Hyperbol wrote: Honestly, I think we really need to push for some sort of consumer review board on this topic. It's a joke that consumers are bombarded by conflicting information.
This forum effectively acts as a consumer review board on the topic. You have to remember how niche this topic is, there is a very good chance your Family Practice doctor has no idea what we're talking about.
I also don't nececssarily believe there is conflicting information for the most part, we know what PMMA is and what it does and we have been following it (including myself who has had it in me since 2011).
Hyperbol wrote: 1. Bellafill claims it lasts up to five years and that's how most derm clinics are advertising the product. I do not understand this. There is some real disconnect with communicating PMMA efficacy to people.
I don't understand Suneva's (the manufacturer) position on this either, although I have a strong hunch that it likely is one (or both) of these reasons:
(1) In the U.S., filler permanancy has never been popular among Cosmetic Clinics for a variety of reasons, including its denouncement by a famous Dermatologist (Dr. Klein) many years ago. You could argue that permanency eliminates repeat bussiness (think Botox for example), or you could argue that some Doctors find the idea of something permanent unsettling (which is in fact true for some). I theorize that Suneva rather not advertise its permanence, but rather advertise its "long-term appeal
" in hopes of driving business to those who are otherwise risk-averse.
(2) Although I have no way of proving this, I wonder if their trials prior to FDA approval had up to 5 years of data, allowing them to say as much without having to admit permanency. Just thinking aloud, getting Suneva to confirm or deny this would probably not be realistic.
If this is the conflicting info you are referring to, then I wouldn't call it conflicting, but rather inaccurate. We all know PMMA's longevity, demonstrably and unequivocally. PhalloBoard's member GSXR first posted about his progress report circa 2010-2011 (he still remains in touch with me), so we know that it lasts at the very least, 13~ years with zero sign of size-reduction. I have yet to see a guy show up to the forums, my PMs, or my Email inbox showing me loss of size, much less making the claim.
Hyperbol wrote: 2. Gather a group of doctors, physicians and patients from around the world and discuss the differences between Linnea Safe and Bellafill.
That's what we're doing. It's only until recently that penile Bellafill picked up in popularity in the U.S., in part due to recent reports showing its relative success. This may explain the limited amount of content in that regard, but it will only continue to grow now that we have more Bellafill providers represented here. The two published studies on particle sizes of both fillers are in the same range, the range necessary to induce neocollagenisis, and thus permanence. The only difference are the carriers, which in it of themselves play no long-term role in your size as they are eventually broken down your body.
Also, Linnea Safe is almost exclusively in Mexico & Brazil, and most Bellafill providers are not going to have much information on it, nor are they likely going to advocate its use as it isn't an (American) FDA-approved product. This forum is largely patient/user driven, so it's on us to investigate. The reality is that Research & Development funding by Universities, Pharmacies, and Medical Device companies are not being allocated to penis enlargement (and if anything, allocated to penile injury and sexual wellbeing instead). If you are a consumer in this arena, you're in the wild west to some degree. Fortunately, we're much farther along than we were 10 & 20 years ago respectively, and we have more information at our fingertips than ever.
We have patient testimony, Doctor insight, and the occasional studies & articles to help make an informed decision. The PhalloBoards plays a part in that. Here are some things you can check out for starters:
Linnea Safe https://www.scielo.br/j/jbpml/a/gHYhLZvHyZ8pDWHYKBWFKfK/?lang=en
As you can see, Bellafill purports a 30-50 micron range and Linnea Safe a 36-43 micron range, both effectively in the same hemisphere of what I'd guess you'd call the "phagocytosis threshold
", or in other words, large enough not to be broken down or taken away or re-absorbed. Bellafill has a bovine carrier and Linnea Safe a gel-like carrier, the only difference being the window of time it takes your body to break those fillers down (while your body creates new collagen).
Hyperbol wrote: 3. Bring phalloplasty via injectible fillers to the forefront. Why is Bellafill not supporting it's use in the penis but yet sells it's product to doctors using it specifically for this purpose? People undergo all sorts of cosmetic procedures with all sorts of side effects yet the scientific community still sees this as no no. You would never be able to go to Bellafill and ask about it's effects in the penis. They would stop the conversation. We have to get past this shit somehow.
The stigma remains strong with penises unfortunately. It's the one part of the body that is the quickest to get flagged on YouTube, Social Media, etc. My original PhalloBoards PayPal account got banned because apparently my website was too PENIS for their liking.
Once you realize Corporate America and mainstream marketing consider anything phallic of high risk, you'll see why these manufacturers aren't necessarily clamoring that Doctors do it. I will say this though, through my backchannels, I know that these Filler Brands are starting to take notice, and have started to reconsider their attitude toward penile enhancement.
So perhaps in time, attitutes change, we'll see more coverage & info from these manufucterers as it pertains to penile enhancement. .