TOPIC: still no pmma injector in europe?

hi all, is there any injector/clinic that offers PMMA in europe? i've noticed dr. n. was doing something in the past but she doesn't have great reputation apparently. anyone else?

Not to my knowledge. Metacrill was the Brand that was available Europe however I believe that has been discontinued.

The closest alternative would be Ellanse, and while is supposedly "non-permanent," many reports show it is VERY long lasting, so much so that within the scope of an adult's remaining sexually active lifetime, it is almost "permanent" (or at the very least, very slowly breaks down over many years).

Dr. Horn out of Brussels performs it, you'd want to reach out to Androfill to inquire.

the info around Ellanse is very confusing tbh. could you please elaborate what exactly you mean by very long lasting? it says "up to" 4 years everywhere, but indeed, i've seen some people reported here that it did not degrade even after the fifth year. do we have any case where it actually degraded? are the types of complication same with PMMA or less dangerous? is it recommended for the newbies?

lateinse wrote: the info around Ellanse is very confusing tbh. could you please elaborate what exactly you mean by very long lasting? it says "up to" 4 years everywhere, but indeed, i've seen some people reported here that it did not degrade even after the fifth year. do we have any case where it actually degraded? are the types of complication same with PMMA or less dangerous? is it recommended for the newbies?

Ellanse and PMMA generate Girth much the same way, the main difference is that the PMMA microspheres are permanent and not degradable by your body, whereas the microspheres found in Ellanse are. However, the 1 & 2 year Ellanse versions were reportedly lasting well past the manufacturer's date, forcing them to take the 3 & 4 year versions off the shelf. It appears that the collagen associated with Ellanse is more robust and longer lasting than expected (likely being similar, if not identical to that of PMMA-induced collagen).

This is great news for penile patients, but not such great news for people who expected temporary gains, like in the face in those who are aging. In other words, there are different types of collagen the body produces, and the manufacturer of Ellanse underestimated its life expectancy when used as a Dermal Filler.

The complication associated with Ellanse are likely comparable to that of PMMA, including aesthetic irregularities (especially in uncircumcised men), and the much more rare foreign born granuloma (which are treatable).

hello bro do you have any info on how PMMA feels after sufery does it feel natural

thanks for this great response!

regarding the complications, do you know if the post-op care is good for the first weeks, is there still a chance to have the complications all of a sudden after some months or years? have you seen such example?

also, you say granuloma is treatable. what are the untreatable complications? what is the solution in case of nodules etc?

lastly, i am planning to buy the subscription that allows me to see the images, but do you think it is noticable for other people when they see someone with Ellanse or PMMA in a Flaccid state?

lateinse wrote: thanks for this great response!

regarding the complications, do you know if the post-op care is good for the first weeks, is there still a chance to have the complications all of a sudden after some months or years? have you seen such example?

also, you say granuloma is treatable. what are the untreatable complications? what is the solution in case of nodules etc?

lastly, i am planning to buy the subscription that allows me to see the images, but do you think it is noticable for other people when they see someone with Ellanse or PMMA in a Flaccid state?

When it comes to granulomas, between the Clinics and Member posts on the Forums, they seem exceedingly rare based on reports. If they happen, they are often described as a larger-than-usual Nodule, notably hard/firm, and often comes out of nowhere (as opposed to nodules that were clearly a result of the distribution of filler post-op). Yes, it is possible for the onset of a granuloma to occur well after the procedure. The good news is that there is no reason to believe they affect the function of the penis and are treatable. Generally, corticosteroids + time are used as treatment.

Nodules are very different and ought not to be conflated with granulomas. These are aesthetic irregularities created by either an abnormal distribution of filler (thus the clumping of matter leading to a Nodule), your skin's propensity to adapt to dermal fillers, or a mix of both. These are much easier to treat, depending on the size and how many there are. The vast majority of patients will require a subsequent for an almost inevitable necessity of "touch-ups," no matter how skilled the Injector -- this is where nodules can be spotted & corrected.

I should note that uncircumcised men do have a higher propensity for aesthetic irregularity regardless of filler from my observations. That doesn't mean you can't get it done as an uncut guy, but that some men do consider adult-Circumcision before pursuing this endeavor.

As for your last question, generally if you don't overfill and go for reasonable gains, you'll usually look passable in both Flaccid and Erect states. If you turtle a lot, you may especially want to avoid over-filling -- while dermal fillers do improve Flaccid hang, your penis will still want to turtle, and overfilling can create the "pig-in-the-blanket" effect in shorter, hard-retracting men that have a lot of Dermal Filler in them.