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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 3 weeks ago #1308713338

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I’m considering PhalloFILL after p-long. Would you guys recommend PhalloFILL? Has anyone had good results? Was it painful?

What happens in a couple of years after getting it - does the penis start to look weird/clumpy/defirmed?

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 3 weeks ago #1308713340

Well it’s a moderately new procedure, but still established. They use HA not PMMA to maintenance treatments will be needed on occasion ( probably every couple of years). I’m a new client and in the early phase of 1st treatment ( 1 week post). But even now it looks and feels natural ( I’m going for round 2 in august to meet me personal goals. There are a few others here with longer duration on theirs and the folks at PhalloFILL will be happy to answer any questions you have . Upside of HA is that any lumpy areas are easily treated by dissolving or filling as needed.
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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713354

phalloguy100 wrote: I’m considering PhalloFILL after p-long. Would you guys recommend PhalloFILL? Has anyone had good results? Was it painful?

What happens in a couple of years after getting it - does the penis start to look weird/clumpy/defirmed?


That's actually a good strategy. Had P-Long existed prior to my filler injections (over a decade ago), I would have done that first. Max out what I can do "organically" then whatever bit of size I didn't hit that I wish I hit could be topped off with filler.

Yes PhalloFILL is a network of Clinics that use an effective brand of Hyaluronic Acid (HA) to add volume to your penis (don't expect any length). Technically all the providers in the network are independent of the actual Dallas Location; they use the branding of PhalloFILL because PhalloFILL provided them with the requisite training and data to start providing injectable Girth enhancement.

The procedure itself isn't painful, other than a couple of small local anesthetic pricks (and that really isn't even painful, but you asked so I answered). You'll be numb and awake and won't feel a thing. I'm not sure PhalloFILL's typical procedure duration (I'm sure it varies Doctor to Doctor) but these types of procedures usually don't take more than an hour from the moment you put on the clinical gown and the time you get back fully dressed.

HA is technically a temporary filler, meaning it will not stay in your body forever (retention rates varies person-to-person). Eventually some of the HA will be reabsorbed by the body, and that's when you may experience either a reduction in size or minor aesthetic irregularities. This is when you go for a top-off appointment, which will require much less volume of HA as your first procedure, because all they are doing is filling you back up (like getting a car tire back to its factory pressure).

While there are permanent options as well, the benefit of HA is that to some degree it can be reversible (especially if its early on and you were not overfilled). It's also not permanent so if you aren't pleased with your results (like a regrettable tattoo scenario), at least you know it won't be around forever. Some argue it has the best filler safety profile, given that Hyaluronic Acid is a naturally occurring substance in your body. Medical manufactures realized you can cross-link them to act as dermal fillers, here we are today.

P-Long + PhalloFILL is a stellar plan. I can only recommend the Dallas Location as they are the actual PhalloFILL company, all other locations are more like "affiliates." That said, they received training and many of them are Urologists, well equipped to deal with the Phallus on a medical level, so if one of their locations happens to be close by, I'd definitely consider that as well. Good luck!
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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713359

I looked into them as they have several convenient locations and one in my area. They def seem like a good operation with good credibility.

I'm just not a big fan of them only doing 4-5 units per visit. They use the term unit which I'm guessing is the same as milliliter or cc. Someone correct me if 4 units at PhalloFILL doesn't equate to 4ml. You'll have to go through two recover periods just to get 10ml. Yes, your Dick isn't as beat up from only 5ml but it's still beat up. You're still doing a lot of trauma to it. You'll need to wait a good amount of time before you go back to get another 5ml.

I don't understand why they won't do 10-12 in one visit. It's also more expensive than other options, and won't last as long. You'd want to make sure you know what type and brand of HA you're getting. Then do some research and compare it with other types and brands of HA. I really think deciding what filler you want in you is the first step. I wouldn't pick a clinic just because their location was convenient if they didn't have the filler I wanted. There are hybrid fillers now which incorporate HA and plastic microspheres that aren't permanent. Don't rely on the the reps from any clinic to give you all the information you seek. You won't get a lot of time to speak with the doctor. Most communication I'm guessing will be through staff members who deal with patients. Those staff members probably aren't reading PhalloBoards. They are mostly educated on the products and methods that clinic specifically does. They aren't going to be experts on fillers in general. Any question regarding other options will be answered in a way that suits what the clinic does.
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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713361

PhalloFILL answered most of the questions in the provider thread, search PhalloFILL and look for their title to read the threads. They cover what a unit is (1.2 ml) what they use and why (versa) and things like event issues, and gravity/compressabily of filler. One of the reasons I went with them was the openness and customer service.

So 20units x 1.2 ml 24 ml

I can say one week post no bruising, is noticeably thicker , and feels good so far, this was with initial round 1 of 6 units ( the doc decides how may based on anatomy , hang, length , etc. 4-5 is normal , 7-8 is the high end.
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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713363

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Thank you everyone!

I was actually very impressed with the affiliate Urologist in my area. He called me on a weekend and answered a lot of my questions. I’m having a consultation/visit to transfer my TRT care to him and to learn more about the procedure.

Now, a couple if you mentioned that it feels “natural.” Does your penis still feel hard when Erect, or more spongy than before the procedure? What about the feeling during sex - did it change your sensation along the shaft at all?

Has anyone had HA with exosomes at the same time? And why?

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713374

Thanks, but my criticism stems from this information not being listed on their website. It doesn't make sense for PhalloFILL to send clients hunting on PhalloBoards in order to get relevant information. Astonishingly, they even have a FAQ section but none of the questions simply involve, "What filler do you use?". This doesn't make sense to me. Also, I'm not sure if you knew this, but their term of "units" is different than other accepted variations and uses. There is no way for a prospective patient to understand what PhalloFILL deems a "unit" without doing some sort of research. That doesn't make sense. Anyone familiar with syringes knows 100 units is commonly referred as 1 ml. So, its pretty confusing to all of a sudden be using "units" in a manner less common place. If I'm having trouble finding this supposed information on PhalloBoards, how do you think the average prospective client is going to find it?

But furthermore, I disagree that they explain why they use those fillers over filers which incorporate HA and CaHa or PMMA. Please send me a link or direct me more specifically. The
"provider thread" ? I don't see a thread titled this. I also don't see anywhere where they explain why they do so little in one procedure vs what other clinics do. If this information is on here, please tell me specifically where it is because I can't find it. If the doc decides on how many based on several factors, why can't they just say that? My point is, they are forcing the patient to contact them for more information which could easily be communicated on their website. We have no way of verifying the legitimacy of what people are being told over the phone.

Imagine if someone had a website in which you can order high end vacuum cleaners. But, in order to find out which vacuum cleaners they're selling, you have to call them and talk with them. Any sensible consumer would see this is a stale, obviously calculated sales tactic.

In addition this is what PhalloFILL posted on this forum: There is no social downtime or recovery. You can return to normal activities the same day

The above statement is very disingenuous. Anyone who ever got their penis filled knows that normal activity cannot be returned to the same day. I'm quite astonished by the gall PhalloFILL has here. No doctor doing this procedure would allow you to run 6 miles the same day as the procedure, ride a horse, weight lift, go hiking, go swimming, snowboarding, skiing, etc. What do they deem "normal" activity? Again, more questions having to be answered else where due to unnecessarily vague statements.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713377

While I agree that PhalloFILL could and probably should consolidate their information on their provider thread here, if you search for user name PhalloFILL it’s probably an hour of reading to get the answers you’re looking for.

I know I read hundreds of not thousands of posts here on the boards to get a better understanding of enhancement and the fillers used, which caused me to decide on HA to start as it is reversible.

I wanted to see how folks and providers answered one another, and how providers addressed issues with clients . I know speaking with Ben , Doc. Clavell and others on the PhalloFILL team when I closed in on them as a one of the top options for me was enlightening and I got replies as late as 10pm to texts with questions and a follow up usually the next day checking if it was clear or if I had further questions.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713378

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Dude, go watch their live streams. The owner Will answered that question. He said it would be more advantageous for them as a business to inject more; however, they get much more consistent results by injecting about 1.2mL per Inch of shaft per session. Which averages out to 5-6 'units' per session.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713380

They should just leave the decision up to the client. I think it's an odd practice saying we won't inject 10ml in one session.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713382

Plenty of other providers that will pump as much into your Dick as you want at once.

PhalloFILL just isn’t one of them. Personally I’m happy with a more conservative approach to my member. I suppose if you’re packing 8-10 inches Flaccid they will give you 10 units at once (12ml). I’m not that gifted so it was 6 units for me (7.2ml).

Best of luck to you !

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713390

Hyperbol wrote: They should just leave the decision up to the client. I think it's an odd practice saying we won't inject 10ml in one session.


I respectfully disagree. If you aren't a fan of their discretion in this matter, go to another provider, it's that simple. It's like certain fine dining restaurants, the Chef simply will not allow for modifications of their original recipes because the end result will not be what was originally intended (and quality and flavor may suffer from such modifications). Strange analogy sure, but if PhalloFILL believes incremental increases are most successful, it's a "take-it-or-leave-it" situation. What's there to complain about when there are numerous other qualified HA providers out there?

And there is no mystery that injecting smaller volumes over multiple sessions is likely to yield more natural results, this lesson was learned from FFT surgeries over the 90s, 2000's, and early 2010's.

Lastly, most ethical Clinics have limits. Avanti Derma won't go over a certain amount depending on the length of your shaft, it just so happens that PhalloFILL is considerably more conservative in this regard. If it still remains "odd" to you, just continue looking elsewhere, it's that simple.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713421

That's fine, I'd rather not go somewhere that's run by a guy who essentially tries to scare people from getting PMMA. And who is also giving out PMMA misinformation. Below is a review of a video featuring William Moore, PhalloFILL's founder. It's a video posted on their website titled, "Girth Enhancement 101: Understanding the basics with live AMA".

The title sounds like you're going to get a great education on the basics of Phalloplasty. But instead, the video is more of a worship session of the apparent god filler that is Hyaluronic Acid. It's main purpose is to prop up HA in order to increase PhalloFILL's client base. They are trying to sell the clinic. I get that. The video is on their website. But instead of simply praising and talking about the benefits of HA vs other permanent or semi-permanent options, Moore takes it to another level by deliberately giving misleading information about other fillers to the public. This doesn't make Moore look good. Your credibility goes down when you start enacting obvious mischaracterizations and implying falsehoods.

Moore says, in regards to PMMA, "This is basically plexiglass. PMMA is basically melted down to create plexiglass...it was originally created in the 1930s and it was called 'bone cement'...it's not made to be a Dermal Filler, it's being used off label as Dermal Filler in my opinion."

No, it's not "basically plexiglass". That's a horrible, misleading description of today's PMMA. Moore is intentionally trying to steer his patients away from this filler option which has been proven to be safe in the human body. He fails to mention that it has been FDA approved as a Dermal Filler. He further describes PMMA as 'acrylic beads' instead of microspheres.

I think what he meant to say is that PMMA wasn't created to be a Dermal Filler. Because obviously it is being made as a Dermal Filler and it's FDA approved to be one in the face. In his opinion, it's being used "off-label". So in Dr. Moore's opinion, the FDA has approved Bellafill to be used off-label in the face meaning it has an intended use somewhere else in the body? That's not true. His opinion that's it's being used off-label is simply wrong. Quite a bold opinion. What's ironic is that, to my knowledge, not one Dermal Filler brand has said that Phalloplasty is one of their intended uses. Thus, he's using HA off-label in the penis.

He said, "More times than not, it's not done correctly." I'd like to see him say this Dr. Casavantes'. Quite the shot taken here and there are several shots taken at Dr. C throughout. So anyone thinking about going to Avanti or Dr. Rupeka, most likely it won't be done correctly according to Dr. Moore. This is interesting because I'm not sure how many penises he's actually seen from Avanti, Dr. Rupeka or the other other providers of PMMA for the penis.

Not once does he mention PMMA builds your own collagen, thus making it sound like it's the 'plexiglass' or the 'beads' that is giving you all the Girth.

What's also interesting is that Moore, when describing the different types of fillers to his patients, leaves out Ellanse as an option.

He says, "There's four (fillers used in the penis), there's Hyaluronic Acid, liquid silicon, PMMA, and occasionally we see some Radiesse but that's all of them."

That's not all of them. Someone only relying on this 101 course would have no idea that PCL, aka Ellanse, exists. He also doesn't mention the existence of hybrid fillers.

He didn't list only FDA cleared fillers because he mentions liquid silicon. He mentions silicon isn't FDA cleared and recommends not using it for reasons talked about on this board and elsewhere for years. So the fact that Ellanse isn't FDA cleared doesn't really make sense when trying to come up with a reason why he didn't mention it.

After he makes PMMA sound horrible, he then immediately mentions Radiesse and says, "that is a Dermal Filler that IS FDA cleared...", implying that PMMA isn't. But PMMA is cleared in the face as we know. How can you rely on someone that is giving information out like this? Either he doesn't know PMMA is FDA cleared or he is purposely hiding that fact.

Moore says, "If you have a complication and something moves with a permanent filler, you have to go through a de-gloving process."

This isn't true. If you want it removed you have to go through with it. But you don't have to remove it. You can fix irregularities in other ways. Moore also gives way too much credit to the reversibility of HA, saying that you can inject the enzyme and go "right back to the way that you were before you started the procedure". A more accurate explanation would be that this is ideally what happens. But we all know it doesn't always work out that way. It's not like the HA breaks down perfectly every time.

He again implies PMMA is not FDA cleared and also acknowledges 30% or 10% mixtures, completely ignoring the use of 20% in the US.

This is obviously an informational video that's designed to serve PhalloFILL and to not give accurate information on the different types of dermal fillers. Again, I don't blame them for trying to make themselves and HA look good to a certain extent. I just don't think it's right to take advantage of uneducated clients. This forum should act as a check for these clinics. I personally think they should consider our advice as to how they should approach consumers.

Lastly, no where on their website do they mention the types of HA they use. I do not get this. It's ironic because in the video they repeatedly emphasize the importance of knowing what you're injecting into your penis. So you'd think that conveying what HA they're using clearly to potential customers would be of high importance but for some reason it's like a big secret. PhalloFILL isn't the only office that does this.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713422

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Well, I'm actually very UNIMPRESSED by the PhalloFILL Urologist in my area - Dr. Harb. The staff were horrible. I changed my schedule around, got childcare lined up, and took time off work to drive an hour and a half to the clinic - just to be turned down at the window because THEY made the "wrong" type of appointment. And they got pretty defensive and rude, leaving me no choice but to leave without being seen.

So much for PhalloFILL I guess.

It's hard to find clinics for this kind of thing in Michigan.

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PhalloFill or not to fill? 9 months 2 weeks ago #1308713423

If I were you I’d focus 100% on the p long protocol then worry about filler . If gains continue to increase as dr B has suggested they will then you may not want filler. If p long had been around in 2021 I would definitely have tried it first !

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