TOPIC: S-L-E vs Avanti Derma

By the way, I'm easy to find on ThundersPlace, S-L-E or here......same username across all boards. I've been at Thunder's since 2002. I have my entire story posted with pics. I'm no schill for anyone. I simply try to advance the PE community and help others out when/if I can.....but this infighting shit trying to gain/keep business for Casavantes is horseshit. S-L-E and Avanti have different approaches, so what.....who gives a shit.....present your case....either you get the client or you don't, but for the love of God, quit mudslinging and get to helping people, not trying to tear down anyone who competes with you. Lame!

That's actually not true. MNS was originally a site to promote Dr Knight, then Dr Krakovsky and only later Dr Elist. Basically they shilled for whoever Dan and Chad (before they fell out and Chad went alone) had a business relationship with and did so, despite knowing the catastrophic results those Dr's were getting. So it wasn't simply an Elist shill site. It was a business run in order to exploit men and earn money for Dan and Chad.

I don't think you understand what a shill is in this context. A shill makes up fake accounts to promote a Dr's work and deletes posts of those who try to expose them and warn others, The shills literally earn money for recruiting patients for the Dr they are promoting.

No one affiliated with this forum has ever made a single shill post. And we've been going since 2011. There are plenty of threads where posters express their dissatisfaction with the results they got at the hands of our sponsors. Those posts aren't deleted. The only reason this forum exists, is because of our determination for there to be transparency within the cosmetic PE industry.

We don't hide the fact that Dr C is a sponsor. But then again we don't hide the fact there are 5 other sponsors on the forum, who are competing with Dr C for business. It would be a hell of a strange business model for a Dr to set up a shill account and then allow other Dr's to promote their work don't you think?

Skeptical One is free to allow anyone he likes become a forum sponsor and none of the current sponsors can do anything about it. But he chooses not to allow the likes of SLE to be sponsors here due to their appalling track record and all the devastation they've caused over the years. It would be completely immoral to allow someone like Dan Salas to profit from this forum and I assure you, Dan would dearly love to be a sponsor here. The same is true for Dr Loria and Elist. I promise you, SO like money as much as the next man and would benefit greatly from allowing them on board, but he doesn't. Maybe you should think about it instead of telling him "to quit acting like a 5th grader."

I don't think it's hard to imagine the kind of money Elist would pay for SO to shut this forum down. We aren't talking a few thousand dollars here. Do you or anyone else reading this seriously think Elist alone wouldn't pay in the hundreds of thousands to get rid of this site? In 2017 I was personally approached by someone claiming to be trying to broker a deal and there are other members on here who can confirm that. The numbers being mentioned were mind blowing. Yet SO didn't even consider it for a second, even though, at the time, the forum was costing him money and had done for the previous 6 years. I know every now and again he can be a bit abrasive, but at the end of the day, could you imagine just how few men would have done the same in his position? I'm not trying to guilt trip you, but by picking on SO's integrity, you couldn't have chosen a worse target.

To call this a shill site is simply incorrect. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Please post the stats representing the appalling track record you speak of and I call bullshit, I was reading this topic in the wee hours of the morning and there were posts on this topic that have been deleted. If we've not got bias then why delete posts on this topic? I am involved in the PE community, I know full well what a shill is. I call them how I see them, without apology.
I have been approached, offered a % of sales profit, by a manufacturer of a penis weight system, one that I believe to be of excellent quality in fact, and turned down the opportunity to make a profit by talking up their product to other members, outside of my honest opinion.....so I understand how important impartial opinion is versus gab for profit.
Quoting this/that as fact without data is pointless. You really want this site to be viewed any differently, pull the derogatory "5th grade" shit and get back to business at hand...….I have used SLE and I had a very positive experience. There are people who have had good and bad results on both sides of the TJ office complex Avanti and SLE I'm sure....who gives a shit.....let's move on eh!
You say SO is a man of integrity....so be it. I know Dan Salas personally, met the man multiple times, I'm telling you he is a genuinely nice guy as well. So, tit for tat I suppose.

9_in_richard wrote: Please post the stats representing the appalling track record you speak of and I call bullshit, I was reading this topic in the wee hours of the morning and there were posts on this topic that have been deleted. If we've not got bias then why delete posts on this topic? I am involved in the PE community, I know full well what a shill is. I call them how I see them, without apology.
I have been approached, offered a % of sales profit, by a manufacturer of a penis weight system, one that I believe to be of excellent quality in fact, and turned down the opportunity to make a profit by talking up their product to other members, outside of my honest opinion.....so I understand how important impartial opinion is versus gab for profit.
Quoting this/that as fact without data is pointless. You really want this site to be viewed any differently, pull the derogatory "5th grade" shit and get back to business at hand...….I have used SLE and I had a very positive experience. There are people who have had good and bad results on both sides of the TJ office complex Avanti and SLE I'm sure....who gives a shit.....let's move on eh!
You say SO is a man of integrity....so be it. I know Dan Salas personally, met the man multiple times, I'm telling you he is a genuinely nice guy as well. So, tit for tat I suppose.

You are being disingenuous when you ask for data. Anyone reading this will know that. But it is a matter of fact that Dr Rhienchild lost his medical license, Dr Knight lost his medical license, Dr Baron was suspended and Dr Elist has countless victims testimony all over the internet. These Dr's were all promoted by Dan. You don't need statistical data to know he cares little about the quality of the Dr's he does business with. I'm sure he can be as charming as hell, but he undoubtedly cares more about money than well being of his patients. Hence SO won't accept his patronage as it would be an insult to all the guys who have suffered in order to line his pockets. Dan had never heard of PMMA before this forum existed and none of the Dr's he has since worked with, offered PMMA in the penis, before working with Dan. So please don't try and pretend Dan gave 2 shits about his patients. He found any Dr he could that would inject PMMA and couldn't possibly have vetted them in anyway, as they simply didn't offer the procedure previously. You can spin it any way you like, but everything about Dan's business practices clearly demonstrate that he couldn't care less about you or anyone else he sells a PE procedure for.

The posts that were deleted from this thread weren't complaining about our sponsors. They were part of an argument. We often delete unnecessarily hostile posts that don't benefit the forum in anyway, the same as virtually every internet forum.

Hello. Without all the back and forth and without any bias I just want to find the best option for me. I’m 4.5 in when Erect and 4 in Girth. Dr. C say that I should only add .50in in Girth (20cc) which is nothing based on the small I am. S-L-E said that the maximum I could do is 45cc which can be 1.5 or 2 in Girth increase. A lot more. If S-L-E if that bad and using silicon oil as you guys said we should be able to see the post from that people with their pictures and bad results. Removing any comments or past thread it’s a little intriguing. Can you 9_in_richard post your pictures? To see the results or anybody that had it done in S-L-E?

Make the best choice for you buddy and good luck.....do your research & use your best judgment

I gained 2.25", but that was after 4 rounds (15%,@45cc, 20% @ 60CC, 30% @ 60cc, 30% @ 20CC)

9_in_richard wrote: I gained 2.25", but that was after 4 rounds (15%,@45cc, 20% @ 60CC, 30% @ 60cc, 30% @ 20CC)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, are you saying you had 185cc of PMMA in a penis? That doesn't sound probable.

Jacks10 wrote:

9_in_richard wrote: I gained 2.25", but that was after 4 rounds (15%,@45cc, 20% @ 60CC, 30% @ 60cc, 30% @ 20CC)

Please correct me if I'm wrong, are you saying you had 185cc of PMMA in a penis? That doesn't sound probable.

Also, if the argument that more volume at S-L-E is some how superior, that doesn't work either. You could get those results from significantly less volume of LinneaSafe at Avanti over the same 4 sessions. I've had 2 sessions and am 1.5 inches larger at the base from "only" 39 CC.

Cvl1984 wrote: Hello. Without all the back and forth and without any bias I just want to find the best option for me. I’m 4.5 in when Erect and 4 in Girth. Dr. C say that I should only add .50in in Girth (20cc) which is nothing based on the small I am. SLE said that the maximum I could do is 45cc which can be 1.5 or 2 in Girth increase. A lot more. If SLE if that bad and using silicon oil as you guys said we should be able to see the post from that people with their pictures and bad results. Removing any comments or past thread it’s a little intriguing. Can you 9_in_richard post your pictures? To see the results or anybody that had it done in SLE?

That's completely understandable. However, please keep in mind that there is no way for a doctor to guarantee gains from PMMA as it's based on your body's ability to build collagen around the microspheres. Some people build more and others less. They can give rough estimates, but that's it. PMMA is very different than silicone or HA, as the carrier for the product dissolves as your body encapsulates it with living tissue. With silicone, HA etc, it's the product itself that provides the Girth so doctors can be more confident with their estimates of how many CCs correspond to Girth increases. Also, Dr. C tends to be conservative (responsible) when talking about potential gains, and many patients do gain more than what he estimates.

But the key difference between AD and SLE, from my understanding, is that AD is a regular practice with certified doctors who have long track records of success and SLE is a broker who uses various different doctors. Depending on who's doing the procedure, some of SLE's patients may come out with excellent results while others may end up looking like the guy in the video that SO referenced who thought he had PMMA injected but it was actually silicone. (go to 6:55 in the video)

So I've had to make a new account because I was banned by skeptical, funny how anyone from s-l-e seems to cop a ban or put down on this forum hey. It's Big Dickes by the way. Ban this account too if you want mate, I'm nothing but extremely happy with my results. 1 session and I gained an Inch with 60cc from S-L-E. If anything you put fear into the minds of others with this forum, to avoid s-l-e at all costs

There's a guy right in this thread who isn't 100% sure what was injected in his Dick.

This isn't complicated or difficult guys. I don't care who does your procedure, if they don't SHOW you openly exactly what you're getting, you are adding additional risks and unknowns. S-L-E at one point was saying they had their own 'special filler' that was a custom produced PMMA. Which it was not. I personally wouldn't be comfortable going somewhere with a shady track record that's not completely open about what they do and what they use. But hey, if you want to argue and defend how good they are, I guess good for you.

Christ, Loria for ages kept insisting he had some special filler. It's freaking silicone.

I'll stick to using a broker for my insurance and go straight to the source for my elective procedures lol

My numbers are accurate yes. I'm 49 and although I ride the plump post procedure, bottom out as carrier absorbs and then gains as collagen encapsulates.....I question how well I produce collagen as compared to a younger man, say a 24 year old would. My penis is very full and heavy for sure. No change to Erection quality. I did lose some length.

Mate that was me, and I wasnt sure because of Skeptical ones slander of SLE. He put fear into my mind, and then spoke to me the way he did and then banned me. How hilarious is that