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Spuds1987 wrote: Has anyone here have any experience with Dr Carney. I believe I will have to get silicone removal done and was just wondering if any one has had this done. I unfortunately was ill informed and had what's was called "proprietary formula" injected... I later found out that it was silicone and some other unknown formulas. Was assured that it was safe. Long story short I developed an abscess and have been on antibiotics for about 40 days... I'm not draining anymore at the moment but I fear infection will come back. I still have a small hole in shaft that does not appear to be healing... My urologist has not been much help and referred me to another urologist.... Just looking for some advice.

Yes many have gone to Dr. Carney to have the silicone removed, I know this through both firsthand and secondhand information.

The issue is that most of those guys are almost certainly not logging in daily (most guys who have to deal with these matters usually rather not dwell on the subject post-removal), and you'd have to be lucky that both a former Carney-silicone-removal-patient happened to log in (or will log in the near future) AND come across this post.

Your best bet would be to reach out to Dr. Carney's office and ask if they have any former patients who have willingly provided their contact info in the event others needed to reach out for support/guidance.

Also, this is why Dr. Carney is so strongly recommended in this situation: (1) Most Urologists aren't necessarily versed in male phalloplasty (the field remains experimental, in other words, there is no Urological Textbook on how to properly enlarge the penis); (2) Dr. Carney is both a Reconstructive Urological Surgeon AND "phalloplastician" (as in, he's well versed in most medical penis enlargement methodologies); and (3) he's done these specific removals a number of times to make him as qualified as any to perform the procedure, so that should be some reassurance moving forward.

The Loria operation needs to be shut down. I just don't understand why he doesn't employ Hyaluronic Acid (HA), PMMA (Bellafill), Radiesse, Renuva, or Fat Transfer as his filler-of-choice; all those have been demonstrably efficacious, but for some unexplainable reason he (Loria) would prefer his silicone oil proprietary cocktail mix injections. I have some ideas as to why he still takes this asinine route, but I'd much prefer waiting to see what else comes down the pipeline first.

Best of luck.

@Dr_Tsay

Can remove with Kybella fat from a former (not satisfied) FFT ? You had patients like that already?

evolution10wrx wrote: better written, I want to increase the thickness of the penis in the healthiest and most FDA approved way.

As Dr. Sullivan pointed out, there is no FDA approved penis enlargement filler (or method) per-se. These dermal fillers (Hyaluronic Acid, PMMA, Ellanse, Radiesse, and Renuva) are used off-label into a layer of the penile shaft skin to create volume (simplest way of putting it). These fillers however, have been FDA approved for other specific reasons, none of which indicate girth enhancement, hence the off-label use (which is legal). I should note that Ellanse is still not FDA approved in the U.S. and is only available abroad.

In my personal opinion, Hyaluronic Acid (HA) is arguably the safest filler given that it already exists naturally in the body -- medical device manufacturers have cross-linked them to behave as dermal fillers to increase the volume of the skin. They are temporary in nature and somewhat reversible too with the use of a special enzyme to breakdown the filler if necessary. The trade-off with temporary fillers is that you will have to periodically top them off, and the rate at which HA breaks down/reabsorbs varies person to person. A safe bet is once a year, and you'll often times not need nearly as much volume to get back to your size-goal because not all of the HA will have diminished by then. I call this a trade-off because while you wish to seek out the safest option, you'll have to accept that maintenance comes along with it.

A counter example would be something permanent like PMMA (Bellafill in the U.S.). Due to its permanence, it can be very difficult and invasive to remove all of the PMMA in the event you have an undesirable result or complication. The trade-off here is that while it isn't as manageable as HA in terms of reversal/complications, you won't have to top it off periodically once you've achieved your final size goal. I should note that Bellafill is FDA approved and by and large is a safe filler too, relatively speaking.

So as you can see, some people prefer the peace of mind of HA in the event that they have undesirable results or complications because they are easier to manage, or would like to trial girth enhancement due to HA's temporary nature. On the flip side, permanent options like PMMA or dermal graft surgery offer a sort of "one & done" solution (with some potential subsequent touch-up appointments) which is a life-long convenience but can come with unforeseen challenges, despite complications being uncommon. You have to assess your own risk threshold, size goals, and what trade-offs are more compelling.

Boinkerz,

The topoff is usually done with Renuva which does not require the fat grafting (mini liposuction) procedure and the price would then depend on the amount or volume of renuva needed. Per 3 mL is $2150 so it can vary from 3ML to maybe upwards of 15ML depending on the deficit. As you can see the Renuva standalone for augmentation is not really cost effective. But used as a top off on top of fat transfer makes a lot of sense.

Dr. T

Dr_Tsay wrote: Boinkerz,

Regarding your question a "top off" after fat transfer is probably needed 30-40% of the time.

Regarding your comment that the penis does not have natural fat cells, it actually does. Not a lot as in ones lower abdomen, or "love handles" etc, but between the layers Bucks and Dartos fascia there is an "areolar" layer that does contain adipocytes or fat cells. That is the layer that we inject the fat and/or Renuva.

The reason I start with fat transfer and top off with Renuva is mainly a fiscal decision. Renuva can be extremely expensive and can add up quicky the more volume you add whereas your fat is free, and the fat transfer is only to cover the procedure itself. During a fat transfer I can add 50-70 ml of fat ( not all of it takes) but if you were to try to accomplish that with Renuva could cost tens of thousands of dollars. Just trying to keep fees reasonable. Not everyone is royalty from the middle east or a hedge fund manager... lol. Hope that helps.

Dr. T

Thank you Dr. Tsay! I guess my last question for now would be that in the 30% chance a top off is needed due to aesthetic unevenness, is it another full price FT procedure or is it reduced?

Appreciate your time!

Boinkerz,

Regarding your question a "top off" after fat transfer is probably needed 30-40% of the time.

Regarding your comment that the penis does not have natural fat cells, it actually does. Not a lot as in ones lower abdomen, or "love handles" etc, but between the layers Bucks and Dartos fascia there is an "areolar" layer that does contain adipocytes or fat cells. That is the layer that we inject the fat and/or Renuva.

The reason I start with fat transfer and top off with Renuva is mainly a fiscal decision. Renuva can be extremely expensive and can add up quicky the more volume you add whereas your fat is free, and the fat transfer is only to cover the procedure itself. During a fat transfer I can add 50-70 ml of fat ( not all of it takes) but if you were to try to accomplish that with Renuva could cost tens of thousands of dollars. Just trying to keep fees reasonable. Not everyone is royalty from the middle east or a hedge fund manager... lol. Hope that helps.

Dr. T

EricPig wrote:

Skeptical_One wrote: First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so this is not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

I agree with you to move on. I don’t really care to address many of the above comments since it will just keep this discussion going. However I do want to be clear that use of medications off label (the use of drugs outside the approved FDA intention) is in fact legal. Also to that point as the below link will highlight- doctors are not required to tell patients if the medications they are prescribing are being done in an “off label” manner. However Loria does.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/inf...on-medications/2012-

07#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20many%20physicians%20prescribe,of%20informed%20consent%20is%20introduced.

www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off...hat-you-need-to-know

I understand that to those who are not medical this might come as a shock but I just wanted to clear that up that it is not illegal. So please make sure your sticking to your word when you profess to be educated on these matters and putting down healthcare workers and their educations when it’s us who care for you and your loved ones.

I also wanna comment that I don’t think you’re a bad dude. I appreciate that you care and take a strong stance in your opinion. I do believe you truly dislike Loria and his practice and want to convince guys to avoid him. I completely disagree with your view but you’re entitled to feel how you do.
I encourage everyone to not take your word nor my word and to do their own research and speak to patients from all companies to get their experiences.

No one once disputed the use of dermal fillers off-label as being legal or illegal. Every Sponsor, like most cosmetic doctors & surgeons, use fillers off-label and the FDA is well aware and typically don't intervene. Many medications are prescribed off-label all the time. No one here is shocked, it's common knowledge and It doesn't take an ICU Nurse to know this... not only does this make you sound embarrassingly pretentious, but makes me believe you didn't bother to read a word I typed, and yet still had the audacity to reply with something that was never being argued in the first place.

My point overall was NOT about off-label use, but rather my suspicion that he's acquired (i.e. imported) non-FDA approved silicone oil, which would then make it a matter of legality. You would have known this if you read what I typed, but again, I feel like you're selectively ignoring details in my posts for whatever reason(??). The amount of volume he injects (60cc's-100cc's +) using Silikon1000 is cost prohibitive, yet he somehow offers competitive market rates for girth enhancement... this explains my skepticism about what he's injecting people with. I'm not claiming I know with certainty that this is going on, and maybe never will, but his history of being a liar and his reckless willingness of injecting silicone oil AT ALL in addition to the cost-per-volume disparity, who wouldn't ask questions?

My other contention was that silicone oil is a dangerous choice of filler for high volume in the penis from various credible sources over decades monitoring the topic of male phalloplasty. When the Penuma Implant has complications, you usually see it in the first year or two so you tend to see more negative reports more frequently; the scary part about something like silicone oil is that it can take 3, 5, or more years for serious complications to manifest. The lymphatic system is going to go through hell, especially if this isn't medical-grade silicone oil (even then it wouldn't matter a whole lot). Risks like silicone migration (embolisms are no joke), or granulomas that are much more difficult to treat because the matter is oil and not tissue, and so on, are real problems I hear about from credible sources.

In hopefully what will be my last summary on this matter: (1) silicone oil is bad as a penile filler and (2) I have suspicions of his actual filler concoction (despite my inability to prove it). Every other sane, ethical Doctor uses brand name fillers that come in neatly packaged boxes. Dr. Loria is now not only a "Cosmetic Surgeon" (which he isn't) but a Pharmaceutical Manufacturer as well? I mean, come on man.

This will be the third time I politely ask you resume the topic at hand, my response was made to clear up what was most definitely a misunderstanding on your part (off-label legality was never the issue). Now that I've cleared that up in addition to reiterating my sentiments in fewer paragraphs so that my stance is understood, and not something I care to argue, carry on. I don't think you're a bad person or an unappreciated forum member either, and I sincerely hope you don't ever have to deal with complications that stem from your injections (and maybe you never will) -- my comments were aimed at Loria and his quackery is all. Again, let's carry on.

Skeptical_One wrote: First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so this is not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

I agree with you to move on. I don’t really care to address many of the above comments since it will just keep this discussion going. However I do want to be clear that use of medications off label (the use of drugs outside the approved FDA intention) is in fact legal. Also to that point as the below link will highlight- doctors are not required to tell patients if the medications they are prescribing are being done in an “off label” manner. However Loria does.

journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/inf...on-medications/2012-

07#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20many%20physicians%20prescribe,of%20informed%20consent%20is%20introduced.

www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/features/off...hat-you-need-to-know

I understand that to those who are not medical this might come as a shock but I just wanted to clear that up that it is not illegal. So please make sure your sticking to your word when you profess to be educated on these matters and putting down healthcare workers and their educations when it’s us who care for you and your loved ones.

I also wanna comment that I don’t think you’re a bad dude. I appreciate that you care and take a strong stance in your opinion. I do believe you truly dislike Loria and his practice and want to convince guys to avoid him. I completely disagree with your view but you’re entitled to feel how you do.
I encourage everyone to not take your word nor my word and to do their own research and speak to patients from all companies to get their experiences.

First and foremost, my proclamations on the matter come from a multitude of respected physicians with considerably more authority on the subject, so these are not simply my own assumptions.

Secondly, Dr. Loria is a career liar. You have no idea how many times he changed up his vocabulary with respect to his filler and how quickly he'd change subjects. I've joined in on calls, and I've had members join in on conference calls, and he would just toss around gibberish assuming us (the "ignorant") would take his word for it. He would even throw around terms like "PMMA" and "Collagen production" and wouldn't even mention silicone at first. He's so evasive in fact, that there is a former patient on a separate PE forum who shared a story when in the hospital for his penis condition, that Loria refused to give the physicians information on what was injected. Can you believe that? This patient facing infection that could lead to sepsis, and Loria didn't have even the morality to do the right thing for his own patient because he's clearly got something to hide. I really try my hardest to refrain from name-calling as it is not befitting of an Administrator of a site discussing serious topics, but that was such a scumbag move on Loria's part and tells me everything I need to know about who he really is.

When I brought up him using the term "Cosmetic Surgeon," it wasn't meant to say that you need to be a surgeon to perform these procedures, it was to say he was lying about his medical background because he's in-fact NOT a surgeon in any capacity.

Yes, I received an email from his marketing rep, not himself obviously. He's too proud and stubborn to ever make the first move. I've defended Sponsors and Non-Sponsors alike. I'm open to new Sponsors. Ask yourself why I won't accept Loria? Why not take his money? Ask yourself why the vast majority of penis enlargement doctors don't include silicone oil as a filler option when they can use Silikon100 off-label? Do you really truly believe this Hair Restoration "specialist" has figured out what career-accomplished surgeons and urologists haven't?

Having followed the scene since 2005 and learned the nuances of the penis and these procedures from the Doctors themselves sort of actually does amount to the same kind of "credits" you'd need to earn to have some above-average understanding of the topic matter -- more so than a random "nurse" I'd contend. I've spent countless hours reading not only posts, but private messages, emails, and other modes of communication for well over a decade with both patients and Doctors (some of which were non-Sponsors). I've studied sexual medicine to the extent that I have a good understanding of anatomy and some of the physiologies involved, especially as it pertains to penis enlargement. Sure, I'm not a medical professional, but I do see myself as the most qualified Patient Educator there is (on matters of penis enlargement). Either way, my claims are made on the information provided to me by those who are in the know, and many of them.

Clearly your schooling has not made you any smarter on making good decisions in this respect, and I'm afraid not even a Doctorate will solve your inability to see the patterns of deception -- but I get it, the last thing you want to think about is having a ticking timebomb in your penis, so you have to double down on defending your poorly made decision by reassuring yourself that because you've had some medical training, that you're incapable of being scammed. You know, no one likes being scammed, it's a tough pill to swallow as a grown adult. Besides, an ICU Nurse? I seldom "LOL" on this forum but I know a few personally (ICU in fact), and I assure you they wouldn't have a damn clue about the nuances of penis enlargement, so kick rocks with that nonsense please.

Dr. Elist has been performing his botcheries circa 2009, and we all know how terrible his procedure is. Dr. Loria's patient count doesn't give him any points, all it tells me is that he's a sociopath for cash.

Yes, many of the Doctors I know of actually show the box, or at the very least, will have the box and serial number sticker per request.

You do realize that until he has FDA clearance, he's injecting you illegally, right?

Do you actually believe he changes the ratios of his filler ingredients per patient on the day of the procedure? Right there and then in his lab by just examining your penis? I mean that seems rather tedious, inefficient, and costly. Did you have to wait a while before he came into the room with the syringes? Seems bizarre if you ask me. If I were a gambling man, I'd wager a pretty penny he has a set ratio premade ready to go, largely that of silicone oil that is imported illegally in order to give him absurd profit margins. Last I checked, Silikon1000 was the 2nd most expensive filler, only behind Bellafill (PMMA), and looking at some price lists right now, may have exceeded that of Bellafill. To pump the kind of volumes you require with this type of filler (60cc's +) and keep his pricing market-competitive, I'm having a hard time believing he's using anything legally. But you just haven't asked yourself those kind of questions, have you? I'm trying to do you a favor here, if you can only see it.

What you ultimately fail to see is that this site promotes the efficacious methods of phalloplasty based on its history, the science/medicine behind it, and patient feedback. The PhalloBoards is the only site, community, and validated source (via physician education & endorsement) that has followed this niche topic, and has done so for 13 years. It isn't bias, it's reality. If it were bias, why would I provide my readership with different options like Alloderm, Surgimend, Ellanse, Hyaluronic Acid, Radiesse, PMMA (Bellafill AND Linnea Safe), Renuva, Fat Transfer, and so on? PRP and exosomes? Different regions, states, different countries? Do you think some of my Sponsors were thrilled that P-Long came along? Well, it was an alternative to phalloplasty for guys who like to do PE exercises. By encouraging healthy competition, I play a role in lowering market costs and incentivizing innovation among the leaders in phalloplasty. I have weekly/monthly calls and can't wait for them to share some advances made that I'm not at liberty to speak of at present time (because they need to be fully tested). I'm clearly taking the sides of methods I know don't possess unacceptable levels of risk based on a knowledge that you simply do not have -- if that's bias, fine, I'll concede that much. And yes, all elective procedures are not without risk, but there is a line that when crossed, becomes unacceptable.

If this wasn't an open free flow of information, wouldn't I have simply deleted your posts and banned you? If you want to continue insulting this forum and its community, then you can go take a hike. We've been very receptive to your experience(s), but I've stated on innumerable occasions that this site is a No-Silicone-Zone, and so whenever the procedure itself is promoted or recommended, I've made it a forum policy to provide the necessary information to many newcomers who are simply unaware. If hypothetically PMMA (known to be non-carcinogenic) were to somehow have a 100% direct causality with cancer, not only would most ethical Doctors discontinue its use, but those who choose not to would be admonished and black-listed.

I've seen enough emails of Loria patients begging for assistance, and Doctors telling me the nightmares they've seen fixing his garbage-excuse for work. This is also true for the Penuma (Elist implant). However, I just don't get that level of scary reporting from the aforementioned procedures I support (like HA and PMMA and so on). Those mostly deal with aesthetic issues that never impact the health and/or function of the penis.

Oof, the kind of skin grafts required to fix a Loria procedure gone wrong, or the severity of late stage granulomas with something so synthetic, or migration into other parts of the body... I know of a forum veteran who I won't mention that is experiencing illness that may be related to silicone oil according to some back-channel sources, if I get confirmation that the diagnosis is confirmed (or get him willing to acknowledge it here), I will.

Lastly, you told me you didn't want to argue, and I made clear my post was a PSA in response to what may have been an intentional or unintentional promotion of this procedure (citing patents give people the impression of legitimacy), and it wasn't necessarily to argue with you. I also asked in my last post that we carry on, because as you said yourself, you wish not to argue. Everything I've said has been factual, honest, and informed. The only thing I said that I can't prove (but believe the evidence is strongly in favor of) is my belief that he sources/imports silicone illegally because there is no way he's charging those prices for the amount of volume being injected, even in bulk. Everything else were facts, plain and simple.

Based on your insistence that there are no more arguments, I am politely asking everyone please resume the topic at hand.

Skeptical_One wrote:

EricPig wrote: @Odouble
Yeah no arguing please. Been there and I agree to disagree lol. I’m a Loria patient. He has his own patented filler with the main ingredient being Silikon 1000.

And yeah dude. She loves it! Trust me. They stretch.

His patent is a proprietary filler non-FDA approved. He's fucked over almost as many men as Dr. Elist. You're literally playing with fire by continuing to see a Doctor who was an overweight nutritionist, who then made his money on Hair Restoration despite balding, and now injects you with things that may or may not be legal. Dr. Loria is a scam and a disgrace to medicine.

You can choose to do what you do, but with the overwhelming advice of the only community that genuinely vets the validity & efficacy of these procedures, choose to ignore or carry on.

I turned down a sizeable amount of revenue when they approached me for Sponsorship. The man is a scourge and plague to this field of cosmetic medicine. The proverbial "sleazy car salesman" of penis enlargement.

Administrative Addition: Between Emails, Private Messages, and conversations with both Sponsors and non-Sponsors alike, I know of what goes on behind the scenes (and it pisses me off these patients won't come forward, and makes me convinced they sign off social media waivers), and he's actually regarded as worse than Dr. Elist, because at least Dr. Elist is a Urologist. Dr. Loria isn't qualified in the least.

The DECEPTION of silicone oil is that it is permanent and often yields aesthetic results. BUT ASK YOUR SELF JUST ONCE - if this product is available to every other credible Phallo-Doc off-label, why wouldn't they use it?

Silikon1000 made clear that this is not made for high volume and should be applied superficially via micro-droplet. I actually no longer believe Loria (from now on I refuse to honor the "Dr." prefix) uses Silikon1000, even if he shows you the box. You know the kind of profit margins you make by importing Chinese silicone oil and throwing around the word "collagen" to convince those who don't know any better that it's like PMMA? I mean, he makes less money if he offers HA, Renuva, Radiesse, or PMMA. He's playing with fire if he's creating a non-FDA approved substance in some Florida lab, if you wish to stay this reckless, by all means.

@Skeptical_One

Hey man I understand your stance and you have posted this before on my thread. I’m not going to argue anymore and I’d appreciate it if you would stop.

EricPig wrote: @Odouble
Yeah no arguing please. Been there and I agree to disagree lol. I’m a Loria patient. He has his own patented filler with the main ingredient being Silikon 1000.

And yeah dude. She loves it! Trust me. They stretch.

His patent is a proprietary filler non-FDA approved. He's fucked over almost as many men as Dr. Elist. You're literally playing with fire by continuing to see a Doctor who was an overweight nutritionist, who then made his money on Hair Restoration despite balding, and now injects you with things that may or may not be legal. Dr. Loria is a scam and a disgrace to medicine.

You can choose to do what you do, but with the overwhelming advice of the only community that genuinely vets the validity & efficacy of these procedures, choose to ignore or carry on.

I turned down a sizeable amount of revenue when they approached me for Sponsorship. The man is a scourge and plague to this field of cosmetic medicine. The proverbial "sleazy car salesman" of penis enlargement.

Administrative Addition: Between Emails, Private Messages, and conversations with both Sponsors and non-Sponsors alike, I know of what goes on behind the scenes (and it pisses me off these patients won't come forward, and makes me convinced they sign off social media waivers), and he's actually regarded as worse than Dr. Elist, because at least Dr. Elist is a Urologist. Dr. Loria isn't qualified in the least.

The DECEPTION of silicone oil is that it is permanent and often yields aesthetic results. BUT ASK YOUR SELF JUST ONCE - if this product is available to every other credible Phallo-Doc off-label, why wouldn't they use it?

Silikon1000 made clear that this is not made for high volume and should be applied superficially via micro-droplet. I actually no longer believe Loria (from now on I refuse to honor the "Dr." prefix) uses Silikon1000, even if he shows you the box. You know the kind of profit margins you make by importing Chinese silicone oil and throwing around the word "collagen" to convince those who don't know any better that it's like PMMA? I mean, he makes less money if he offers HA, Renuva, Radiesse, or PMMA. He's potentially playing with fire if he's creating a non-FDA approved substance in some Florida lab, if you wish to stay this reckless, by all means.

Thanks for answering all the questions Dr Tsay!

How often would you say a top off after a FT is needed? 50% of the time? A FT is something I would be interested in down the road, and there isn't much information available from my googling and searching these forums even.

I’m also interested in Renuva, and currently am leaning more toward that.

My concerns are that the penis is an area that doesn’t have natural fat cells, thus why a lot of fat transfers come out uneven. So I know you said that you would recommend a FT first and top off with Renuva, but would a FT’s success be higher if you started with Renuva to introduce a foundation of fat cells for the fat from the FT to plug into?

Thanks for your time Dr Tsay!

Momoney

Fasting such as intermittent fasting by itself does not necessarily harm Renuva placement or your own fat production from Renuva placement. However the fat that is made from injecting Renuva will behave just like your own fat, so any significant weight loss will affect the size of the adipocytes by making them smaller. On the contrary if one were to gain significant weight after receiving renuva, one should expect to see some girth increase due to the weight gain because the adipocyted now would have gotten larger.

It’s hard to give an exact quote for Remuva based on a 0.5-1 inch for girth improvement because each person has a different size starting out. 0.5 inch gain for someone that is 3 inch circumference will be a lot more significant in improvement than someone that is starting out at 4 inch girth size. Another variable would be baseline length. I’ve had patients that were very well endowed naturally with 8-10 inches length flaccid and 20 ml product did very little for their girth improvement. In general fat transfer is more cost effective if one has the fat to graft. If not then Renuva or HA fillers would be the only nonsurgical option.

Price per ml Renuva is more cost effective than HA fillers.

Hope this helps.
Dr. Tsay

Boinkers

Yes top offs are to either add more if someone has already had a fat transfer and would like more girth, or to address any unevenness from either HA filler or fat transfer. As much as we try to shoot for absolute perfection this is not always possible and so top offs can help to even things out. Grossly abnormal unevenness (“deformed”) is definitely not the norm and usually due to poor injector/doctor technique.

Hope this helps.
Dr. Tsay

Jess81 wrote: Many men’s clinics on TikTok are claiming permanent enhancement using collagen stimulating fillers. There’s also a few men’s clinics here in Denver that claim the same.
Is this true? Or is their definition of “permanent” flawed?

This is often the language I see associated with silicone injectors -- stay FAR AWAY!

Silicone oil is permanent and can even yield aesthetic results, but this is all very deceptive because silicone is also prone to migration and has a higher severity of complication if & when things go wrong. I've actively turned down prospective Sponsors who primarily inject silicone due to ethical concerns.

Of course you can always call and ask, but if they are dodgy with responses, simply hang up and move on. With so many viable options available for injectable phalloplasty (Hyaluronic Acid, PMMA, Ellanse, Radiesse, Renuva, and Fat Transfer), why even risk it?

Stay safe out there, start with PhalloBoards/Community-vetted Practitioners and peruse the Physician Directory, and don't settle for questionable practices with your one & only manhood!