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What is PCL? I actually also lost a lot more near the neck area. That is where I see and feel product is lost the most noticeably. However I have not seen anyone else ever discuss issues with ellipse. Do you have ellanse? I notice it use to be hard even when flaccid, now it is really squishy. Almost like loose skin and its made me insecure. Do you think it will ever break down? If it does I will get megaderm.

We know PCL breaks down, I would be MORE surprised if it all broke down uniformly.
So in an area where PCL has broken down more than others, maybe you'd have less collagen?
We don't know if that's what's going on with you, but logically it's a possibility. It could of course also be psychosomatic.
If you do have genuine degradation, and it's uneven, I'd be willing to bet you could get docs to smooth you out with HA in the gaps - or, just wait until more of it is naturally broken down and get PMMA.

Your right it isnt losing size. However I just dont like how it looks anymore. It looks clumpy compared to before and it isnt as hard and the shelf look is driving me nuts.

So this would dissolve ellanse?

@wannabebig1 I received Ellanse too. My first injection was in 2019 with Dr C. There are times when I think that I am losing size but the measuring tape proves otherwise. I have maintained the same size. You should send some pictures to illustrate your concern. Also show measurements.

@itgoesthud
yes, its really „scary“ that we really have to take care that some substances / creams whatever do not come on our dick. Risk to shrink pmma. (??)

When you use the search function on here: There are many substances from which users claim they can manage their pmma overreactions. What means in general this substances could shrink pmma (??)

What I found on phalloboards:
- Dmso
- Creams that contain Hydrocortisone
- Paba
- Reninol

Maybe I m overthinking haha. But if you like your Pmma… better check that this substances do NOT touch your dick.

On paper, DMSO would break down collagen.
It would not move or remove the PMMA microspheres themselves. I don't think it would do anything to the inflammatory cells (fibroblasts?) that are responsible for recruiting collagen, I think all it does is break down the scaffolding of the collagen and make it malleable.
The worry is whether or not the collagen would ever feel normal again, and/or if new collagen would be created by the PMMA once the old collagen is destabilized.
If I were to try it, I damn sure wouldn't try it on a large area. Maybe a pimple sized area. I read one guy on here who said he was able to press his filler flat where he previously had an injection site clump. That would be my only purpose for it, IF i were brave enough to try. I can't imagine risking it on a large area, that goes wrong you have a weird mangled dick.

I understand. I saw only a lot people here who trying to fix Pmma Issues with DMSO and so on.
If - this substance „would“ also shrink pmma - its a nice value for the forum to know which substance/ chemicals / creams should better not go on your dick when they would have the potential to shrink pmma.

PmmaFan wrote: The second post from @turle28 about DMSO and shrinking of Pmma.
@Skeptical_One do you really think something like this can happen?

I don't believe that DMSO "shrinks" PMMA because that would be the wrong way of phrasing it -- the girth you obtain via PMMA is collagen growth via physiological processes.

That said, there are anecdotal evidence throughout the forums that DMSO can be helpful in softening areas that may have issues with nodules & aesthetic irregularities. Since its merit for its use in treating injectable phalloplasty isn't sufficient enough for me to endorse its practice, I would defer to your performing physician and/or a Doctor well-versed in this area.

The second post from @turle28 about DMSO and shrinking of Pmma.
@Skeptical_One do you really think something like this can happen?

Meuy wrote: Thailand FDA has only approved HA injections. If a needle is going in my body I'd like it to be a one time thing.

Any other good countries and clinics people can recommend? I may also travel to Australia, Middle East or Europe if necessary.

Proud Urology if you're in that part of the world, easy. If you are willing to travel to Europe, there are Hyaluronic Acid (HA), Ellanse, and Free Fat Transfer (FFT) options as well (in terms of injectables for girth enhancement).

Proud Urology have a filler called MegaFill, while not PMMA, can be long-lasting (if not permanent), since it is made up of a finer, granular & liquid form of their dermal graft matrices (MegaDerm). Very recent reports on the Forum have been quite satisfactory, and it's a 3-Man-Team of distinguished Urologists, each specializing in in different areas of Sexual & Male Health/Medicine.

@lurkin is right, by submitting photos grants the user Lifetime Premium Membership (at no cost), so @atxguy should be able to see his attachments now.

I also implore @atxguy to continue his discussion in a new topic so that we don't unintentionally steer the topic off course, this is still Member "uncuthero's" original thread after all. Respectfully, thanks.

And for newcomers to this thread, atxguy had work done by a Loria-affiliated Surgeon (this is the literal opposite of an accolade or accomplishment), and on this surgeon's own website talks about the infamous "proprietary filler" -- a strong indication that we're dealing with a medical device that as far as I know has no FDA clearance or approval (dermal fillers/soft tissue fillers are classified as medical devices by the FDA). I mean, isn't this illegal, never mind the ethics of it all? By all accounts, there is strong reason to believe this magical formula of a filler contains silicone oil, which is regarded as a high-risk and ineffective filler for girth enhancement by both the general conensus of the PhalloBoards Community as well as the unanimous warning(s) by all PhalloBoards Sponsors (as well as non-Sponsors too). The idea that it being patented gives it any merit is laughable. But hey, don't take my word for it, read up on atxguy's posts (click his username, scroll through his posts/topics), who I also hope posts his own Report in the near future so more men can see the dangers of using silicone oil in male enhancement.

Nodules can happen regardless of filler, but silicone oil presents additional complications; with PMMA (or most acceptable fillers for girth), I usually consider surgical removal of any of nodules to be a true last resort, but with silicone oil, removal is a legitimate 1st option among treatment considerations depending on the surgeon who's repairing the work done. Not all those who get silicone are condemned to a fate of permanent aesthetic irregularity or inevitable complication (be it short or long-term), but the risks are not worth the reward, especially when other fillers out there present so much higher efficacy.

Again, I don't wish to steer or hijack the original poster's Reporting here, so I ask this discussion be carried over into a new topic if atxguy wishes to continue discussing his matters with us, it would be most appreciated, and it will be easier for us to provide advice and insight all in one place instead of hopping around different topics. Thanks.


*LATE EDIT: It seems Loria and Dellinger (and others) may be in a legal dispute according to some searches, but I can't tell for exactly what yet. What seems strange is that Dr. Dellinger still refers to his use of a "proprietary filler" and I wonder if that's just oversight by his website administrator, or that perhaps he's created his own variation of this garbage proprietary filler and maybe Loria is after him (and others) in litigation -->
See here: https://dockets.justia.com/docket/florida/flsdce/9:2024cv80198/662585 , as well as a few other links when doing a simple search of both Dellinger and Loria's names together, but all are seemingly paywalled unfortunately.
I would normally look into it and would have shared all the details with the Forum, but short of it being Loria losing his license and/or going to jail, I'm torn on giving him any press beyond that (on one hand it's pertinent to the topic of this website and on the other hand, like I said before, short of it being genuinely good news, i.e. JUSTICE, then I would rather just keep that taint off the Forums.
Suffice to say, I cannot say the current state of Loria and his Affiliates and if there are more than one version of a "proprietary filler" on the market, and if you see this term, stay FAR FAR away (although this should not be confused with "proprietary method or technique").
If you'd like a shortlist of injectables you can trust, just consider Medical Grade Hyaluronic Acid (HA), PMMA (known as Bellafill in the US, and Linnea Safe in Mexico to only be trusted with Avanti Derma, as there are silicone injectors in Tijuana who falsely claim to be using PMMA), Radiesse, Ellanse (found in Europe and Mexico), and Fat Transfers (FFTs), when performed by a trusted Practitioner.

wannabebig1 wrote: When you say my own personal consideration you mean like a tailored dermal on top of my ellanse? What would happen when the ellanse inevitably completely deteriorates as advertised?

However the Physician chooses to implant the graft (I believe would be under the Ellanse given that fillers are generally injected between dermal layers like the bucks and dartos fascia), you'll still have that permanent girth if & when all the Ellanse collagen deteriorates.

Ellanse was made to be temporary, so seeing any degradation process should have been anticipated, regardless of the unusually longer-than-expected lifespan of the product. You're 5-6 years out from your initial procedure and the longest lasting version was meant for 4 years. You may be one of the very first to show signs/indications that the filler indeed is temporary as advertised.

The question becomes whether you want to have something permanent (one & done) like a dermal graft, or maintain the size through re-stimulating the collagen production (assuming this approach works with Ellanse) -- better yet, I should have asked, besides the "squishy" nature of it, have you measured or noticed any notable loss in girth?

When you say my own personal consideration you mean like a tailored dermal on top of my ellanse? What would happen when the ellanse inevitably completely deteriorates as advertised?

wannabebig1 wrote: My Ellanse use to be super firm and strong. It felt awesome. It was also symmetrical throughout the whole penis. Got my first injection in 2019 for 10 ml, 12 in 2020 then 2 in 2021. I believe 2-3 year versions.

Now its gotten soggy and squishy. My shaft once felt natural, but now it feels like a dumpling or a balloon covered stick. It is very frustrating especially since ellanse may never go away. It is making me consider getting it removed and getting a dermal implant instead

I would try and avoid actual removal of the collagen built up from the Ellanse as it can be quite invasive and only best done if there is a health concern (i.e. complication) that warrants it. This is the first I've heard of Ellanse losing its robustness, but then again, it's technically supposed to be temporary, despite most reports showing it lasts quite a long time.

Your two options are to perhaps get some low-volume injections of Ellanse in to maybe possibly re-trigger more collagen production -OR- your own personal consideration of a dermal graft, which maybe doable with the presence of Ellanse (possibly) -- someone like @PhalloplasticSurgeon_DrLiu (Dr. Liu) would know.