TOPIC: Wet my other post (now locked) about my prostate

In my other thread I was just trying to post that PMMA was found in my lymph nodes during my prostate cancer surgery (I had radical robotic prostatectomy).. The surgeon explicitly said PMMA was in my lymph nodes. I never said my prostate cancer was Due to PMMA. The surgeon said he didn\'t think it was the PMMA ... but if I had to do it again, if I knew PMMA can migrate to lymph nodes and live there forever... I wouldn\'t have gotten PMMA... no Frinking way.

Anyone going to get this PMMA procedure should understand this migration.

Good luck.

Zzarth

darkstaff wrote: In my other thread I was just trying to post that PMMA was found in my lymph nodes during my prostate cancer surgery (I had radical robotic prostatectomy).. The surgeon explicitly said PMMA was in my lymph nodes. I never said my prostate cancer was Due to PMMA. The surgeon said he didn\'t think it was the PMMA ... but if I had to do it again, if I knew PMMA can migrate to lymph nodes and live there forever... I wouldn\'t have gotten PMMA... no Frinking way.

Anyone going to get this PMMA procedure should understand this migration.

Good luck.

Zzarth

So you are saying that you would have got the cancer anyway?

In which case, isn\'t PMMA irrelevant to the story?

Also, been doing research on what exactly PMMA is. You know it\'s used in glass making, etc., right?

Guys, just keep this discussion about the lymph nodes. I didn\'t lock the other thread or even discuss it with SO, but I\'m pretty sure I know why he chose to lock it. I got 7 PM\'s from guys who have PMMA yesterday asking my opinion and naturally they were really concerned. Personally I don\'t think the 2 things are related but I\'m not an expert. We\'ve got to be considerate to others here and remember a ton of members have PMMA and thus speculatory hysteria will cause a lot of stress and anxiety.

As concerns the lymph node issue in my particular case it would be illogical to worry too much about that as I\'ve already had several medical tattoos in that area to cover up scarring.

My surgeon explicitly said he DID NOT think my cancer was due to PMMA.

I am sorry for any misunderstanding.

I did have a FBG after my PMMA injection... and had it removed... I am one of those guys who had an adverse reaction.

My point was it was in my lymph nodes.... should there be concern related to this migration?

I\'ll share my pathology report to anyone who wants.

My prostate was very inflammed.... it wasn\'t a infection,...

If you want to see my prostate cancer story, it\'s here

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=35&m=3672808

I\'m Zzarth on healing well.

Dark

Firstly I am very sorry for the news. I followed your story in the past and hoped the best for you, but I\'m sure you will pull through fine.

With regards to the PMMA in our lymph nodes, yes I think this is a very important development.

Can you please elaborate, which lymph nodes (groin/ inguinal only?) How much material was found? Did the doctor say anything else, how and when he thought it got there? I think you should ask the doctor if there is concern, but you and him obviously have more important things to focus on, but this may be significant. The medical consensus has always been migration is impossible if the spheres are produced correctly.

If there was definitely PMMA in your lymph nodes, it either means 1) the spheres you received were defective, too small and were eaten by macrophages and carried away into other parts of your body which is exactly what is not supposed to happen and may be a major problem, 2) the injection process itself was mishandled and some amount of PMMA actually entered your blood stream during the procedure - though luckily not enough to cause anything acutely serious - also a problem, or 3) the entire theory about non-migration and collagen walling off the beads is incorrect at some rate of patient complication which is also a problem.

This needs to be discussed further and should probably be out in the general discussion forum for others to see.

If you are are willing can you tell us what your doctor said, and if possible- not wanting to scare you- but for your own sake request a chest CT scan or radiograph to see if there are any PMMA embolisms in your lungs when you are in a better place after the prostate issues. Again not to scare you, It seems from what I read that migration to the lung arteries is a very low probability complication rate in other procedures and even the few people with bead embolisms don\'t have any noticeable health effects so it\'s apparently viewed as harmless, but it would be good to know if migration did in fact occur. That would give all of reason to consider getting looked at.

I believe you already had chest scans when you were going through your AFIB issues, so if those came up clear you probably don\'t have migration elsewhere, but for sake of knowledge and peace of mind you may want to actively look for it this time.

Similarly if you are up for it, see if it is possible to biopsy other lymph nodes for a sample.

All of this is probably unnecessary, and if your doctor at the time did not mention any follow up or thinks this isn\'t the time that\'s understandable, but learning more about this is important.

Either way, I guess PMMA is the least of your worries now, and I hope you get well soon.
Thanks for the info you\'ve given the board, as someone who is seriously considering removal in the next year or so I appreciate it.

The PMMA isn\'t defective, we know there is a small percentage of beads in Metacrill and LS that are small enough to migrate. When I asked Dr Lemperle about this he didn\'t see what the big deal was as plastic particles are often found around the lungs of older people without causing any harm.

When I posted about my tattoos one of our members who is a tattoo artist sent me a PM:

\"Hey there,
I wanted to pm you my two cents as I didn\'t feel comfortable posting this publicly because it directly correlates to my job. As a moderator, feel free to do with this info as you please.

Ok, I own a tattoo shop and I also tattoo (16 years experience).
In autopsies, heavily tattooed people have BLACK lymph nodes. The tattoo ink that makes it to the subcutaneous layer of skin is absorbed by the body. The lymphs try to filter the product in the blood stream and \"stain\" the glands(for lack of a better term).
In NO WAY has tattoo ink EVER directly caused cancer due to its ingredients in any part of the body despite living in the lymphs forever. If there was even a .001% chance it could, tattooing would be deregulated and illegal.
The body will naturally try to filter out any foreign substance any way it can, so of course PMMA resides in the lymph. I would bet money any other guy with PMMA that had this test would find it is in theirs as well.

Hopefully this helps a bit, or at least adds a positive footnote.\"

We know CHL had a painful experience with PMMA in the lymph nodes, as he posted about it. If you read about people who get tattoos on their head to replicate the shaven look, occasionally they report the same thing CHL did.

So when I got the medical tattoos on my actual penis, I knew there was a high probility some to the pigments would end up in my lymph nodes.

Hey CHL - thanks for the info. It\'s not too surprising to me... the PMMA beads aren\'t firmly locked in place for a 2-3 weeks or so. So, the body may try to get rid of it through lymphatic drainage. I don\'t know the diameter of lymph channels and PMMA beads,though... but I thought the lymph channels were much smaller actually.

It sounds like the body is doing what it is supposed to be doing, and I think PMMA in the lymph nodes is sort of a toss up - if it is bad or not. It\'s an inert thing...not like cancer cells. Did your doc say it was bad? The stuff goes everywhere, I have learned... particularly in the skin / superficial areas.

Hoodle, what kind of medical tattoos did you have? I was thinking about this for some of the scars I have...but scars don\'t really like tattoo ink (it\'s hard to get it done right).

Yea, starting a thread in light of me locking another one isn\'t exactly a good way to go about things. If you can keep this topic explicitly about the lymph node topic (as Hoddle pointed out), I\'ll let it stand, for now.

Hiya. Your other thread is still locked. I would be interested in this pathology report. Any updates yet? Cheers

olafspo wrote: Hiya. Your other thread is still locked. I would be interested in this pathology report. Any updates yet? Cheers

His pathology report is in his sig at the forum he linked above.

Thanks

Hey guys

I\'ve gotten a few PM\'s about my deglove procedure so I thought I would do a quick follow-up here on this thread ... and give everyone a update.

First, things are going well. I\'m cancer free. Prostate is gone, but I have ED ... however I still can masterbate, and achieve a orgasim like before... just different... I urinate when I orgasim, but again, cancer free.

The deglove process was really not bad... for people out there who are freaking out, or having complications, the 1 thing I can tell you is to calm down mentality. Listen to the experts here ... these guys litterally saved my life back in 2013 ... and it\'s a great source of info and help.

But, if you are like me and have had a bad reaction and want to get the deglove ... do it... I recovered fully... no complications, other than the stress, which caused AFIB ... really sucked.

Also, the PMMA in my lymph nodes and my cancer are unrelated. PMMA has lived in peoples bodies for years and it doesn\'t cause anything... my swelling was gone after the PMMA was removed, so I dont think it was that... so fear not ye adventurers of Penile enhancement with PMMA

Miss ya guys ... big shouts out to Hoodle and the rest of the gang here --- you guys saved my life.

Darkstaff

darkstaff wrote: PMMA has lived in peoples bodies for years and it doesn\'t cause anything.

Darkstaff, glad to hear the cancer is gone, although I\'m not sure I can agree with the aforementioned statement. Empirical evidence from this board indicates that, in applications involving high impact, such as the penis, ongoing inflammation and swelling are common, even years after the procedure. Repeated ongoing inflammation in the body is not healthy.

darkstaff wrote: my swelling was gone after the PMMA was removed, so I dont think it was that.

Seriously? Remind me not to hire you to solve the mystery, if someone manages to steal my coveted Bathmate Hydromax X30.

Good to hear Darkstaff!

Are you using injections to get erections? Using something like that is important to prevent loss of length.


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