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Mango wrote:
Androfill doesn\'t offer Ellanse though.

If they were smart, they would. They are best positioned, among all male enhancement clinics, to deliver best price, and thus dominate the market for one of the best, if not the best, filler options.

sexy beast wrote: go for the ellanse....

Androfill doesn\'t offer Ellanse though.

Hey Bolk, yep I only measure nbpel, as it\'s only what goes in that counts. I also tend to be pretty conservative with my measurements, as I think man is naturally inclined to embellish on size. I definitely see some of that on this board. I don\'t know who\'s telling you that you\'re average, but you\'re well above average, if general guidelines are to be considered. I\'m probably a bit older than you (43) and before I started on my PE journey, at 22 by getting a lig cut, I was 5\" EL. Following a month of hanging, I got to 5.75\". I spent a few years stretching my penis and doing exercises (not really knowing what I was doing) and was able to get to 6\" by the time I was 30. I stayed there until last year, when I started stretching and water pumping, and this year I started hanging. I think I started out the year at 6\" EL or just fractionally longer. Admittedly, my sex life started quite late, but I have had a multitude of experiences, and I\'ll answer your question in the different size segments below.

20-22 yrs (5\"EL): I had 4 partners during this time, one of them actually said I was small. What\'s funny is, I was drunk when she said it and didn\'t bother me that much, and we actually had decent sex. But truthfully, I just didn\'t feel as manly as I knew I could be, especially since I was a professional fighter. On the positive, I had a chiseled body which was thin at the waist and legs, which improved my length visually, but only when erect.

22-30 (5.75\" EL): The lig cut was a confidence-booster indeed. My sex partners increased steadily. I had around 30 partners during this time. I no longer felt small, nor was I made to feel small in the vaginas I penetrated. I didn\'t feel big either but average was just fine for me, and I had some good sex partners, which allowed me to improve my technique. As a result, I always heard good things from my partners, and this is where I started making women orgasm. I\'d say 3 out of 5. I also started to realize that technique was more important than size. It took a while, but I definitely learned this valuable lesson.

30-42 (6\" EL): Hammer time. You know that scene in \"Life of Pi\" when the tiger reaches the island full of lemmings? That was me. 230-250 sex partners. I used to keep a journal where I kept count of my partners; that ended during this period due to sheer volume. I literally had days where I\'d bang three women on the same day. Still do it. In short, I had improved confidence, great technique and experience. 98% of the women came. Many screaming orgasms. It is also in this period where I started making women squirt. For two of them, I actually had to keep a mop near the bed. It got to the point where I have to buy a plastic cover for the beds, and fuck them standing up so that they could pour all over the floor. Very often called \"best sex partner ever.\" I also heard from several partners during this period that they had never had a vaginal orgasm, and that I was the first. Callbacks virtually every single time, except for those who I was \"too big\" for. It\'s important to note that I have pretty decent thickness (currently 5.6\" EG). This. Was very gratifying, and I never felt inferior in the department. However, there were a handful, of the numerous women that I banged, who\'s worId I didn\'t truly rock. It\'s not that I felt inferior, it\'s that I always want to feel like the Apex Predator among all of my partners suitors. Alfa isn\'t enough. I literally want to bang the living shit out of my partners, to the point where they\'re masturbating so many times during the day and night that they can\'t even focus on their work. I want them acting like perverted men (sending me dirty texts, pussy pics, etc). I\'ve definitely succeeded.

42-present (6.35\" EL): It\'s pretty much the same as the above period. 0.35\" isn\'t really a big jump, so I\'m hoping to get the 7\" EL so I can consider a filler and get to 6\"+ EG. Never had pmma. Don\'t think I ever will. I\'m strongly considering Ellanse. The bottom line: Both my size and my sex life are very good. But I want to be great. I want every woman that I have sex with to drool and behave like a person who\'s mentally handicapped. It\'s because I get off on making women get off. That\'s what makes me an excellent lover. My women are always satisfied. The visual demonstrator of my noble goal is my avatar. It\'s the woman that Casanova fucks in the last scene of his titular play by Fellini.

LatinLog wrote: Dr. Oats, I\'m trying to decide on Ultra Deep or Voluma at Androfill. Can you please elaborate on your 1 bad experience? Was it nodules, unevenness? Thanks for your time. LL

go for the ellanse....

I would be hoping that I would\'nt need to be circumcised after PMMA. Any size increase that is substantial enough to warrant circumcisions surely will be the same with Ellanse no?

Well,its up to you,brother. I gave up on Pmma because of few reasons,1.) I don\'t want to be circumcised,2.) Its too far away from Turin and requires multiple procedures to get the job done,3.) In case of complications,I cannot just hop on a plane and go to Tj,my job simply doesn\'t allow me to..
But as far as I\'ve understand, dr. C and his team really do care about their patients well-being, and respond immidiately if some problems show up after the procedure, kudos to them !
I\'m going to try Ellanse. But like I\'ve said earlier,I just need a little bit more time to save some extra cash,and to do some more research about the whole thing.

alexei wrote: Androfill clinic in UK now also offers ellanse...
These are the prices:
www.androfill.com/price-information/

So I think for the time being,there isn\'t many other places to go.Prices are actually quite similar compared to Dr. Oates\' clinic,so around 4000 euros on the average for 10 ml..
I think I might be going through with it. I just need a little more time to be 100% sure ,and of course to put just a little bit more money aside.

So it seems Androfil are using it aswell as Moorgate ! Thats great news though i hope they change their procedure to use a cannula .

It s actuslly really positive that a company such androfill start doing ellanse. They are a leader in those kind of procedures and this will probably encourage many smaller clinic to start offering it and see thevtechnique improving.

Androfill clinic in UK now also offers ellanse...
These are the prices:
www.androfill.com/price-information/

So I think for the time being,there isn\'t many other places to go.Prices are actually quite similar compared to Dr. Oates\' clinic,so around 4000 euros on the average for 10 ml..
I think I might be going through with it. I just need a little more time to be 100% sure ,and of course to put just a little bit more money aside.

And no even one other PMMA doc in Europe?!For all of European guys who planning to go only for PMMA procedure and nothing other. Not for FFT, HA, Radiesse, Ellanse, MegaFill or other fillers, only for PMMA. What\'s your plan?1. Are you still considering to going to Dr.N despite her last cases with a bad outcomes?2. Going to Dr.C despite all specifical problems for European citizens, like travel distance, overall price, cost of plane tickets, troubles with visa for US and Mexico, etc?3. Buy somewhere PMMA and bring it to your local doc who already doing penis injections with other fillers and can make a PMMA injection for additional price? There\'s a note: where you can buy PMMA for private use and what\'s the quality of product?4. Or you will be just waiting for better solution (new PMMA doc in Europe) which will maybe never happen in the next 5 or even more years?Can someone make a poll with those options? I\'d make it myself, but don\'t know how lol.

To be fair, my assessment is from over two years ago when I was looking for a doctor for a different operation, so things could be different now. Sarmentero was on my list until I started digging into various Spanish forums (not entirely easy since he didn\'t show up on the larger sites) and directly talking to some of the patients. There was a pretty consistent trend of him being extremely nice until there was a problem, and then claming up. Lots of stories all \"I have a big issue with what he did and now he\'s not replying/the nurses are deflecting/I\'m left out in the cold\". That ended up turning me off.

Considering that Ellanse would be a process, rather than a one-off deal, I find that pretty concerning. At least enough that I\'d rather not be at the front line of testing things out with him myself.

chester wrote: Dr. Esteban Sarmentero. He\'s in Madrid. www.doctorsarmentero.com/

He\'ll do Ellanse in the penis. Call or email him for more info.

Hey this is actually pretty good news. Has anyone on the forum been to dr. Sarmentero ?

Dr. Esteban Sarmentero. He\'s in Madrid. www.doctorsarmentero.com/

He\'ll do Ellanse in the penis. Call or email him for more info.

I've googled it in the past but it doesn't seem there is anyone around.
And i think it's hard to convince some doctor to try it.
I've recently asked 3 Drs in Italy if they would inject me with Ellanse. All of them refused and want to either stick to their procedures (fat transfer and HA) or don't want to touch the penis at all (well in that case i asked to a doctor you usually use Ellanse, but in the face). And mind you, we were talking of a semi-permanent filler... :/

There is another issue.
Even if another Dr started giving PMMA, how many years of practice would he/she need to perfection it? Just wondering here, not sure how difficult the injection is, technically speaking.

About Dr.N, i cancelled her from the possibilities for me.
Not for an outcomes reason, there have been good/average/poor ones, but for the fact that she clearly consider US as a 'side' business and takes the right to ghost guys when problems arise. I wouldn't let a dog in troubles, how can she do that to her f patients? That shows no respect for us.
I've no idea how law works in Czech Republic, but i imagine it would be quite easy to sue a negligent doctor in Italy (or Germany, or Uk, or elsewhere). I've never had a Dr ghosting me , for much less important issues than a surgery in the penis. That's not acceptable.
Yet i totally understand the guys who went/will go to her, because i know where we come from.

I\'d go with Oates too, but he\'s not in Europe, where he\'d get a much better deal on Ellanse.