jlmb wrote: I talked to Dr. C and Wade about the roller idea and they said they use that on the face because there is bone underneath. They said the roller helps with irregularities against the facial bone structure as it has a base, but you wouldn\'t do it with the penis.
Thanks for checking with Dr C and Wade about this. There is still progress to be made on the post op uniformity of PMMA and it would be good to explore options further?
Also, has anyone already asked them if they\'d be disposed to experimenting with Silikon1000 for corrective purposes? Those of us who have significant voids between PMMA induced collagen growth might stand to benefit from this, and I for one would be willing to try just about anything plausible and providing hope to uniformize the final result with a smooth rather than a chunky surface...
Anyone here who is in touch with them and can bring this up, thanks for letting us know.
Bigben wrote: Are you guys now shills for loria (kidding). Seriously this is a bad idea and should be filed in the insane human experiments folder. Yes silicone is softer, but combining two dangerous fillers in the same location could only increase the odds of a long term complication. I know you are probably speaking hypothetically, but this is how these disasters are born. And I have not doubt there is a doctor willing to try it out on paying client.
I know it\'s not really the point you are making, but I don\'t think the material itself is relevant to the softness. It\'s the feel of the collagen that is produced and I think that had more to do with quantity per area. Each micro droplet of silicone is surrounded by collagen. I think if you had a similarly high concentration of silicone and PMMA the results would be the same.
Are you guys now shills for loria (kidding). Seriously this is a bad idea and should be filed in the insane human experiments folder. Yes silicone is softer, but combining two dangerous fillers in the same location could only increase the odds of a long term complication. I know you are probably speaking hypothetically, but this is how these disasters are born. And I have not doubt there is a doctor willing to try it out on paying client.
@Smartman, why use Silikon and not 6% or 2% PMMA for touch ups?. The reason the result is smoother can surely have nothing to do with the products themselves, but simply the amount or density of the collagen growth it stimulates. It makes no sense to me that plexi glass would cause collagen to be less smooth than silicone.
The scar in the links you show are corrected over several session, with tiny injections. If 5% PMMA was used of numerous sessions and in small amount, then the results would be the same, wouldn\'t it? I can\'t think of any reason why it wouldn\'t. We\'ve seen how much smoother 10% seems than 20%, so the same will surely be true of 6% and 2% concentrations.
@Mustang, that is correct, in the pic. there were 3 types of small steel rollers with 3 diff. cylindrical sizes. In another pic. shows how can these roller smoothen any irregularities of the injected filler (before+after).
Sure early usage of a roller will actually homogenize the carrier of the filler more than it evenly distribute the beads in the injected field (but surely better than massaging), the only way to know the answer for this is if Dr.C. can try it directly after the injection and then wrapping the penis with an elastic bandage (our forum can help Dr.C. to make a great study :- To compare the aesthetic results of pmma penile injections with and without the usage of this technique) ; imo it will decrease the chances of lumps and bigger size nodules development more than the minor irregularities.
@SO, I wish if Dr.C. or Wade can get this korean article and to have their opinion about it .
I will do my best to find the best way to get as much as possible the best aesthetic penile end result so imo the following points if they were followed we can get a better aesthetic results :-
1- Usage of a small steel roller early to homogenize the injected filler.
2- Elastic bandage.
3- The usage of a lower conc. i.e. 10% , we have found most of the unpleasant aesthetic results come from the 20%, but if someone looking at the beginning for more girth the 20% imo should be injected in the 1st two rds. but in the last two rds 10% should be used to smoothen the rough outer surface of the collagen .
4- Now this point imo is important (but I might be wrong); if we still get minor irregularities and roughness in the end stage (and I am sure we will get these minor issues with pmma) even if we tried all the above points , I was thinking about the usage of the micro-droplets technique of Silikon1000 for only the minor touch-ups, as we know with the brazilian pmma products we can easily get the volume (i.e. the girth) we want between 3-5 rds but the disadvantages of this pmma is its unpleasant aesthetic result but with the Silikon1000 micro-droplets injection\'s technique, it gives you a better aesthetic result than the pmma ( the new collagen feels much smoother and almost natural) but it will give you less gain.
So the Q. now :- Would it be a good idea to use Silikon1000 micro-droplets technique for the final minor touch-ups ??
IMO these micro drops if they were inserted (by a very expert doctor) between these irregularities and the small nodules of the pmma beads collagen it will improve the texture much better i.e. it will smoothen the outer surface of the rough pmma collagen.
Check these pic.s (before and after) the usage of micro-droplets Silikon1000\'s technique by an expert doctor (e.g. nose, scar, volume correction and acne scars) :-
After the Cialis, and my Dick looking huge, I have the extreme urge to rub one off, and that type of manipulation is hard to resist, but the effect of, as smartman describes, \"unequal forces,\" can force the product into uneven clumps, maybe even if careful.
It looks to me from the pic. I have seen the usage of a roller has more advantage than massaging directly post-injection before the beginning of the edema, in this technique imo the force over the injected filler is equally distributed and it smoothens any major or minor bulges and it looks much better than the unequal forces from our hand during massaging , then directly an elastic bandage should be used and esp at nighttime.
Hi I have received an e-mail from Dr. Du Geon Moon (that was very kind of him) he sent me his full article with pictures showing how he uses a roller directly post-injection to even the injected Dermal Filler and he still uses this technique till now,after that he uses an elastic bandage.I will try to ask SO to post it here for me.
Wouldn\'t a bandage be more effective with Artefil, than Metacril or Linea Safe? Surely it\'s more risky to apply any sort of pressure to a filler that sets quickly. If the bandage is too tight in one place, but sets quickly it could cause a dent. You could apply the bandage too tightly in one area and by the time you get off your flight the PMMA could be hard to manipulate.
The most experienced doctors in Glans and shaft girth enhancement by using only filler injection and who published papers about that (>10 years ago) and also who invented the \"Lipen-10\" filler are :- Dr. Je Jong kim and Du Geon Moon .
So they started with a temporary filler for shaft girth enhancement at the beginning then they shifted and invented a more permanenet filler \"Lipen-10\".
What I read about them they started to use these penile filler injection before 2003.
So i.e. they have a great experience in penile filler augmentation more than others and if they advised other doctors to use a roller to homogenize the injected temporary filler in its injected area to get the best esthetic result (I.e. I am sure before \"this technique post-injection\" they did not get a good esthetic results i.e irregularities or even lumps) so they must have modified their post-injection\'s instructions .
So imo if it is important to use it directly after a penile temporary filler (from their experience) ---> i.e. definitely it will be also more important to use it after a penile permanent filler.
I have sent an e-mail to Dr. Du Geon Moon asking him about this technique in comparison with massaging or wrapping ??
I spoke to Wade a week ago, and he has mentioned brainstorming with Dr. C on ways to reduce/mitigate Nodule formation in patients. He also said that it was nearly impossible to predict, because the nodules form after the procedure, and it\'s hard to monitor how effectively patients are following post-op protocol. And even then, is that enough?This roller idea could prove very beneficial, I\'ll run it by them next time we chat.
I had my fourth and hopefully final procedure yesterday. I flew home afterwords, so It was wrapped for approximately 10 hours before I got home. I gotta tell you, that the immediate results so far seem a lot better with doing this. I have been barely masssaging becuase I am finding very few lumps to massage out when I do. A roller sounds interesting as well.
At least somewhat like it.
I didn\'t read thru the pe gym thread yet. Am i blind or where exactly is beeing talked about the rollertechnique itself?
So the Koreans have standardized a method already to even out everything at its best ?
Do you have any more information on this rollerthing smarty ?