TOPIC: Avanti round 1 7/17

Longjourney wrote:

Rejuvall wrote:

The calculator at Rejuvall is garbage imo.

Please keep in mind that our calculator is based off of our clinic's data and the gains Rejuvall patients have seen. Also please keep in mind it is based on the particular products we use and the volume is based off of the volume of the pre-loaded syringes for Revanesse Versa and Bellafill respectively.

I didn’t mean to tag you but here is some examples. If you inject HA you get what you put in right? I understand it hydrates but not to this extreme. In this example I used the length of shaft since that’s what’s injected. 30 cc’s of HA becomes 157 cc’’s of volume? Show me someone who went from 5.5” Girth to 7” off 18 ml’s of Bellafill. If I change it to 6” length it is still 6.75” Girth. If reports were like that on this forum you would have a waiting list a year long. I am not trying to say anything negative about the Dr or the company. To me it’s one of the top facilities in the world. I just can’t accept this calculator.

I agree that calculator is garbage. From what I’ve experienced my past 4 rounds or so, it’s basically a dice roll for me. I hate that I’m not able to calculate when I’m gonna be done with this little project of mine. lol

I didn’t mean to tag you but here is some examples. If you inject HA you get what you put in right? I understand it hydrates but not to this extreme. In this example I used the length of shaft since that’s what’s injected. 30 cc’s of HA becomes 157 cc’’s of volume? Show me someone who went from 5.5” Girth to 7” off 18 ml’s of Bellafill. If I change it to 6” length it is still 6.75” Girth. If reports were like that on this forum you would have a waiting list a year long. I am not trying to say anything negative about the Dr or the company. To me it’s one of the top facilities in the world. I just can’t accept this calculator.

I agree that calculator is garbage. From what I’ve experienced my past 4 rounds or so, it’s basically a dice roll for me. I hate that I’m not able to calculate when I’m gonna be done with this little project of mine. lol

@Tmartin304 @Longjourney Thanks for pointing this out, and for taking the time to include screenshots. You're right; the calculator isn’t outputting the right numbers, and I've already talked to our developers about correcting the coding.

That said, dismissing it as “garbage” ignores the fact that we’re actively trying to replace speculation with tools based on medical data from real procedures. We built the tool using actual post-procedure measurement data from board-certified urologists who perform these procedures every day, not guesses or forum math. If it isn’t working the way it should, that’s valid feedback, but there’s a big difference between constructive correction and dismissing clinical data outright.

If your goal is to help improve resources for the community, we’re all ears. If the goal is just to dunk on anything that comes from a urology-based men's sexual health clinic, that’s not a constructive use of anybody’s time.

Since you both clearly care about this topic and want a tool that actually works: besides fixing the math, are there other features, tools, or resources you wish existed, either in a calculator or elsewhere? If we’re going to put time into building something, we’d rather it be genuinely useful to the people using it.

Bottom line: we’ll review and revise the tool so the output reflects reality. In the meantime, if there are specific data points or formats you think would make it more useful, feel free to share them respectfully, and we’ll see what we can do to add them.

Rejuvall wrote:

I didn’t mean to tag you but here is some examples. If you inject HA you get what you put in right? I understand it hydrates but not to this extreme. In this example I used the length of shaft since that’s what’s injected. 30 cc’s of HA becomes 157 cc’’s of volume? Show me someone who went from 5.5” Girth to 7” off 18 ml’s of Bellafill. If I change it to 6” length it is still 6.75” Girth. If reports were like that on this forum you would have a waiting list a year long. I am not trying to say anything negative about the Dr or the company. To me it’s one of the top facilities in the world. I just can’t accept this calculator.

I agree that calculator is garbage. From what I’ve experienced my past 4 rounds or so, it’s basically a dice roll for me. I hate that I’m not able to calculate when I’m gonna be done with this little project of mine. lol

@Tmartin304 @Longjourney Thanks for pointing this out, and for taking the time to include screenshots. You're right; the calculator isn’t outputting the right numbers, and I've already talked to our developers about correcting the coding.

That said, dismissing it as “garbage” ignores the fact that we’re actively trying to replace speculation with tools based on medical data from real procedures. We built the tool using actual post-procedure measurement data from board-certified urologists who perform these procedures every day, not guesses or forum math. If it isn’t working the way it should, that’s valid feedback, but there’s a big difference between constructive correction and dismissing clinical data outright.

If your goal is to help improve resources for the community, we’re all ears. If the goal is just to dunk on anything that comes from a urology-based men's sexual health clinic, that’s not a constructive use of anybody’s time.

Since you both clearly care about this topic and want a tool that actually works: besides fixing the math, are there other features, tools, or resources you wish existed, either in a calculator or elsewhere? If we’re going to put time into building something, we’d rather it be genuinely useful to the people using it.

Bottom line: we’ll review and revise the tool so the output reflects reality. In the meantime, if there are specific data points or formats you think would make it more useful, feel free to share them respectfully, and we’ll see what we can do to add them.

First let me state my choice of word “garbage” was a bit harsh but I’m a straight forward guy. It would be great to have a tool that helped people and was more accurate. I would just use geometry. Build a tool that has inputs for length of shaft, circumference and volume. Be able to use both cm and inches. As you start with length and circumference it will give you total volume. You can then have an added cc or ml value that will then calculate new volume and show the new circumference.

I've made an excel spreadsheet for myself that has some similar modeling (it was primarily a calculator for converting 10% + 30% PMMA to just PMMA volume) if it helps as a baseline, I've seen about 11cc volume per cc just PMMA.

It's in too much of a mashed up state to share publicly, been trying to estimate different rounds applying for different lengths as PE stretching effects length/different rounds focus on different areas

@Longjourney @curiousBetsy Thank you for your help, but I don't want to hijack this post that's about Avanti. If y'all want to DM me or start a new thread, I'm more than happy to discuss this further and get your input. Thanks!

8 week update- down to 6” around. Things seem to have firmed up this last week. Super frustrating to still be losing ground though. I know that Gains aren’t linear, but I was really hoping that double the product would leave me at double the gains this round just to get me comfortably in range of 6.5”for the next round. I’m going to do one more round for sure and I might just leave it there depending on where I get with that. If I only get a quarter of an Inch, the marginal return on investment of spending another 15 or 20,000 or more dollars trying to get to 7” around won’t be worth it. I didn’t think I’d be at 6” around after round 2 when I started this journey after reading all of the logs on here and the old forum. Definitely would have asked for more on round one if I could have known.

Ultimately I’m pretty happy with the results so far but it’s probably not really worth it unless you have a lot of money or a lot of insecurities (I’m in the latter group)

Personally I think it’s appropriate to dismiss the calculator as garbage. IMO it’s worse than garbage because it’s misleading. You guys should have taken proper care before publishing. It’s basically just a marketing sham for your product until it works.

If I had a calculator that didn’t work it’s going into the garbage.

And as someone who does software development but am by no means a software developer by trade I’m concerned that your PAID developers couldn’t get a simple calculator right. Writing a calculator program is an early milestone in the majority of software developers careers.

@Rejuvall

Ianboss wrote: 8 week update- down to 6” around. Things seem to have firmed up this last week. Super frustrating to still be losing ground though. I know that Gains aren’t linear, but I was really hoping that double the product would leave me at double the gains this round just to get me comfortably in range of 6.5”for the next round. I’m going to do one more round for sure and I might just leave it there depending on where I get with that. If I only get a quarter of an Inch, the marginal return on investment of spending another 15 or 20,000 or more dollars trying to get to 7” around won’t be worth it. I didn’t think I’d be at 6” around after round 2 when I started this journey after reading all of the logs on here and the old forum. Definitely would have asked for more on round one if I could have known.

Ultimately I’m pretty happy with the results so far but it’s probably not really worth it unless you have a lot of money or a lot of insecurities (I’m in the latter group)

Maybe I missed it but not seeing what you got injected round 1. Your length definitely will take more than average plus you started at 5.5 Girth. Like I said previously, measure your shaft to bottom of glans and use a cylinder calculator. Change the circumference to what you want and see how much volume it will take. I started with 5.5 Girth on a 4” shaft. Gained 1/2” on 15cc of 30% and 7cc 10% if I recall. Second rnd 21cc of 30% still healing so TBD.

@Ianboss

Personally I think it’s appropriate to dismiss the calculator as garbage. IMO it’s worse than garbage because it’s misleading. You guys should have taken proper care before publishing. It’s basically just a marketing sham for your product until it works.

If I had a calculator that didn’t work it’s going into the garbage.

And as someone who does software development but am by no means a software developer by trade I’m concerned that your PAID developers couldn’t get a simple calculator right. Writing a calculator program is an early milestone in the majority of software developers careers.

I understand your frustration. Again, this post is about Avanti Derma, so it's not an appropriate place for this discussion. I have started a thread with the updated calculator here: phalloboards.info/forum/gallery-carney/1...irth-calculator.html where you are more than welcome to leave your respectful feedback if you feel the math behind the educational tool still isn't right.

I feel like I should revisit my earlier statement about the value of the operation. Im overall very glad that it worked and that I still have a relatively normal functioning penis that is now well above average thanks to Avanti Derma.

I think I would “recommend it to a friend” on the understanding this is definitely not a one and done deal. I probably would not recommend this to someone who is very prone to nervousness. But im glad i did it