however quite nice! And my Flaccid was natural looking, but only \"felt\" unnatural.


For my 3rd session, since I didn\'t want to chance any more issues, I stayed away from both 20% and from Metacryl. This wasn\'t a mistake, except that I wanted a thicker base...


To give me the desired Girth at the base, Dr C could have used 20% by mixing a syringe of 30% Linnea-Safe with one of 10% Linnea-Safe, but I was foolish and preferred it straight out of the syringe with no mixing. So he applied 30% Linnea-Safe to my base.


The aesthetic result was magnificent upon completion of the procedure and I was very happy. I went to the Marriott in Tijuana and spent several hours massaging, but I didn\'t know one was supposed to massage it so that the product would go downwards, towards the base. All I was worried about was keeping the surface smooth, so that I had none of the clumping like after session 2.


The next morning I returned to see Dr C for an inspection visit. I was quite proud, seeing it perfectly smooth the next day. But Wade got upset and said: \"You didn\'t massage properly and it didn\'t get into the base!\" I was still swollen and, from my vantage point above, I couldn\'t really see what he was saying. He said I might get a slight \"pig in a blanket\" result, but I figured that if it was slight, it wouldn\'t be too big an issue.


In fact, when semi-Flaccid, my unit looks quite nice. When Erect, aside from a thinning and a rather abrupt ending of the collagen near the base, it also looked very good. A lot better I thought than when I had my issues of large clumps after session 2. Aside form being able to detect the entire sheathing of my unit as being maybe an implant because it is so much more rigid than the rest of my organ, it is smooth and consistent in texture.


However, the issue I have is that whenever I am at rest, especially when Turtling, it actually retracts inside a thick roll of PMMA collagen making it look very freakish. When this first started to happen, a few weeks after session 3, a girl told me that I was uncircumcised. She shunned me for this and wouldn\'t listen to my explanations that I was cut. Before session 3 my Flaccid looked normal, though thicker.


Over the following weeks the collagen thickened and this issue became more severe, to the point that I resigned myself to taking drastic measures to solve the problem. I saved up a chunk of money, started to communicate with a clinic in Russia, and booked surgery to have my ligaments cut. This is something I had not planned to do, but I did so in hopes to gain Flaccid length so that I wouldn\'t have a PMMA NINJA TURTLE.


The photos posted here were taken today, one month after my ligament cuts. I also spent a month using an All Day Stretcher (ADS) to make my Flaccid as long as possible. One of the photos shows my Flaccid when it is NOT Turtling. You will see that getting my ligaments cut has not solved my problem! I don\'t know whether Dr C during my 4th session in June can find a solution?


Hunk Chunk
aka PMMA NINJA TURTLE