I reached out to Rejuvall and was told that Dr. Carney does not do initial consultations. It seems a bit ridiculous to me that the person you're paying upwards of $10,000+ who is performing the procedure isn't even willing to speak to his patients for a consultation. Can anyone else confirm if this is true and what the reason is?
I can confirm that he is a great doctor. I can confirm they run a good operation. And I can confirm that non of us pretend to know how or why that run their business in a particular way.
I think you words are a bit harsh here and put out in public in poor taste. Perhaps in the future maybe you could consider being a bit nicer with your words and about a guy that has done tons of great work to many guys on here. But hey, if this business practice bothers you that much, simply don't go there. SIMPLE !
With that: "Willing" is your second wrong word. It is not his business, he is a doctor that works there. And even it were, who are you to dictate how they should operate? Perhaps if you went through the initial consult and then needed more information and were genuinely ready to make your mind up, perhaps they might do that for you - IF of course that is how they chose to operate their business and the system in which they process their potential patients. But more over than that, that Doctor does a shit loads of procedures every day at one of the MULTIPLE places he operates at, as PRACTICING Urologist, so I highly doubt that he has the time or bandwidth to get on the phone with every single potential patient that calls there office looking for info. Frankly I'd be more concerned about that if he did.
This is very well kept board that does not like or appreciate a lot bullshit and off-putting statements. We are here to help each other along our journeys and share correct and accurate info.
Lastly, a few simple searches might have turned you on to a handful of people that have used this place and that particular doctor and you could have then addressed those people in a PM in the manner in which you have and not made such a public asshat statement.
They have a system. You’ll send photos to their HIPPA compliant portal and dr Morganstern will likely be the one who reviews your options with you. For reference, I initially inquired about FFT . Dr Morganstern swiftly made me aware that I was not a candidate for FFT because I’m too lean. He recommended HA. It was a very consultative approach - not a sales pitch. The night of my appointment dr Carney met with me and gave me the good the bad and the ugly (the ugly is the cost) and made sure I still wanted to move forward. He explained everything to me in detail and an hour later I walked out of there with a much bigger dick. I’ve been back three more times and I love their staff and they run a good practice.
point - Dr. Carney could do this in his sleep. He’s a urologist and does trauma surgeries. He doesn’t have time to mess with consultations for a non invasive reversible elective procedure that takes him 15 minutes to perform.
Also when I met with Avanti Derma my consult was not with dr C - it was with Ian (who was great). Hopefully this helps you better understand the typical process so you’ll have more realistic expectations going forward.
[/url][/url], firstly, every other doctor that performs this procedure does initial consultations with their patients. Are you concerned about Alter's or Solomon's ability to practice? What about Morganstern's? My guess is no, but then again maybe you should think about that before you make, as you put it, "public asshat comments." At no point did I dictate how they run their business. I was asking a question to confirm if this is the case based on others who have spoken with him. And thanks for lecturing me about how this forum works when I've been on it for 2 years longer than you have. FYI I've read every single post on Dr. Carney and Dr. Morgenstern on this forum, Version 2.0 and Version 1.0 and previously had private messaged others who had surgery with him. But then again, seems like you like being a keyboard warrior. SIMPLE!
In terms of responding to others besides @Texas
[/url][/url], it appears that Dr. Carney's assistant replied incorrectly to my initial inquiry, but regardless, it is the case that Dr. Carney doesn't do phone consultations. Unfortunately, I'm located half way across the world and it would take me 4 days of travel to see him in person, which in my opinion (which I'm fully entitled to have @Texas
[/url][/url]), is not on par with the other physicians that I've spoken to and does not make sense to me as the time for the consultation is the same for him whether in person or over the phone. I understand that Morganstern will do a phone consultation, but I'd prefer to speak with the operating physician (especially given the documentation on this forum of inconsistent messaging between the two at times). Moreover, it does cause me concern in terms of post-operative care, as I assume that if it's the case that he doesn't have the ability to take phone calls, then he wouldn't be available to discuss a procedure afterwards either.
I appreciate the thoughtful responses from everyone else.
I was surprised when I was told that I could only have an in person consultation with Dr. Carney. Christian ( I believe that was his name ) had posted just 6 months prior to that about having a phone consult with him. I do not know what the reason was for the change but I'm sure he had a good reason. My wait time in the office for the consultation was over an hour and this could be easily avoided with a phone consult. I did have a 15 minute phone consult with Dr. Morgenstern and honestly I got nothing from it. I am 100% glad that I had the in person consultation with Dr. Carney and not a phone consult.
Dr. Solomon is on par with Dr. Carney so I would recommend going to see him in your situation with the distance for a consult. I've read good success stories from some of his patients and he was a close second when I was deciding on my Dr. The big difference is the horizontal incision is smaller but it's in a delicate place and takes 6+ weeks to fully heal and you can't do any PE in that timeframe.
For what it's worth if I was a Dr. performing surgeries, I would only do in person consultations. Everyone has there own moral compass and are guided by it.
Good luck to you and your surgery wherever you decide to go.
Thanks, I appreciate that thoughtful response. Your sentiment about the initial consult with Morganstern seems to be the general consensus, which is why I would want to do the consult with Carney instead. I get your position about in-person consultations being more beneficial for the surgeon, however, it doesn't seem like that's the reason here. Otherwise, they wouldn't allow you to solely have a phone consultation with Dr. Morganstern and then no consultation whatsoever with Dr. Carney. Moreover, in my emails with the assistant at Rejuvall, it seems that it's solely a convenience thing and Dr. Carney doesn't want to get on the phone. Given that this would be a second surgery for me (and is not just a filler but an actual surgery), as well as the fact that it's a corrective surgery and I've already experienced bad outcomes, what's important to me is to have a physician available during the aftercare process as well. Rejuvall said that if I had questions or issues arise after surgery, Dr. Carney wouldn't be willing to handle those matters over the phone either, and that it would need to be in person. I don't have the ability to hop on an 8 hour international flight every time I have a quick 15 minute question for the Doctor (not to mention the financial cost that would involve).
I spoke with Solomon multiple times and surprisingly, he goes about his surgery much different than others. First, his horizontal incision is at the penopubic junction rather than 2 inches above it like others. I think that this can cause issues when stretching after the surgery. Second, he doesn't use fat as a spacer to prevent the ligament from reattaching, which I personally believe is vital (or at the very least, helpful and/or harmless) to the overall process. As of now, I'm leaning towards Alter.
interesting. I have heard that Solomon has had great feedback on his results-- and the only pure lengthening on Morganstern's website shows about 1.5 inches of Flaccid, still confused re bpfsl. how can this not be the same as fsl?
Solomon said 1 Inch of Flaccid, not 2 as Morganstern did, could this be due to incision point and/or absence of spacer?
Your initial post was worded like an asshole; plain and simple and I stand behind it. Get fucked if you don't like what I said. So back to my basic point once more: perhaps if you would have made your initial post much more polite, non of this would be going on now. Just as if you would have made your initial post much more clear and detailed, as you have finally, your position would be better understood - rude still but at least better understood.
Now, if you would like to continue with the name calling then I can really show you what a keyboard warrior I can be: or we can move on and I can wish you the best of luck one last time.
Completely reasonable to question the initial consultation when one one is going to spend what is considered to some a lot of money ( myself included ) for a pending medical procedure. Unfortunately for the medical clinic practice, not everyone who consults actually has the procedure for one reason or another. One can only imagine the enormous number of inquiries/consults a practice in this area that occur daily from men all of the world looking for information for what can be, and is for many, a life changing dream come true. There would be simply no time in the day to perform the actual procedure, all the time would be spent with consultations. Don’t let this put you off from moving forward with a Doctor that you have started your research with. If you are 100% going to have the procedure with a certain Doctor ask if there is a consultation fee that can be applied to the cost of the procedure? Ask if there is someone available in the office who is available to answer your questions in a way that is convenient for them ( voice, text, chat, email, skype?)
Some Doctors do allow for some time pre procedure to sit down with the patient and it’s best to ask if this is what one can expect with a particular Doctor.
I think that this whole process of self enhancement is so new to most men that we are just not used to the norms that are expected to be understood by the medical practices so questions, any and all are to be expected. I hope that future questions asked by our fellow members of this forum can be answered intelligently and with respect and not with childish name calling and threats.That behavior that has no place on this or any forum where people come for help and understanding for such a serious and life changing procedure. At the end of the day let’s all work to help each other achieve our common goal.
I know this site isn't technically a substitution for a consultation, but I'm working on the
Newbie Guide , which will be a comprehensive source for easy-to-digest material that can answer many questions you'd likely have at a consultation. Couple this with the heaps of progress reports here, you can find out a lot about what to expect seeking a certain Doctor/Clinic, especially if they're a Sponsor.
The Newbie Guide
is still under construction but will be added to as time goes on, but feel free to skim it, especially the "Medical Expert Opinions" section. All the information found in the guide will continue to be vetted by any one of our Sponsors for scientific accuracy; however, it is simply a patient's guide and while it can certainly help alleviate some questions or concerns, it is not a substitute for a real medical consultation, evaluation, diagnosis, prognosis, prescription, or treatment protocol.
If the provider you're interested in does not offer Initial Consultations, either take the aforementioned advice or consider alternative providers who may offer real-time consultation. I highly recommend Dr. Carney, but if they are adamant about their consultation policy, and an "in-person consult" is paramount to you, there are alternative providers who I know offer some type of consultation, including by phone. A regional alternative is PhalloFILL who's joining us in 2022 as a New Sponsor in Texas, and then you have Dr. Tsay in Orange County who I know has talked to patients by phone to answer questions.