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04 Aug 2024 05:50 | |
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I am very interested in Radiesse or Radiesse/HA blend. Say I have a Radiesse procedure/s done and then decide I want PMMA. How long would I theoretically have to wait. Would doctors avoid doing PMMA on me for years? |
31 Jul 2024 01:20 | |
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I'll chime in when I've got more than a second because I've had PMMA and then HA and did my digging and then had a consult about Radiesse. As far as Radiesse goes, I think
@LeonardoMedicine has the most experience so he may have insight. Quick ending is we played it safe because through all these off label uses HA seems to play very well with most fillers on the market. Silikon is obviously an exception to everything because... Well it is what it is. HA seems to just never really be an actual medical problem at all. But I'm no doc. Just fast history with mine. And for the quick read I have a fair bit of PMMA and have had a lot of HA and I've had zero issues with anything aside cosmetics or wanting more. |
30 Jul 2024 22:55 | |
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The Radiesse+Sculptra soundsl ike the best deal /to me/ - if you look at Leonardo's before/after/way-after photos, dudes are keeping more than half their gains for ~3 years. And there are people who WILL work with existing filler in significant amounts, different doctors have different risk tolerances for it. You might also find some docs say "go get the HA dissolved, let things settle for a month, then we'll do your PMMA". I can't speak for anyone, but that's within the realm of possibility. Lot of this is doctors not wanting to be wrongly blamed for someone else fucking up your dick because they were too optimistic about adding good filler atop bad. If I were in your shoes and couldn't leave the state, I'd find an affordable, legitimate HA injector, get a base layer of HA, have some fun with it for ~2 years, then when it's mostly gone and you can travel out of state, go to a PMMA provider who's good with your existing work. In my case the HA gave them more room to inject, after it had worn off and left its gap. |
30 Jul 2024 22:32 | |
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Damn, that’s a good insight. It would make sense that a doctor wouldn’t want to do a PMMA procedure with other filler lingering. So far I’ve had 3 consultations. One was for a “platinum procedure” that used 15% silicone. I’m not really considering it after reading about silicone on here. The second one was the only guy im aware of in Arizona who does PMMA. He is a chiropractor. He and his office did not instill confidence. The third consult was great, and that doctor Radiesse & Sculptra. I’m just not convinced i would keep much of the gains and I think I’d be mentally worse off to watch myself go backwards and not be able to afford to keep getting topped off. Hmm, this continues to be a tough decision. If anyone is aware of a doctor in AZ who does PMMA, I’d be happy to check him out. Thanks. |
30 Jul 2024 16:22 | |
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My two bits (which I'm happy to have shot down, I speak NOT as an authority of any sort!) - have a look at the longevity Dr Leonardo is getting from the Radiesse+HA blend phalloboards.info/forum/leonardo-medicin...iller-longevity.html There are guys going in after ~3 years who have lost a tiny fraction. This is good if you plan on going with the blend indefinitely But COULD be bad if you plan on eventually going with PMMA, as not every clinic is going to be cool with layer PMMA over the top of HA. I waited a good 3 years after my Juvederm (HA) procedure to get PMMA, so the original HA filler was almost entirely gone. But mine wasn't blended with Radiesse - if it had been, I would likely still have too much to work around. If you're going to roll with PMMA down the road, I would just go straight HA for now if anything. I know Dr Leonardo has worked with putting a Radiesse+HA blend atop guys with preexisting PMMA (which is what I believe justn8 has), but if there are others on the board who do so I haven't seen it. But whatever Dr Leonardo is doing is getting pretty legit longevity from the blend, just a question of how annoyed you'd be with infrequent top-up procedures. |
30 Jul 2024 15:57 | |
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It appears some fillers can be mixed (whether simultaneously, or one subsequently after another by a period of time), but it's hard to say (and unsubstantiated due to sample size as far as I'm concerned, and largely preferential) if any mix/combination of filler is more optimal than one filler alone. As for whether or not you have to wait until your girth is back to its baseline before getting PMMA -- this is at the discretion of the Clinic you receive PMMA from; in other words, you'll have to reach out and consult for a specific answer in this regard. |
30 Jul 2024 14:59 | |
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Thanks for your response. I believe Dr. Craft mixes HA with Radiesse. I’m on probation and cant leave the state for possibly another 18 months. Maybe I can get a temporary filler and then travel for PMMA when I’m able. If I go this route, would I have to wait until my girth is back at baseline before receiving PMMA? |
30 Jul 2024 13:33 | |
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We don't get too many Radiesse filler reports here, and more times than not I've come across it being mixed (with other fillers/implants) -- it is a temporary filler but how long it lasts in the shaft is hard to say due to a lack of a sample size patient reporting. That said, it can & does work, and is FDA approved in the U.S. (albeit being used off-label). For PMMA, if you're in Arizona, a quick trip to Avanti Derma is within reason and they are an optimal provider. |
29 Jul 2024 22:53 | |
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Hi im new to the forum and have some questions . I was a member of thundersplace back in the day. I’m considering getting radiesse filler from doctor craft in Phoenix, Arizona. With its effects on collagen, would any of the gains from Raidesse hang around long term? Guys that have had Radiesse? Are you happy with it? How long did your girth remain? Can anyone recommend a doctor in Arizona that does PMMA? Thanks |
12 Jul 2024 04:24 | |
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Very good info, thanks Doc! The patients above are still substantially (to me) above baseline when they return for follow-on procedures, with great aesthetics suggesting no uneven degradation. WIth my HA I'm still...maybe 1/8" above baseline 3 years on. I guess these Radiesse microspheres themselves are sticking around longer VS just a quick hit of new collagen that stays indefinitely. Whatever collagen lingers with whatever filler, sounds like if nothing else the stretched skin is going to make subsequent procedures easier after degradation IF, there isn't a ton of fibrosis. Not that you employ the Leroy Jenkins injection technique once you get added space from stretched skin regardless, but still, sounds like those of us who did a "test drive" with HA put ourselves in a good position for longer lasting fillers down the road, possibly, with the caveats around fibrosis. |
12 Jul 2024 00:59 | |
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@itgoesthud
there are studies that demonstrate collagen production as a result of HA filler, but not anywhere close to what you achieve with Radiesse or Sculptra. I'd say it is pretty much negligible. My augmentations are predominately performed with a Radiesse blend. Rarely do I use exclusively HA. As such, I don't have much to say about their longevity. Those few patients have returned sooner than their anniversary. They still retained some volume but not all. Skin will stretch and be able to accommodate more filler over time. It may be prudent to stage large volume augmentations. Degraded filler is pretty much gone. The body clears it after the native hyaluronidase breaks it down unless it is trapped in a confined space. Often if an area has poor circulation, then their is less exposure to hyaluronidase such that HA may linger much longer compared to an area that is highly vascular like the penis. I place product deep such that skin thickness is irrelevant. Repeat procedures may be more challenging due to fibrosis though. This can be a result of the natural response to needle/cannula trauma or as a result of the body's reaction to the product that was injected. Some repeat patients have very little fibrosis, while others may have more. Hope this helps. |
27 Jun 2024 03:38 | |
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This topic was imbedded within a conversation but thought it deserved its own post. Most people think that hyaluronic acid (HA) fillers last only 6-12 months but there are facial ultrasound (US) studies that confirm HA filler actually lasts much longer, sometimes even 2-3 years after depending upon where it is injected. Often it is still occupying space but not doing its job quite as well as freshly injected. It may be subject to degradation, swelling, and migration. There are facial studies that demonstrate the collagen formed from Radiesse is present in 40% of patients at 2yrs. This means it has dissipated in 60% of patients. As time goes on a small percentage of the 40% will continue to 2.5yrs and beyond. I've had 3 patients return 32mos after penis filler with my Radiesse-HA blend. All 3 were still girthier than their baseline measurements. 2 of these patients were aware they were still bigger. 1 of the 3 thought it had all dissipated, however, his comparison measurements showed quite the contrary. Most guys over time will forget how they started and think it’s all gone because everyday is a new baseline. It’s important to keep photographs with measurements to be objective. Not everyone will have this longevity. Filler is subject to mechanical breakdown from masturbation and intercourse. If it’s in more demand, naturally it will dissipate faster. Chances are you will top off before all the product has been fully absorbed. If budget is not an issue, guys will typically repeat anywhere from 4-12 months. “It’s rather addictive” is often heard at my office. I've attached a few photo comparisons. Generally speaking for my before and after photos, If you see steri-strips (thin adhesive strips) on the penis, it is immediately after. If there are no steri-strips, then it is at least 2 weeks after procedure but dates have also been provided in a few of these samples. Contact my office for more information: info @leonardomedicine .com or 1-647-223-4436 |
24 Jun 2024 15:50 | |
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Providers are most comfortable with using Hyaluronic Acid (HA) filler for their augmentation procedure. It’s forgiving in that mistakes and adverse events can be reversed. Aesthetic injectors are introduced to HA fillers then with more experience advance to semi-permanent or even permanent (I do not use permanent products). My initial choice of penile filler was Radiesse, calcium hydroxylapatite (Ca-Ha). I like that Ca-Ha is biocompatible, typically avoids an immune response (therefore, less prone to granuloma formation), and forms Collagen Type 1 & 3 along with Elastin. It is essentially a synthetic material that eventually becomes you such that it behaves and feels like flesh. HA is hydrophilic. It draws and retains water such that it may feel bulky but spongy depending on product choice and placement. One intimidating aspect of Ca-Ha is that it may lead to nodule formation, development of a firm ball or lump. Most of the time these are self-limiting and require no action. They will eventually go away on their own at their own time whether it is weeks to months. Ca-Ha is highly viscoelastic and stands head and shoulders above any HA product on the market. This means that it is stiff and excellent for contouring bony structures like the cheeks, chin, and mandible. For areas of the body with thin skin (lips and the under eye), it is contraindicated. This makes Ca-Ha a strange choice for the penis as the skin here can be thin as well. However, when Ca-Ha is blended down with Normal Saline, the product becomes softer and less bulky but it is still capable of creating Collagen 1 &3 and Elastin. If diluted too much, it no longer provides filling capabilities but it acts more like a skin conditioner. As early as 2019, I tried various dilutions with exclusively Ca-Ha. I had very good results. The only problem at the time was that Ca-Ha tends to swell and often the bulk immediately after procedure did not amount to the same retained volume making a second stage common and to be expected. Jani van Loghem, MD, one of the world leading experts in Radiesse, saw my work and was impressed with this off label cutting edge indication. He invited me to author the penile augmentation chapter of his forthcoming text book devoted specifically to Ca-Ha, “Calcium Hydroxylapatite Soft Tissue Fillers: Expert Treatment Techniques.” The book was released in the Fall of 2020. During the pandemic, I was invited twice to appear on his Live Webinars, Calcium Hydroxylapatite Expert Innovations. There were two other key figures that appeared on his webinar, Drs. Nabil Fakih and Jonathan Kadouch. They presented their work on blending Ca-Ha with HA filler for facial aesthetics. They demonstrated the safety of the perfect marriage of fillers. The hybrid took on the best characteristics of each component. The hybrid was bulky because of the HA component. It had increased longevity due to the development of collagen and elastin. The skin quality also improved. Adverse events were few, basically bruising, swelling, and self-limiting nodules (0.6%) . Their work was published later in the year. Shortly after their presentation, on Jan 22, 2021 I reached out to Dr. Fakih regarding penile augmentation using a hybrid filler. He had no experience with penile augmentation but was very interested in my technique and the outcome. 3 days later, I performed possibly the world’s first Radiesse-HA Hybrid Penile Augmentation. My technique and formulation have changed and is constantly being perfected. I have had over 4 yrs experience with the hybrid blend. It has a high satisfaction rate. Complications are uncommon and easily managed as the hybrid is dissolvable to an extent. If you are concerned or intimidated by others who have had poor outcomes with Radiesse, this does not apply to my practice. I’d encourage you to contact my office for more information: info @leonardomedicine .com or 1-647-223-4436 Attached are some of the conversations exchanged between Dr. Fakih and myself. |
23 Jun 2024 18:45 | |
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I've been a patient of Dr. Leonardo in Toronto (
leonardomedicine.com/ ) since 2021, and a lurker on phalloboards and it's previous versions even longer. Now that I've seen some other reviews for Dr. Leonardo pop up, I've decided to leave one as well since my experience with him has been great, and I hope others in Toronto can benefit from his services as well. Not all doctors offering penile augmentation in Toronto are so talented, so I've been lucky to find one locally that I can rely on. I go for hybrid radiesse/HA injections every 4-5 months and it allows me to maintain the girth and appearance I'm looking for. What impresses me most is how Dr. Leonardo makes the entire experience straightforward and ensures the results look natural and appealing. I don't respond well to trimix so he injects me flaccid, and the erect results still look great. Years before I had tried the P-Shot and the other doctor was not nearly as skilled, so I was particularly impressed that there were no complications with Dr. Leonardo's work. His clinic is designed for discretion and comfort. He has a couple of rooms that he uses for medical procedures, plus a washroom, a little kitchenette and an office area. When you first come in, he reviews what your expectations are with you, then he takes you into the procedure room for some topical numbing followed by the nerve block. The room he does the procedure in is bright with modern equipment, and he's pleasant to talk to during the procedure. For my injections the whole procedure takes a little under 2 hours, and I honestly find it relaxing which seems strange to say considering I'm talking about penile injections lol. I whole heartedly recommend Dr. Leonardo. Like I said, I do hope others looking for penile augmentation in Toronto can benefit from his services instead of wasting their time with some of the less reliable clinics. I couldn't be happier with my experience. |
22 Jun 2024 00:28 | |
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The procedure cost is priced per syringe. Each 1.5mL Radiesse syringe is $800. Each 1mL syringe of HA filler is $600. The starting baseline procedure entails injecting 2 syringes of HA in the distal shaft (right below the neck of the penis on the shaft further away from the body) while the remainder of the shaft is injected with a hybrid blend of Radiesse + HA such that each Hybrid is priced at $1400. The new MINIMUM VOLUME for procedure is 2 HA + 3 Hybrids. This equates to 9.5mL of volume. Regular Price is $5400, but is now discounted to $4000. After this minimum volume, an additional hybrid (2.5mL) is priced at $700, an extra 1mL HA syringe is $300. We are further discounting glans filler (only HA filler is used here) such that 5mL of HA, typically $1500, is now discounted to $1200. REPEAT PROCEDURES start with 2 hybrids, typically $2800, but discounted to $2000. After this minimum volume, an additional hybrid (2.5mL) is priced at $700, extra 1mL HA syringe is $300. HA ONLY AUGMENTATION start at 10mL for $4000 (down from $6000). After this minimum volume, an additional 1mL HA syringe is $300. REPEAT HA ONLY PROCEDURES start with 5mL, typically $3000, but discounted to $2000. After this minimum volume, an additional 1mL HA syringe is $300. PRP FROM A 30mL BLOOD DRAW may be combined with HA augmentation for an additional $800. ****** ALL QUOTED PRICES ARE IN CAD AND SUBJECT TO 13% SALES TAX WHICH WE CAN OFFSET WITH CASH PAYMENT******* ****** FOR OUR US CUSTOMERS, WE WILL CONVERT CAD TO EQUIVALENT USD. WE ACCEPT PAYPAL, VENMO, ZELLE, and USD******** ****** PRICES ARE SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE. ONCE WE AGREE UPON A TREATMENT PLAN AND A DEPOSIT HAS BEEN MADE, WE WILL HONOR THE PROPOSED DISCOUNT UP TO 60DAYS OF PLACING A DEPOSIT************* |