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TOPIC: Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing!

Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 5 months 7 hours ago #1308710411

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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 2 months 1 day ago #1308711563

Any idea if the prices have changed, not that we are past March 2023?
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 4 weeks ago #1308711610

Keith5575 wrote: Any idea if the prices have changed, not that we are past March 2023?


The Brochure should be accurate till the next brochure publication, so what you see in that link above should be good for the forseeable future.
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711675

Thank you for the insight. In your opinion would you choose Bellafil or Linnea Safe?
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711679

Keith5575 wrote: Thank you for the insight. In your opinion would you choose Bellafil or Linnea Safe?


They're both PMMA with quite comparable microsphere sizes (which is an important characteristic), so the real tie-breaker is whether or not you prefer to stay in the States or travel abroad. I'd say if you are in the Midwest or East Coast, Bellafill makes more sense (more qualified providers in those regions). If you are in the Southwest or West Coast, Linnea Safe (by way of Mexico) makes more sense.

I think of it logistically, since you are going to likely need mulitple appointments to both achieve your gains and attain a uniform look, you'll want to make the travel process as manageable as possible.

If travel, logistics, and budget of are no concern to you, then I'd reach out to all the PMMA providers in the Physician Directory and have consultation performed to determine which Clinic you believe is the best fit.

For Linnea Safe you have:
Avanti Derma


For Bellafill you have:
Dr. Nanda (Ohio)

Dr. Rupeka (Ohio)

Dr. Shafer (NYC)

Dr. Carney & Dr. Morganstern (Atlanta, GA)

When it comes to permanent fillers, I would not trust anyone who doesn't specialize in male enhancement and/or has been vetted here, Sponsor or not. I remember one guy who had PMMA performed by someone I've never heard of, and he proclaimed it was the worst decision he'd ever made. These are permanent fillers folks, just like you wouldn't want an amateur doing your tattoo, you certainly don't want someone inexperienced injecting your one & only manhood.
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711692

Thank you, that’s great insight. The logistics are a factor, but not the primary factor. Efficacy is number one. If the choice came down to either product,in your opinion, which would be the most effective with the fewest side effects? Bellafil or Linnea Safe?
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711696

Honestly, I think we really need to push for some sort of consumer review board on this topic. It's a joke that consumers are bombarded by conflicting information.

1. Bellafill claims it lasts up to five years and that's how most derm clinics are advertising the product. I do not understand this. There is some real disconnect with communicating PMMA efficacy to people.

2. Gather a group of doctors, physicians and patients from around the world and discuss the differences between Linnea Safe and Bellafill.

3. Bring Phalloplasty via injectible fillers to the forefront. Why is Bellafill not supporting it's use in the penis but yet sells it's product to doctors using it specifically for this purpose? People undergo all sorts of cosmetic procedures with all sorts of side effects yet the scientific community still sees this as no no. You would never be able to go to Bellafill and ask about it's effects in the penis. They would stop the conversation. We have to get past this shit somehow.
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711698

Hyperbol wrote: Honestly, I think we really need to push for some sort of consumer review board on this topic. It's a joke that consumers are bombarded by conflicting information.

This forum effectively acts as a consumer review board on the topic. You have to remember how niche this topic is, there is a very good chance your Family Practice doctor has no idea what we're talking about.

If you have some suggestions on what I can do that isn't already circulating through this site, feel free to send me ideas at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it..

I also don't nececssarily believe there is conflicting information for the most part, we know what PMMA is and what it does and we have been following it (including myself who has had it in me since 2011).


Hyperbol wrote: 1. Bellafill claims it lasts up to five years and that's how most derm clinics are advertising the product. I do not understand this. There is some real disconnect with communicating PMMA efficacy to people.

I don't understand Suneva's (the manufacturer) position on this either, although I have a strong hunch that it likely is one (or both) of these reasons:

(1) In the U.S., filler permanancy has never been popular among Cosmetic Clinics for a variety of reasons, including its denouncement by a famous Dermatologist (Dr. Klein) many years ago. You could argue that permanency eliminates repeat bussiness (think Botox for example), or you could argue that some Doctors find the idea of something permanent unsettling (which is in fact true for some). I theorize that Suneva rather not advertise its permanence, but rather advertise its "long-term appeal" in hopes of driving business to those who are otherwise risk-averse.

(2) Although I have no way of proving this, I wonder if their trials prior to FDA approval had up to 5 years of data, allowing them to say as much without having to admit permanency. Just thinking aloud, getting Suneva to confirm or deny this would probably not be realistic.

If this is the conflicting info you are referring to, then I wouldn't call it conflicting, but rather inaccurate. We all know PMMA's longevity, demonstrably and unequivocally. PhalloBoard's member GSXR first posted about his progress report circa 2010-2011 (he still remains in touch with me), so we know that it lasts at the very least, 13~ years with zero sign of size-reduction. I have yet to see a guy show up to the forums, my PMs, or my Email inbox showing me loss of size, much less making the claim.


Hyperbol wrote: 2. Gather a group of doctors, physicians and patients from around the world and discuss the differences between Linnea Safe and Bellafill.

That's what we're doing. It's only until recently that penile Bellafill picked up in popularity in the U.S., in part due to recent reports showing its relative success. This may explain the limited amount of content in that regard, but it will only continue to grow now that we have more Bellafill providers represented here. The two published studies on particle sizes of both fillers are in the same range, the range necessary to induce neocollagenisis, and thus permanence. The only difference are the carriers, which in it of themselves play no long-term role in your size as they are eventually broken down your body.

Also, Linnea Safe is almost exclusively in Mexico & Brazil, and most Bellafill providers are not going to have much information on it, nor are they likely going to advocate its use as it isn't an (American) FDA-approved product. This forum is largely patient/user driven, so it's on us to investigate. The reality is that Research & Development funding by Universities, Pharmacies, and Medical Device companies are not being allocated to penis enlargement (and if anything, allocated to penile injury and sexual wellbeing instead). If you are a consumer in this arena, you're in the wild west to some degree. Fortunately, we're much farther along than we were 10 & 20 years ago respectively, and we have more information at our fingertips than ever.

We have patient testimony, Doctor insight, and the occasional studies & articles to help make an informed decision. The PhalloBoards plays a part in that. Here are some things you can check out for starters:

Bellafill https://bellafill.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/7251Rev00_Bellafill_e-IFU_US.pdf

Linnea Safe https://www.scielo.br/j/jbpml/a/gHYhLZvHyZ8pDWHYKBWFKfK/?lang=en

As you can see, Bellafill purports a 30-50 micron range and Linnea Safe a 36-43 micron range, both effectively in the same hemisphere of what I'd guess you'd call the "phagocytosis threshold", or in other words, large enough not to be broken down or taken away or re-absorbed. Bellafill has a bovine carrier and Linnea Safe a gel-like carrier, the only difference being the window of time it takes your body to break those fillers down (while your body creates new collagen).


Hyperbol wrote: 3. Bring phalloplasty via injectible fillers to the forefront. Why is Bellafill not supporting it's use in the penis but yet sells it's product to doctors using it specifically for this purpose? People undergo all sorts of cosmetic procedures with all sorts of side effects yet the scientific community still sees this as no no. You would never be able to go to Bellafill and ask about it's effects in the penis. They would stop the conversation. We have to get past this shit somehow.

The stigma remains strong with penises unfortunately. It's the one part of the body that is the quickest to get flagged on YouTube, Social Media, etc. My original PhalloBoards PayPal account got banned because apparently my website was too PENIS for their liking.

Once you realize Corporate America and mainstream marketing consider anything phallic of high risk, you'll see why these manufacturers aren't necessarily clamoring that Doctors do it. I will say this though, through my backchannels, I know that these Filler Brands are starting to take notice, and have started to reconsider their attitude toward penile enhancement. So perhaps in time, attitutes change, we'll see more coverage & info from these manufucterers as it pertains to penile enhancement.
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711721

Great data and thank you for the links to the scientific studies.
1.) Has anyone ever mixed the two? Meaning they started with say Linnea Safe and went with Bellafil for the second round?

2.) Based on what the data on average how much Girth increase can one expect with Linnea Safe vs. Bellafil? After the 1st round? After the 2nd round?
Last edit: by Keith5575. Reason: I had more questions
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Avanti Derma 2023 Brochure & Pricing! 1 month 3 weeks ago #1308711763

I went ahead and copy & pasted your Suneva/Bellafill comments to your private message Hyperbol with my responses. If you wish, feel free to start a new topic on the matter and we can discuss this further.

It's that this topic is a 2023 Pricing Announcement for Avanti Derma and their Linnea Safe product; the discussion of Suneva/Bellafill (while related) was off-topic with respect to this thread. I'm also going to lock this thread as all the information needed for Avanti Derma pricing can be found in the original post.
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