TOPIC: PMMA BEFORE or AFTER hanging?

Hello everyone. I apologize if this topic has been asked before. I am new to this site. There is so much information floating around, so I figure I would ask all my questions in one thread instead of responding to individual topics.

From what I have read, Dr. C seems to be the popular choice for Girth via PMMA injection. The general consensus is that the result is positive and the Girth gain seems to be permanent even after 2 years. I also read that some folks would perform manual PE routines like Jelqing and stretching AFTER the injection to try to grow length (Miracle8x7, for example).

To give you a bit of background, I had done manual PE routines, Hanging, ADS and pumping over the course of 4 years span with ZERO result. All I got was extra Foreskin. As a result of my frustration of neither length or Girth gain, I am seeking alternative ways like Phalloplasty.

I am a Grower and turtles a lot throughout the day. I suspect this is one of my roadblocks to my PE gains when I was doing manual stuff, etc. From what I have seen, most guys who have gone through PMMA injection seem to have much longer Flaccid penis. I suspect it is due to the thickness of the PMMA preventing the penis from bad Turtling?

So here is my series of questions (hope to hear vet\'s wisdom):

1) Should I get my PMMA injection first, and then try Hanging/ADS routine to try to gain some length?

2) If yes, would my upper shaft look awkward due to the Hanger/ADS attachment/chamber (silicon sleeves most likely) constantly pressing on that area?

3) Does having PMMA make manual PE, or Hanging/ADS, even MORE difficult to gain since the shaft is toughen by the injections?

4) Has anyone had PMMA injection from Dr. C for more than 4 years and still retain the size?
*I read that lost of size is inevitable months following a treatment. But I am not sure if the loss of size is a continued trend unless periodic injections are required to maintain your size goal.

5) I also read that Botox could be used to relax Flaccid penis for post-op. Only 70% of people would respond to Botox. Has any recent patient of Dr. C choose to have Boxtox prior to PMMA injections?
*I am worried about my easily turtled penis causing odd shape after the injection.



On one hand, I want to resume my traditional PE routines like Hanging and Jelqing; on the other hand, I feel like I am just wasting my time since I have not gained anything in 4 years. Then I am worried that having a thicker penis using PMMA will make any further length gain \"impossible\". Or the shaft will have dents from the my hand gripping the upper shaft area just below glans.

I really hope to hear from someone who has gone through PMMA and have made further length gain with Hanging and ADS (or manual stretching). And I would love to know what the Flaccid state is like after having PMMA injections. It just seems to me that most guys have much larger/longer Flaccid penis length after the injections. I could be wrong.. but many of the photos I have seen seem to point that direction.


Thank you!!!

Hello wkubA number of newcomers to this forum gets a first impression that there is a general positive consensus on PMMA among its members. I disagree. For one thing, I surely don\'t have an enthusiastic opinion on the procedure. More importantly, it is unfortunately only natural that most people would focus on the threads reporting successful stories. There are others. They report bad outcomes (please, look for them in this very forum). And perhaps there could be even more poor outcomes not reported at all to this forum.With regards to one of your questions: many veterans will agree that, assuming you have tossed the coin and made your mind to go to Tijuana, a stretching regimen (six months?) before the procedure would not hurt.

Supa,

If you disagree that PMMA from Dr C is currently the best option, what other procedure do you feel is better?

Thanks!

Dear wkubAt the current medical/scientific historical stage I don\'t like any procedures (either surgery or bioplasty). They are all primitive/experimental: we are still in the Jurassic epoch of Phalloplasty. If driven by vanity a man should refrain from choosing any procedure available today.With regards to Girth, risk/reward wise a man should contemplate a procedure if he has been dealt less than 4 inches Erect Girth, in my opinion. In such case, the least worst he can do is probably getting PMMA in Tijuana.There are serious issues with Tijuana though: ignoring long-term risks, i.e. emergence of late onset granulomas (I tend to be less concerned about them these days), results are not consistent.In addition, I personally don\'t like the sloppiness in the administration protocol which has been reported by a number of forum members; by means of an example, if you go to the dentist, you are shown sealed instruments before he operates on you (if you are not, take the door and quickly leave). He will then break the seal in front of you. If I were to be treated by Dr. C I would want to see official sealed vials with PMMA of my choosing, as opposed to loaded syringes, on the table. But that is just me.

I\'ve had two rounds of PMMA for Girth. I started at about 4.5 EG, and now at 6.0 to 6.25 EG. 30% both times, 18cc in round one, 12cc in round two. Dr. C did a nice job of tapering to the glans so it doesn\'t dwarf the glans. I\'d do it over again.

I\'m Hanging now, trying to increase EL, about 2 hours a day. Waiting on concrete results from Penith procedure, or other length options.

If I did things over again, I\'d hang for a year, then look into PMMA for Girth. I wouldn\'t buy any pumps or extenders. But instead use an ESL 40 ADS during the day between Hanging, and maybe a silicone sleeve at night.

wkub wrote: From what I have read, Dr. C seems to be the popular choice for Girth via PMMA injection. The general consensus is that the result is positive and the Girth gain seems to be permanent even after 2 years. I also read that some folks would perform manual PE routines like Jelqing and stretching AFTER the injection to try to grow length (Miracle8x7, for example).

This is SO untrue. If I was you I\'d do more research. Unless your just seeing what you want to see. PMMA had a lot of complications just in 2015 alone. Look up restorations post. He was a bit more vocal on his results and aftercare in which he had to get additional surgeries due to complications. Their are others but he\'s first to stick out in my head at the moment.

Jewdub is another one...but he also went to dr. cho. I originally had the same issue as Jon Thomas with the under-shaft PMMA lump...but all of that was cut out in one of my surgeries.

My major problems were somewhat caused by USA docs. My Dermatologist said there\'s no issue removing a pea sized lump of PMMA and closing the wound. Yet, it NEVER closed...so I had to get surgery by a Urologist to do very advanced buried and surface closure in a full OR (not an office like a derm). Then I got a simple punch excision of another bit of PMMA which again never closed and I had to get another full surgery closing that wound (today, actually). None of this has to do with Dr. C other than the cause was from the Linnea Safe in R3. I have no idea why it happened to me. I have no idea why I got peyronie\'s at such a young age either. I am an outlier in every way when it comes to my Dick.

Today, my doctor measured my shaft 1.5 cm shorter than it has typically been when he has measured it in the past. He thinks the \"collagen\" (aka scar tissue) from the PMMA has contracted and shortened my penis...especially since I couldn\'t use an extender for the last 6 months with all the wounds. So, size loss with PMMA (which is in dozens of posts) is real. You need to keep up with an extender before and after...or you can lose length... though, it can come back. In the Erect state, i do not think I really lost length...so maybe stretched Flaccid length isn\'t that accurate.

My disastrous journey has largely been due to USA docs, which is ironic given everyone\'s fears of Tijuana doctors... yeah it started in TJ but if my USA derm closed the Nodule wounds right, that would have been the end. And, if the \"wound care specialist\" didn\'t burn my penis and Balls with silver nitrate - it would have closed.

1) Should I get my PMMA injection first, and then try Hanging/ADS routine to try to gain some length?

Doesn\'t really matter... people have gained before and after. Stretch after or you could lose some size.

2) If yes, would my upper shaft look awkward due to the Hanger/ADS attachment/chamber (silicon sleeves most likely) constantly pressing on that area?

Don\'t use it right away...or use a noose stretcher... I used it every day for 6 weeks after R1 and R2 - no dent. It pulled up on the glans.

3) Does having PMMA make manual PE, or Hanging/ADS, even MORE difficult to gain since the shaft is toughen by the injections?

In MY opinion, yes. But..that\'s just me. You\'re stretching all that thick scar tissue around the PMMA beads...not as easy as just natural penis... BUT that doesn\'t mean guys can\'t gain. Guys here have.

4) Has anyone had PMMA injection from Dr. C for more than 4 years and still retain the size?

Yeah.

5) I also read that Botox could be used to relax Flaccid penis for post-op. Only 70% of people would respond to Botox. Has any recent patient of Dr. C choose to have Boxtox prior to PMMA injections?

Botox takes up to a week to kick in. Nobody is doing botox in TJ. To my knowledge, nobody has done it on the board. If you turtle, then you need to keep the stretcher on. Google ESL 40 - that\'s the stretcher you will need.

Restoration, Dr. C is doing Botox for scrotal relaxation. I had it done twice. Lowers my Balls about an Inch. But it only lasts for about 4 months.

Oh I didn\'t see that. I thought I read a post where they said they decided not to botox anyone at avanti. Anyway, was there an actual change to your Flaccid hang? Where does the botox go?

I cannot believe we went in days apart...at similar starting sizes - and you have 6-6.25 eg (From 2 rounds), and I have had 3 rounds, only 5-5.25 eg, and 2 inches of skin cut off thanks to nodules. The inconsistency of this stuff is unreal.

Restoration wrote: Oh I didn\'t see that. I thought I read a post where they said they decided not to botox anyone at avanti. Anyway, was there an actual change to your Flaccid hang? Where does the botox go?

I cannot believe we went in days apart...at similar starting sizes - and you have 6-6.25 eg (From 2 rounds), and I have had 3 rounds, only 5-5.25 eg, and 2 inches of skin cut off thanks to nodules. The inconsistency of this stuff is unreal.

Damn bro, that\'s the reason why I dont think I\'ll go in for a touch up. I can live with my results.