TOPIC: Heard of PMMA (Medical Grade) OR Dr Casavantes? [PART 2]

supa wrote: Electronic microscopic images of Newplastic attached below (S. Cohen, Aesthetic Surgery Journal 2010 30:438).

How are we certain that the New Plastic photos you posted aren\'t from the pre-selection process?
And if they are post-selection process, then is it possible (depending on the frequency of irregular PMMA) one could conceivably find a similar \"snapshot\" among Artefill beads? I\'m wondering this because you see no such irregularities in the New Plastic photos in the link here ( www.biomedical.med.br/site/en/processo.asp and has noticeable differences in both smoothness and density than the pictures you provided (at least from what\'s discernible at those scales).
I should note (though the text is real small), it appears it has been zoomed 500x (correct me if I\'m mistaken), and the length unit is 100 micron.

I am also considering an adjunct to the DHT gel combined with DMSO: it is the gel form of TriMax which itself is an injectible combination of:
AlprostadilprostaglandinPapaverinevasodilatorPhentolaminealpha blocker
In gel form TriMax-Gel could be applied at the same time as Andractim DHT cream along with DMOS and this mixture would be especially capable of penetrating the shaft and glans throughout all of their structures. This might have an added benefit of placing the ingredients in the central soft tissue structure leading up to the glans, (which presumably wouldn\'t be reached by a shaft base injection into one of the two lateral veinous structures) ensuring a more coherent hormonal response throughout all bodies of this organ. This topical application of TriMax-Gel (with or without DHT) could presumably be done instead of or in addition to a Erectile Disfunction daily injection of TriMax injectible or another ED injection at the base... FWIW
HC

Forum members with medical/chemistry background please look at the legends of the EM images I have attached in previous posts.I have noticed the following:The Artefill beads in picture A of the first attachment look bigger than the Newplastic beads in picture B of the second attachment. But if you read the legend at the bottom of the pictures, you notice that the picture A of the first attachment (Artefill) has been magnified 400 times whilst the picture A of the second attachment (Newplastic) has been magnified 250 times. Furthermore, the length unit in Artefill picture A is 100 micron whereas the length unit in Newplastic picture A is 200 micron. They also differ in length between them in the legend (check this with a ruler), however the width of the two pictures is the same. You need to be a bit cautious and reproportion in order to compare.

Hi Guys,
I\'m calling forth your advice regarding the compatibility of PMMA injections with ulterior NATURAL growth enhancement. I am starting to undertake intensive hormonal treatments associated with directly injected vascular enhancers. This means that once I get my first session of PMMA and its associated collagen buildup my penis might still grow a good bit if the testimony seen below is valid.
phalloboards.websitetoolbox.com/post/sho...9224459&postcount=11
I am starting to take Chorionic Gonodotropin (better known as Pregnyl) at 3000 IU per week injected under the pelvic skin. I plan to also take a strong Erectile Dysfunction injection daily directly into the penis - ouch! Add to that DHT with enhanced penetration using DMSO as a carrier and there is a small chance of actually experiencing noteworthy penis growth by chemical means. Wouldn\'t the collagen strands generated by PMMA, with their harder buidup, tend to resist growth pressure not so much longitudinally but mostly of girth? The last thing I want is for PMMA induced collagen layers to PREVENT harmonious penis englargement and reduce my girth potential ? ! ?
HC

Electronic microscopic images of Newplastic attached below (S. Cohen, Aesthetic Surgery Journal 2010 30:438).

Electronic microscopic images of Artefill attached below (S. Cohen, Aesthetic Surgery Journal 2010 30:438).

Dd71, I agree with your plan to have the 10% concentration. It\'s what I would do too.

The report I have seen also mentions the formation of a thin capsule around the PMMA which should help to prevent migration.

@sparticus
What do you think about using ArteFill or Radiesse instead of New Plastic (ignoring the cost/impermanence factors)? Do you have the same concerns about these materials?

If you don\'t think New Plastic was shown to be phagocytized please read ALL the posted studies on this forum and on forum 1.0.

As I have stated in the past, please take anything Lemperle states with a grain of salt.
With that said, the studies posted here recently and others I posted in the past show the potential for PMMA, more specifically New Plastic, to migrate. If a substance can be phagocytized it can migrate.

Im prob going for my appt. July 22 (work permitting) ! Im very nervous but more excited. I asked wade what dr.C would suggest to obtain the best esthetic and above all SAFE result from PMMA injections. He said he was glad that I asked because most patients just want the maximum amount possible despite the look/complications. He reccomended that for the first treatment I receive 10% concentration for the entire procedure. Wade says that this almost eliminates nodules and bumps, and allows the body to get used to the PMMA. The Girth added may not be as much as others, but it will increase and the second treatment will go much easier. Wish me luck boys

@capital:
Yes I think thats why he used a bovine collagen and this collagen will prevent any possibility of migration of the beads (I think he ment local migration i.e. around the injected area and not distant migration) and hold them in the injected area for around 3 wks till your granulation tissues and the connective tissues take over.
He mentioned that cellulose (in Metacrill and Newplastic) will be resorbed within 1 day ( so there is a great difference between it and the bovine collagen which will be completely resorbed within 3 wks) .
What I read if a doctor injects small microns beads than the diameter of the vessels you can have distant migration (e.g. lymph nodes,lung,liver or spleen) .
e.g. :- (1) Venules in the skin are 20-30 microns in diameter so the beads have to be 40 microns . (2) Sub-mucosal plexus in the lower esophagus and the urethra are upto 80 microns in diameter so the size of the beads to be used in this area are 125 microns.
www.giejournal.org/article/S0016-5107(10....org/article/8886492
If the treating doctor ignore these points , you can have distant migration of the beads
I have asked Lemperle these Q\'s about Newplastic injection and I will inform you his answers :-
1- What will happen to the beads in the period between ( 2nd - 21st day) post Newplastic injection (as we know there will be no more a carrier for the beads in this time) ? Is there any possibility of migration (local and distant) in this period ?
2- Any precautions should we take ? i.e. Is wrapping will be enough only for 1-2 days ? You have told me we have to wrap our penis for 1-2 wks as far as I understood I think you were talking about when the carrier is collagen and not cellulose .
3- Can be the cause of irregularities or unevenness (in the final result i.e. 6 wks) due to the usage of cellulose and not using the bovine collagen as a carrier ?? ( lets say the doctor\'s technique is excellent and he use the same concentration ) so is there any advantage in using bovine collagen in regard of the final result ?

@smartman: thanks a lot for all this precious info you got from Dr. Lemperle. Even if he might be biaised he is without doubt one the most relevant sources of information for us.
So according to him, migration could only occur during the first 3 weeks after injection right? And the effect would be immediate, no long term complications are possible in terms of migration?
I would also be interested to have Dr. C\'s idea about that (even if I guess he did not analyse his product himself..)

Using the ArteFill price Lemperle quoted to smartman ($450 for 0.8 ml), this means that getting 20 ml of ArteFill (as opposed to New Plastic) would cost $11,250. This is a lot of money - but it isn\'t out of the range of what some people are paying for surgical options, and some patients may have more money to spend, or be willing to get a loan for something like this. I emailed Dr C to see if it is possible to use ArteFill instead of New Plastic (also asked about Radiesse), and will post back if I hear anything.