TOPIC: "Lipen-10" a korean pmma penile injection

supa wrote: Interesting. I wonder what Lemperle would think of this idea.

I was wondering the same thing. It would be ineresting to know if he has tested this stuff, as he has New Plastic.

Interesting. I wonder what Lemperle would think of this idea.

Will the Lipen-10 stick in its location and not move like New Plastic? Is there a danger of lodging the material with early sexual activity?

How\'s the Republic of China treating you smartman? I\'m actually on the mainland at the moment, but in all my trips I\'ve never been over to the island.
I hear great things from many people though, and hope to work a stop in somewhere.

oh my god just watched the videos and now i wish i hadn\'t hahaha. even if they do numb you i dont know if could ever get those images out of my head during the procedure. anyways, /It is nice to see other doctors doing this and branching out into new territory.

@ smartman I will certainly try and contact both Korean doctors when I\'m there. I\'m curious - when people started getting PMMA with Dr C. was there any evidence that the product was safe? Or was it more of a let\'s give it a go and see what the results are kind of approach? Do you think the risk factor is higher lower or similar in regards to people getting PMMA with Dr C back then and Lipen-10 now? I wish I was patient enough to wait 5+ years to see if it\'s safe, but unfortunately I\'m not. I\'ve been waiting and waiting and waiting and it\'s time for action.. Are granulomas dangerous? can you explain simply what it is? So the two negative factors of Lipen-10 procedure is because of the use of dextran which has a higher risk of granulomas and the use of needles which may cause emboli? OK Ill make sure to grill them about it to see what their response is and what evidence they can give to say it\'s safe lol. thanks again.

Hi Xtatik81,
It is a permanent product because it contains 20% pmma beads similar to any other pmma-products and 70% long lasting dextran, but it is too early to decide whether their product is good or not, the good thing about it there is no early drop in volume after injection and the gain is instant and also the flaccid length, but you will need touch ups later on after a long period.
If you ask me would I do it if I were in your position the answer is NO, because of the following reasons :-
1- Higher risk of Granulomas in cross-linked Dextran. 2- They use a sharp needle during injection (it could be they have great experience with this technique but still there is a chance of injecting some beads into the blood stream ---> emboli). 3- You need to wait for at least 5 yrs to see if this product is safe or not, in this case too short.
If you are going to Korea, I would have only a consultation with the doctors and ask them if you could have some references and to see the results after 1 yr at least, and about the chances of Granulomas after Dextran.
You could be of great help to our forum (being a Korean) you could get us more information about :-
1- Lipen-10, I have the contact of one of the doctor who is using this product :-
Du Geon Moon, MD, Ph.D Chief of Urology, Korea University Guro HospitalProfessor, Korea University College of MedicineDirector, Korea University Institute of Regenerative MedicineEditor-in-Chief, Korean Journal of Andrology Department of Urology, Korea University Guro Hospital#80, Guro-dong, Guro-ku, Seoul 152-703, KoreaTel: 82-2-2626-3201Fax: 82-2-2626-1321E-mail: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

2- I have mentioned in another thread where korean doctors (the 1st one in the world) used e.g. 7 different dermal fillers (including pmma- Artecoll) for glans enhancement and had great results without any complications (btw Dr. C. refuses to inject pmma in the glans because of an aesthetic issue and other doctors are afraid of necrosis ).
This is the korean study I have mentioned before :-
www.patentstorm.us/patents/6418934/fulltext.html
This study was done > 10 yrs ago, so the long-term results of this study (esp. pmma-Artecoll) should be known by now, this is the name of the inventor and his adress in korea, I will appreciate it if you can contact him and get more information about Artecoll injection in the glans (short- and long-term results and patients satisfaction) and to see the pic.s before and after :-
Sae-Hoon Chin
Address: #24-801, Sampoong Apt., 1685, Seocho-dong, Seocho-gu, 135-070, Seoul, KR

Hi All Long time reader 1st time poster here. @smartman - great find!! Do you know if the gains made from Lipen-10 is \"permanent\" like New Plastic? or less \"permanent\" due to different types of microspheres used? I\'ll be going to korea in the next month or so, definitely considering getting this procedure. Looking at the youtube videos and the date they were uploaded, seems like they\'ve been doing this in Korea for about a year? I may be wrong.. If the gains are true and is \"permanent\" like NewPlastic used by Dr C & the length gains are also true as stated in the published research paper, this seems like the better option by far. Plus being a Korean (living in Australia), it will be less daunting of a trip compared to mexico.

@void009+jimb,
Yes this is true they mentioned there will be an increase in length (2.3'1.4 cm) around 0.9\" (0.4\"-1.5\").

Yeah, I agree the before and after Flaccid shots look for the most part pretty great, I\'d like to see some Erect comparisons.
Sorry I misread your post, smartman.

From the before and after pics in the videos it seems there was also some decent length gains in the Flaccid state. Interesting new development, hope to hear good things about its long-term safety

Another great post Smartman! I did not know about that only thought they had experimented with the gland filler.

@jlmb,
I am sorry, I don\'t live in China and I have never been there.

Most of you know that the korean doctors did a lot of research in regard of penile girth enhancement and they were the 1st doctors in the world who did dermal filler glans injection and taught their technique to the others.
They use recently a product called \"Lipen-10\", the idea about this product is different than (Artefill+Artecoll which contain bovine collagen) and the brazilian products (NewPlastic+Metacrill which contain more - cellulose).
In this product they use two different types of microspheres one is permanent (20% PMMA beads) and the other one is a long-lasting volume augmentation (70% crossed-linked Dextran) and the rest 10% consists of hydroxypropyle- or sodium carboxymethylecellulose and saline or distilled water.

I am sure these korean doctors did a lot of research about the diff. pmma products (e.g. Artefill, Metacrill and NewPlastic etc.) and they found the main carrier materials in these products are absorbed quickly with early drop in the gained volume (e.g. -cellulose in NewPlastic hours-2 days and in Artefill bovine collagen after few weeks) so they were looking for a longer-lasting carrier which can have also a long lasting augmentation action (crossed-linked Dextran), when Lipen-10 product injected in the penis in one round only with a volume between 17-30 cc\'s can give you an increase in girth (1.25\"-2\") for a longer period, so with this product there is NO early drop in girth gain (as in Newplastic 6-10 days) so with this product the 2nd round will be after a long period.
So the advantage with this product :-
1- Cheaper 10-30 X than Artefill.2- The gain will be >90% of the injected volume from the start and you will maintain that gain for a longer period and there is no early drop of this gain. I.e. the interval period needed between each rd will be much longer than Artefill or NewPlastic.
They wrote a paper about this product and they have a paten application for it :-
www1.essm-congress.org/guest/AbstractView?ABSID=7422
The abstract :-


No.:PO-10 - PostersSession title:Penile reconstructive surgery006Tolerability and efficacy of newly developed penile injection of cross-linked dextran and polymethylmethacrylate mixture on penile enhancement: 6-months follow-up Won Ki LeeAuthor Je Jong KimCo-Author Du Geon MoonCo-Author Dae Yul YangCo-Author Sae-Chul KimCo-Author Objective
Cross-linked dextran and polymethylmethacrylate (PMMA) mixture (Lipen-10') is a newly developed tissue filler for soft tissue augmentation. The purpose of this study was to evaluate efficacy and tolerability of cross-linked dextran and PMMA mixture on penile enhancement.
Methods
This was a non-randomized, non-comparative multicenter study. Twenty adult males who wanted penile enhancement, between the ages of 20 and 70 years, were included in this study. Lipen-10' was injected into the subcutaneous tissue of the penile shaft, between Dartos fascia and Buck's fascia, using the fanning technique. The penile girth and length were measured with a caliper in the flaccid state, before and 1, 3 and 6 months after the injection. Any adverse events were also recorded during the trial.
Results
Mean injected volume of Lipen-10' was 23.73 ml (range 17 to 30 ml). The circumference increased by 3.7'1.2 cm (50.8 %, p