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Good luck!! You're in good hands. You'll be fine. They make the experience super easy too, from the shuttle to the procedure.

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Hello all,

Hours away from flying to Avantis. I’m very nervous and anxious about the journey, the procedure, the aftercare, and the results. Just about everything.

I am a 21 year old college student from the San Francisco Bay Area. I’ve been practicing PE on and off since 14, with a mix of manuals at first (jelqing, yikes!) to vac extending and pumping now. Obviously I’m not sure how much it’s helped as there’s no way to differentiate its impact, but I do attribute some of my starting size to this history. Here are my starting stats now:

BPEL: 6.3”
MSEG: 4”

Length is satisfactory for me, but I’d definitely want a 7” if I could get there. However, that’s not been my primary concern. Girth has always been a heavy insecurity of mine, and one that I've had no progress with. I’ve tried manual, pumping, and clamping routines for girth but have had no results, partly due to how unrealistic and unsustainable the practice is and how little my lifestyle allows for it. I thought all hope was lost. Until I came across this community.

I learned about fillers and PhalloBoards from r/GettingBigger, funnily enough they’re not very fond of this at all, but it’s what drew me to this community. I fell into the rabbit hole, did weeks to months of obsessive research with hours on end, and finally settled on Avantis for my first appointment. The purpose of this appointment is to serve as a trial to see if fillers in general is something I'd like to pursue more in the future, as I am quite young and uncircumcised, thus we're starting with only 10cc's of Ellanse. I did get the PRP package as well.

I understand most of the members here are in their 30s and 40s, and it's unusual to see a younger patient's journal posted on the boards. But I'll say with confidence that I understand wholeheartedly the risks and rewards of the decisions I am making, and I entirely accept this with a clear and level head. I'd be more than happy to elaborate further on my background and journey here, and would love to answer any questions you guys may have about anything!

That's all for now, boarding in just over an hour!

Yes but because it is more permanent, I would like to try HA first to see how it goes. But afterwards I am completely open to ellanse if it Proves to be the better solution

Damo85 wrote: That’s so interesting. The penis fill and erect filll sites are super similar so it really makes sense what you are saying. I would like to go for PMMA after HA but I think androfill is the only place that does it. Moorgate and Greta won’t.

I remember when Moorgate tried to use Ellanse perhaps 3-4 years ago and published some bad results (which they thought were good results I presume) in an Ellanse Before and After section of their website
I speculate that perhaps they had a really bad case or two and stopped using the product - which can certainly happen with Ellanse, indeed we have had a bad case in London, and Dr Kimilu in Manchester had a pretty poor outcome once using Ellanse and stopped using the product after that.

The fact that Dr Greta refuses to inject it, even under the umbrella of Androfill, should remind people that the risks are real.
Doctors are refusing money essentially because they are worried about the risks.

That said, when Ellanse goes well (which is most of the time), the patients don't seem to ever return to HA.
They say it is firmer and harder, on the downside they more frequently notice nodules and there is no a lot we can do besides minor surgery to address issues with the product.
Veterans of the PB forum will recall that for years Dr Horn refused to inject Ellanse before becoming comfortable with the product and risks.

It is sensible to use an inexpensive HA filler first, even a small procedure, to 1) practice moulding and gain familiarity with the aftercare process, and 2) determine with something reversible whether you are a good candidate anatomically speaking, for dermal fillers in the penis generally (some are not due to various issues).

It is not a requirement to be circumcised to have Ellanse at Androfill.
If you have a circumcision please avoid the High style (with the circumcision scar some distance from the glans.
It can be difficult to inject on the other side of the scar (in the space between the scar and the glans), as the skin is thin.

Some of the Ellanse Androfill patients from 2018 still have the result, meaning 6 years and still going strong. I believe the product used back then was Ellanse "E" which was supposed to last 4 years.

Since 2019 we have used Ellanse "M" the product that was supposed to last 2 years. Most patients report that even the M version is still largely undiminished 5 years later. I had a word with a well known Urologist in London, Dr. Ralph, who questioned whether Ellanse would ever biodegrade, this was during a casual conversation about Poly-e-caprolactone and is not necessarily a professional opinion.

Nevertheless, considering Avanti Derma's experience, and our own patients having Ellanse for 5 years+, it would not surprise me if lasts a lot longer than expected, if not permanently. This obviously requires some re-calibrations by patients in terms of the economic aspects of the procedure (considering it is lasting much longer), but also, on the downside, that the risks of the procedure might be higher, given that the product might never degrade away.

Linnea is comprised of 10 or 30% of PMMA microspheres.
Ellansé contains 20% of PCL microspheres.
Both are suspended in carboxymethylcellulose.
Clinically, they don't show any substantial difference to the touch, but we have observed that collagenesis is stronger with PCL.
We get more volume from Ellanse using similar quantities of Linnea 30 or Ellanse.
The only difference is that PCL is a chain whose edges are slowly metabolized by the body and eventually disappear.
PMMA is a solid microsphere that the body cannot metabolize.
For more information about Ellanse, please click on the following link: phalloboards.info/ellanse-nonsurgical-ph...ure-by-dr-casavantes

PmmaFan wrote: Is Ellanse or PMMA harder?

I know they both host collagen. But different collagen type ? And what is the concentration % of the stimulating substance in Ellanse? For example like in PMMA 10% or 30%.

And what exact is the carrier substance / stimulating substance in Ellanse ???

The microspheres are known as PCL (Poly-Caprolactone) that will eventually be broken down and absorbed by your body, however I'm can't recall off the top of my head what its carrier was (I'll look into it). While I don't have microscope slides to show you, I suspect the collagen is similar if not identical to that of PMMA because they effectively induce the same immune response to a micro foreign bodies.

Perhaps @Avanti_Derma can chime in on both Ellanse's carrier as well as the collagen comparison between Ellanse & PMMA.

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Is Ellanse or PMMA harder?

I know they both host collagen. But different collagen type ? And what is the concentration % of the stimulating substance in Ellanse? For example like in PMMA 10% or 30%.

And what exact is the carrier substance / stimulating substance in Ellanse ???

Is Ellanse or Pmma harder?

I know they both host collagen. But what is the concentration % of the stimulating substance in Ellanse? For example like in Pmma 10% or 30%.

And what exact is the carrier substance in Ellanse ???

Have you considered Ellanse?

I’m looking for an opinion from guys that have had both HA and one of the other more dense fillers like PMMA or Ellanse. the feel of PMMA vs HA. Yes I’m aware PMMA is permanent.

Which feels more realistic, better feel during sex etc , overall satisfaction.

Thank you for your detailed response I think I will contact androfill about ellanse. My only concern is that I’ll will need a lot of ml to make a difference. And unfortunately that would be very expensive. Additionally, Moorgate say that they used their standard HA which I have no documentation of, if so that’s disappointing and suggests I’m some sort of outlier. Plus their “solution” would cost yet more money

I’ll take a second opinion androfill