TOPIC: PMMA 2nd round and some questions (use of ibuprofen and Human Growth Horomne)

Hi everyone,

I had my second round of PMMA with Dr C last week about 10 months after the first round. It addressed multiple aesthetic issues I had after the first round as well as my goal to gain more Girth. After the first round I gained over an Inch (30% about 22 CC if I recall), this time Dr C told me to expect less (probably 1/2\") because there was a lot of Necrosis after the first round. I also recall quite a bit of pain after my first round from swelling so I asked if I could take ibuprofen and probably misunderstood taking one dose to starting to take it on a regular basis (took it for 4 days from day zero to day 4 twice a day). 4 days on, ibuprofen brought all of the swelling down (you really can barely tell anything had been done) and after this discussing with Dr C, I understood that they want to encourage swelling for more collagen growth later on and therefore don\'t encourage too much ibuprofen. They also said that human growth hormone may support more collagen growth if I decide to use it but that they can not endorse the use of it.

My questions to whoever has experience with this are:

1. Would taking ibuprofen right after the procedure for 4 days and totally \'killing\' the swelling likely be a major factor in terms of how much I gained? Has anyone taken this kind of approach or avoided it in order to maintain swelling and better growth later on? I would be curious to hear opinions and results.

2. What about Human Growth Hormone - I\'ve seen here and there reference to it, I know it encourages the growth of collagen in the body but I am not sure if it is not more an overall generation of collagen and how relevant it is with the PMMA material already inside. Any experience there, and if so what is the recommended dosage and for how long?

3. Could the use of ibuprofen right after my first round (probably 2 days after and not as much as this time) have disturbed the healing and generated more Necrosis than if I allowed it to heal on its own the first time? The reason I am asking this is that I probably have already too much there to risk a third round that would go beyond touch ups (and I want Girth) and because with previous surgeries I had, I recall being told to stay off the stuff for the first two weeks for healthy scarring to develop.

Thanks a lot and I would more than appreciate your takes on these questions.

I took a lot of ibuprofen the first week... gains are still 1/2\" at 1 month post 10% 27cc. I think it helped get rid of some unevenness bc of the swelling...so PMMA wouldn\'t settle in badly into swollen pockets. Not sure about HGH. I do know that they have seen a trend where younger patients gain more Girth - but that doesn\'t seem to be an issue w/ you. HGH is another thing that effectively makes you \"younger\" internally, sorta.

I\'m not sure if \"Necrosis\" is the right word here... that means dead skin tissue and wouldbe a very bad / dangerous thing to see on your penis (or inside of it) - so perhaps you can clear that up term, and I\'ll try to answer.

Other surgeries tell you to stay off advil bc it can thin the blood and cause greater swelling or bleeding post op. It doesn\'t affect scarring or what happens in the PMMA procedure. [edit: i think i am wrong about this...since it dulls the inflammatory response which leads to the collagen/scar formation - but not sure ] There\'s minimal bleeding. Also, advil (or aspirin)\'s effect on the body isn\'t that strong - it\'s not heparin. Docs just like to be careful.

I thought I already posted a response, I guess it didn\'t go through... Anyway one of the reasons I ended up taking ibuprofen for 3 days was exactly what you mentioned. I feel that rubbing is meaningless when it is all swollen and at the same time material is extremely mobile. I was hoping that less fluids meant more stability but dr later did tell me he thought the inflammatory response is important but that it would not be critical.

I they spoke of Necrosis but what they meant to say I guess was a lot of scaring from round one (perhaps also related to ibuprofen fast..) which would make my gains this time more humble likely.

I an now stretching using the device I got from wade last time (10 months ago) and the rubber tube on top and over this time lost over 1/2\" length (before the 2nd procedure). I hate stretching but I do it now 24/7 anyway I wonder if I can combine more \'intense\' methods such as weights or other devices (what is the most effective these days?) to get also a lengthening effect? I am one week post op and wonder if that sort of stretching is permitted or whether I can not yet combine stretching for length.
Thanks!!

candybars wrote: Hi everyone,

I had my second round of PMMA with Dr C last week about 10 months after the first round. It addressed multiple aesthetic issues I had after the first round as well as my goal to gain more Girth. After the first round I gained over an Inch (30% about 22 CC if I recall), this time Dr C told me to expect less (probably 1/2\") because there was a lot of Necrosis after the first round. I also recall quite a bit of pain after my first round from swelling so I asked if I could take ibuprofen and probably misunderstood taking one dose to starting to take it on a regular basis (took it for 4 days from day zero to day 4 twice a day). 4 days on, ibuprofen brought all of the swelling down (you really can barely tell anything had been done) and after this discussing with Dr C, I understood that they want to encourage swelling for more collagen growth later on and therefore don\'t encourage too much ibuprofen. They also said that human growth hormone may support more collagen growth if I decide to use it but that they can not endorse the use of it.

My questions to whoever has experience with this are:

1. Would taking ibuprofen right after the procedure for 4 days and totally \'killing\' the swelling likely be a major factor in terms of how much I gained? Has anyone taken this kind of approach or avoided it in order to maintain swelling and better growth later on? I would be curious to hear opinions and results.

2. What about Human Growth Hormone - I\'ve seen here and there reference to it, I know it encourages the growth of collagen in the body but I am not sure if it is not more an overall generation of collagen and how relevant it is with the PMMA material already inside. Any experience there, and if so what is the recommended dosage and for how long?

3. Could the use of ibuprofen right after my first round (probably 2 days after and not as much as this time) have disturbed the healing and generated more Necrosis than if I allowed it to heal on its own the first time? The reason I am asking this is that I probably have already too much there to risk a third round that would go beyond touch ups (and I want Girth) and because with previous surgeries I had, I recall being told to stay off the stuff for the first two weeks for healthy scarring to develop.

Thanks a lot and I would more than appreciate your takes on these questions.

This is exactly what happened to me. The first time around I got 27cc 30 and 10. I used the stretcher and roller combo. No meds for swelling. Gained an Inch or just under up and down the shaft. Smooth outcome just one or two little lumps. Really no big deal at all.

2nd time around 22 or 23cc 30 and 10. Silicone sleeve and ib for 3 days. Virtually no swelling!!!

But now my Dick has lumps and the final gains 7 months out from round 2 are only a 1/4 Inch more then before. For a total of about 1.25 Inch gain of two rounds.

Still a bigger thicker Dick great sex and I would do it again in a heartbeat. But this is what I would do differently and this is what I will do in round 3.

I feel 30 10 or if you opt for 10% all the way through is good either way. It\'s the post opp that\'s important here for the best outcome.

Forget the silicone sleeve and for the love of god forget the IB!!!!! Swelling is good, blood promotes solid healing. Use the stretching device, but only stretch enough to keep your Dick extended!!! Not try to pull your Dick out of your stomach! Use the rubber roller! Lightly roll your Dick! Up Up down down left right light right top and bottom. Lay that fatty on the (clean) counter top or sink put some of that gel they give you on the roller and roll out the lumps nice and smooth. Day 8/11 swelling should be gone Dick should be smooth and pussy should be tight. Done deal. You will loose a little volume over the next few months.... No big deal. Your Dick will still be big!


So important advice I could stress. No. Ibuprofen!!! Use stretcher to \"extend\" Dick! Roll with rubber roller (lightly) on a firm surface! Make sure all handling is clean! Oozing isn\'t bad!!!! Do this for 4/7 days minimum. Just keep doing it for a couple weeks. It\'s your Dick! Don\'t be lazy and then come here bitching.... Right?!?

Stay away from anti-inflammatory use. I\'ve had 4 rounds. Two with and two without anti-inflammatory use. Round 1 and 2 I had good gains. Didn\'t use any anti-inflammatories. Round 3 they gave Prednisone to use for a week. Virtually no gains round 3. Went back for round 4 using ibprohen for 4-5 days post procedure. Round 4 virtually no gains either. Couldn\'t figure out why didn\'t have gains until recently I was coming to suspect the anti-inflammatory was the culprit. The swelling likes helps in the collagen process.

Interesting to note about HGH. May have to start using that prior to round 5

I think you might be on to something with this... and my post above was wrong. I took too much advil and only got around 0.3 with 27ccs of 10. Also, the theoretical evidence is there for not using anti-inflammatories (though some guys gained with it, I think). The only thing I wonder about is if it will get more out of control & harder to massage if you let it swell without any anti-inflammatory.

I didn\'t entirely realize that the body is undergoing wound healing and effectively creating fibrotic / scar tissue in there. It\'s not creating the \"collagen\" that we see on moisturizer advertisements when the skin just plumps up after retinol is used for 3 months. So, I think in my head - i was thinking - I should do what all the people who are obsessed with collagen (in the skin) do - omega 3 fats, collagen pills, biotin pills, etc... none of that mattered (or should matter - even theoretically - in wound healing). Also, doctors in this area (Perricone and others like him) are very focused on preventing inflammation (which leads to wrinkles and SKIN collagen loss... but it\'s not the same as the collagen created during this process). I wish someone knew the real molecular biology behind the PMMA response...bc then we\'d have a better idea. I have some insight into it now (at least, better than before)... but not sufficient to know what supplements to take.

This might sounds nuts - but I wonder if pro-inflammatory things would HELP growth...there are plenty of foods (and even behaviors - like sun tanning - anywhere - not the penis) that raise cytokines and contribute to the inflammatory response... though whether or not that will contribute to long term growth is hard to say. Might contribute to short term inflammation only. Even salt will do that... but it\'s useless in the scar/collagen creation process.

Interesting idea. Wish I could help but I don\'t know the biology either.